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More ineptitude from the inept - 10/1/2014 11:40:58 AM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/21/politics/perry-national-guard-border/

He sends thousands to guard the porous border with his red welfare state money that was taken from us......the producers.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-ebola-patient-exposed-school-age-children-governor/story?id=25885934

Another fuckin simpleton who won't be running our country.

OOOPS, your bad, nutsucker. Ineptitude of the decade, at least.





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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/1/2014 4:12:38 PM   
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Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/1/2014 4:34:47 PM   
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Sounds to me that the United States is being blackmailed and we only now beginning to realize it. The surge may have been orchestrated by a country such as Russia. The obvious threat being if you get in our way it won't just be kids, it will be kids infected with the bola virus and it can all be blamed on the terrorists.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/1/2014 5:08:20 PM   
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Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.


They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/1/2014 5:49:29 PM   
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Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.


They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.
Source for those percentages, Joe?

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/1/2014 8:51:09 PM   
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Yeah! Are you actually claiming that conservative media gives a whopping 10% of honest-to-goodness facts? I'll need to see your papers, please.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/2/2014 6:22:53 AM   
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Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.


They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.
Source for those percentages, Joe?




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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/2/2014 6:25:28 AM   
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Yeah! Are you actually claiming that conservative media gives a whopping 10% of honest-to-goodness facts? I'll need to see your papers, please.




He didn't claim anything you moron. He asked for the source to Joe's bullshit post. One fucking sentence in the post and you still read it wrong.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/2/2014 2:01:19 PM   
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Speaking of morons... I was rejoining CreativeDom's comment addressed to Joether - sort of a crowd response, you might think? Also I didn't resort to childish name-calling. Liberal of me, I know.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/2/2014 8:39:52 PM   
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Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.


They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.


Except that they sent the Ebola patient home.

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704

And really, cleaning up Ebola with a pressure washer? And no protective gear. And a woman in sandals next to the run-off? You DO know how Ebola is spread, right?

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/2/2014 9:27:15 PM   
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conservative media... 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information).

Are you going to back up those numbers, or are you just making shit up again?

K.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/2/2014 9:40:58 PM   
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conservative media... 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information).

Are you going to back up those numbers, or are you just making shit up again?

K.

you know, Kirata...I asked him the same thing above. Oddly enough, he has yet to cite the source of those numbers.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 3:57:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.

They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.
Source for those percentages, Joe?


I was curious if someone would call me on it

One that has graphs of the actual source information.

The second source comes from a news publication. I'm honestly not sure if the site is a good source of information. It gives an opinion base upon its views on events. I'm sure I could find other news outlets that give different numbers. So, for purposes of 'answering the question', this second sources shows FOX News lies the most often. FOX News doesn't report accurate (read: lies often) on matters of scientific study/research. Granted, Another Study, showed FOX News viewers were the least informed of all the news outlets.

As much as you might like to hate on 'Media Matters', they do seem to do a decent job in researching the information to explain how FOX News got the information wrong. That there are thousands of not a few tens of thousands of pieces should show the casual observe that FOX News is not known for being 'fair and honest' towards its viewers. That being the GOP/TP mouthpiece is not a good thing for a society like ours.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 4:10:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.


They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.

Except that they sent the Ebola patient home.


The doctors made a critical failure in handling the issue. That information was either not given or known to arrive at a better outcome. You might find this hard to believe, but information on each patient is given over to the regional hospitals in America. And that information is handed to the CDC for analysis. There is a whole logistics system in place that is fairly complex to explain here in exact terms. The basics is to prevent such deadly outbreaks in the country. And there are quite a few talented individuals that work hard to keep the American public safe.

Even before the story broke the news, the US Government was already in the process of tracking down all the possible individuals and evaluate their health condition. You never seem to give the US Government much credit when it does a good job.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
And really, cleaning up Ebola with a pressure washer? And no protective gear. And a woman in sandals next to the run-off? You DO know how Ebola is spread, right?


Took me all of 5 seconds to find. Come on, even 2nd graders come up with tougher questions than you do....

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 4:10:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
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ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.

They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.
Source for those percentages, Joe?


I was curious if someone would call me on it

One that has graphs of the actual source information.

The second source comes from a news publication. I'm honestly not sure if the site is a good source of information. It gives an opinion base upon its views on events. I'm sure I could find other news outlets that give different numbers. So, for purposes of 'answering the question', this second sources shows FOX News lies the most often. FOX News doesn't report accurate (read: lies often) on matters of scientific study/research. Granted, Another Study, showed FOX News viewers were the least informed of all the news outlets.

As much as you might like to hate on 'Media Matters', they do seem to do a decent job in researching the information to explain how FOX News got the information wrong. That there are thousands of not a few tens of thousands of pieces should show the casual observe that FOX News is not known for being 'fair and honest' towards its viewers. That being the GOP/TP mouthpiece is not a good thing for a society like ours.



I looked at both links and while they both claimed fox was mostly false, false or pants on fire 60% of the time. Your claim was they were based on fear 40%, false 50% and actually factual only 10% so sorry but they don't back up shit. But it was a good try.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 4:22:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
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ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.

They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.
Source for those percentages, Joe?

I was curious if someone would call me on it

One that has graphs of the actual source information.

The second source comes from a news publication. I'm honestly not sure if the site is a good source of information. It gives an opinion base upon its views on events. I'm sure I could find other news outlets that give different numbers. So, for purposes of 'answering the question', this second sources shows FOX News lies the most often. FOX News doesn't report accurate (read: lies often) on matters of scientific study/research. Granted, Another Study, showed FOX News viewers were the least informed of all the news outlets.

As much as you might like to hate on 'Media Matters', they do seem to do a decent job in researching the information to explain how FOX News got the information wrong. That there are thousands of not a few tens of thousands of pieces should show the casual observe that FOX News is not known for being 'fair and honest' towards its viewers. That being the GOP/TP mouthpiece is not a good thing for a society like ours.

I looked at both links and while they both claimed fox was mostly false, false or pants on fire 60% of the time. Your claim was they were based on fear 40%, false 50% and actually factual only 10% so sorry but they don't back up shit. But it was a good try.


Lets say someone found the cure for cancer. Did the honest research and study to find (for the sake of the argument, the best possible outcome): a vaccine. Its easy to give, and neutralizes cancer problems 90% of the time. Do they give to humans immediately? No, they and others test and retest and test fifty more times, to make sure the numbers and results are still coming up in a consistent basis. Not only that, but how that vaccine would behave with other drugs in the human body. Since some people are not suffering from just cancer alone. And that takes a fair amount of testing as well. By the time its allowed for human consumption, people would have a fairly good idea on the effects and side effects of the drug.

It seems most of the studies based around 'which news station tells the truth and is honest when wrong' never has FOX News in 1st place. Most of them seem to place that organization at the near bottom or last place. The evidence speaks for itself if one is being honest and objective. Can you be honest and objective, looking at the evidence and arriving at the same or similar conclusion? And if you don't arrive at the same or similar conclusion, why not?

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 8:58:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine if we had one of those 'limited government' concepts in place. Before the first patient with this horrible illness was diagnosis, thousands if not tens of thousands could have been infected. But thanks to big government, we had the tools, systems, and people in place to keep the population safe from this threat. That is something always absent from 'limited government' literature of their advocates: handling disasters.

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From: DaNewAgeViking
Something that'll really stroke the Radicals paranoia wand is the thought of how easy it would be for Islamic terrorists to send infected individuals over here to simply wander around spreading ebola at random. I'm surprised this isn't already a 'campaign issue'.


They would have their fears stroked....anyways....by conservative media. And we know this since 40% of their reporting is fear based on a wide variety of topics (another 50% are lies and 10% are actual facts/information). The reality is, the US Military, the CDC, FBI and many other organizations have thought on this stuff in the past and placed people, equipment, and processes in place to mitigate the chances it could be successful. While it can happen, it wont happen to quite the level conservative media will paint to its audience over the next few weeks/months/years.

Except that they sent the Ebola patient home.


The doctors made a critical failure in handling the issue. That information was either not given or known to arrive at a better outcome. You might find this hard to believe, but information on each patient is given over to the regional hospitals in America. And that information is handed to the CDC for analysis. There is a whole logistics system in place that is fairly complex to explain here in exact terms. The basics is to prevent such deadly outbreaks in the country. And there are quite a few talented individuals that work hard to keep the American public safe.

Even before the story broke the news, the US Government was already in the process of tracking down all the possible individuals and evaluate their health condition. You never seem to give the US Government much credit when it does a good job.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
And really, cleaning up Ebola with a pressure washer? And no protective gear. And a woman in sandals next to the run-off? You DO know how Ebola is spread, right?


Took me all of 5 seconds to find. Come on, even 2nd graders come up with tougher questions than you do....



So. . . we didn't really keep everyone safe from the threat of Ebola, then.

So. . . you think that the pressure washer is a good idea for cleaning up Ebola vomit? With no protective gear. And a woman in sandals next to the run-off? And quarantining 4 people in the apartment with Ebola contacted linens?

Yeah. . . we are in the best of Big Government hands.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 10:01:23 AM   
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A dallas nurse and doc didnt exchange info...texas with no expanded medicaid.... wanted to get rid of him (what a surprise)


Hospital officials have acknowledged that Duncan's travel history wasn't "fully communicated" to doctors when he first came to the hospital on September 26, but also said in a statement Wednesday that based on his symptoms, there was no reason to admit him at that time.
"The patient presented with low-grade fever and abdominal pain. His condition did not warrant admission. He also was not exhibiting symptoms specific to Ebola," Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas said.
"A travel history was taken, but it wasn't communicated to the people who were making the decision. ... It was a mistake. They dropped the ball," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
In its early stages, Ebola looks just like a lot of other illnesses. But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been emphasizing the need to ask all patients with these symptoms for a travel history.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/health/ebola-us/

This
Towels and sweat-ridden bedclothes remained for two days in the Dallas apartment where an undiagnosed Ebola sufferer – Liberian citizen Thomas Eric Duncan – was staying because health officials in Texas struggled to find a waste management company willing to accept them.
Earlier, a representative of one of the agencies who issued the control order said that arranging clean bedding was the responsibility of the family – despite the ban on them leaving their home. “The individuals, it’s up to them … to care for the household,” Erikka Neroes of Dallas County health and human services told the Guardian. “Our science tells us, according to CDC, that Ebola virus germs can be killed with soap and water … Dallas County has not been involved in a disinfection process.”
A company with experience of dealing with medical waste was finally due to clean the apartment on Thursday afternoon, but only after the patient’s girlfriend told CNN that the materials had not been disposed of.

At about 7pm local time – four days after Duncan was placed in isolation in hospital – two pickup trucks and a van, all belonging to a local commercial hazardous materials cleanup company, arrived at the complex. “We’re going in there but we can’t comment on it,” one man said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/02/ebola-patients-waste-remained-texas-apartment-two-days

Doesnt sound like big government had anything to do with it originally due to the original clusterfuck at the hospital. CDC dont usually send in guys with no protection.

Sounds to me like they(countries) need to start to quarantine anyone who is travelling out of africa ASAP.
At least until they can be tested.


I agree about the mutation possibility too Aylee, At the time I posted that, it wasnt questioned.


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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 10:09:31 AM   
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And really, cleaning up Ebola with a pressure washer? And no protective gear. And a woman in sandals next to the run-off? You DO know how Ebola is spread, right?

It is obvious that you do not.

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RE: More ineptitude from the inept - 10/3/2014 10:24:07 AM   
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I looked at both links and while they both claimed fox was mostly false, false or pants on fire 60% of the time. Your claim was they were based on fear 40%, false 50% and actually factual only 10% so sorry but they don't back up shit. But it was a good try.

More interesting perhaps is that none of the networks rated scored higher than 8% on telling the uncompromised truth.

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