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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 12:24:04 PM

freedomdwarf1

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Of course I should be penalized because someone else breaks the law.

How so??
You don't have to have a gun you know!
There are plenty of alternatives.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I should be penalized because the laws that would stop much of this are not effectively enforced.

Again... how so?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I should carry my sword around because it is so much better to chop someones head off than to scare them away.

They would see the sword and that should be quite a deterrent.
But just because you have one doesn't mean you would behead people at every turn.
This just shows your idiotic way of thinking.
What a moronic response.

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I should be penalized because I don't want big brother to take care of everything for me.

We don't have Big Brother - only in a TV show!

Your police take care of your safety - which they seem to fail miserably at.
Your doctors and hospitals take care of your ailments - at a huge cost I might add.
Your military takes care of your country.
If you are that concerned with 'Big Brother', why not train yourself in all these things and do it yourself instead of relying on others to do it for you??
No, you don't jive with any notion of restricting your use of guns.

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It doesn't matter that I carry responsibly because some one some where may not...

Your antagonistic outlook makes you a dangerous person to own and carry a gun.
Your 'attack first' and confrontational attitude means you do not carry responsibly either.
You are a delusional gun nut.
I wouldn't trust you with a crayon, let alone a gun!!

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 12:25:20 PM

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It is certainly better to avoid harm with a gun than to injure someone with another weapon. It seems like a rather stupid question to me. For example, if I had a lump of wood and made it clear that I was willing to use it, that could very well result in no harm being done.

It is definitely far far better to avoid harm using a piece of wood than using a gun.

Not surprisingly, you're not thinking it through. For example there is data that suggests that carrying a weapon actually places you at a higher statistical risk of being killed. See...

(http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html#.VDBGaoFwbqA)

You're also discounting the fact that there are people who are even stupider than you who carry guns, these people represent a danger to the public.

That said, there are plenty of people smarter than you carrying guns, the recent thread discussing the woman who avoided being mugged by drawing her gun is an example of concealed carry working out very well. (As I said on the thread at the time)

This is a complex topic, that cannot be addressed using simplistic arguments or standpoints. Not your cup of tea really

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 12:44:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

It is certainly better to avoid harm with a gun than to injure someone with another weapon. It seems like a rather stupid question to me. For example, if I had a lump of wood and made it clear that I was willing to use it, that could very well result in no harm being done.

It is definitely far far better to avoid harm using a piece of wood than using a gun.

Not surprisingly, you're not thinking it through. For example there is data that suggests that carrying a weapon actually places you at a higher statistical risk of being killed. See...

(http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html#.VDBGaoFwbqA)

You're also discounting the fact that there are people who are even stupider than you who carry guns, these people represent a danger to the public.

That said, there are plenty of people smarter than you carrying guns, the recent thread discussing the woman who avoided being mugged by drawing her gun is an example of concealed carry working out very well. (As I said on the thread at the time)

This is a complex topic, that cannot be addressed using simplistic arguments or standpoints. Not your cup of tea really

Actually I use it the same way she did. And most people are not nearly as smart as I am.
You don't seem to comprehend that I have never had to shoot anyone. If your view of me was even remotely accurate that would not be the case. It has consistently worked out for me the same way it worked for her. The fact that you insist on seeing it differently does not make it so. Threatening to use a weapon is next to the last resort, using it is the final option. The lump of coal idea is fine, if it works. If they didn't think they could take you if you had a lump of coal they wouldn't come after you in the first place. I am in favor of anything that works. If you and FD can scare off potential assailants with a broomstick great. The crack heads that live near me won't respect anything so benign. A makeshift weapon tells them that you will try to fight back but that you are not prepared to.
Clearly you have a much nicer class of criminals than we do. Again everything you seem to assume about me is wrong.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 12:59:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Actually I use it the same way she did.

No, actually, from what you have posted, you don't.
You take an attack stance at the slightest provocation.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And most people are not nearly as smart as I am.

Really???
You don't show any smarts on here.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You don't seem to comprehend that I have never had to shoot anyone.

Nobody has claimed that you have... so, irrelevant comment.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The fact that you insist on seeing it differently does not make it so.

You are entrenched in gun ownership and won't entertain any other option.
We see the sense, you refuse to even acknowledge it.
Big difference.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Threatening to use a weapon is next to the last resort, using it is the final option.

So why, in all your expamples you've posted, you make the first move and threaten??
Your actions belie your words.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The lump of coal idea is fine, if it works.

Who said anything about a lump of coal???

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I am in favor of anything that works.

No you aren't. It's guns first and foremost.
To you, nothing else works.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The crack heads that live near me won't respect anything so benign.

I have crack heads living less than 500 yards from me - a whole fucking street full of drunken kossovan nutters.
I can assure you that walking down there with my 2x4 with nails seems to keep them at arms length - drunk, stoned, or sober.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
A makeshift weapon tells them that you will try to fight back but that you are not prepared to.

Bollocks!!
Stupid assumptions that will get you killed.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Clearly you have a much nicer class of criminals than we do. Again everything you seem to assume about me is wrong.

Nope.
Everything you post seems to be a fucked-up gundiot PoV with a redneck attitude.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 1:05:00 PM

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And yet every time you post your nonsense you confirm my assumptions about you.

Idiot.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 1:39:39 PM

BamaD

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So why, in all your expamples you've posted, you make the first move and threaten??
Your actions belie your words.

Because you haven't understood anything I have ever posted.
I gave the ending, not always the whole story.
Each time I have tried talking I have told you about the times were that didn't work.
I told you about the occasion when the guy tried to sneak up on me and used my talking to him to work in closer to me. I let him get to 4 ft before doing anything and all I did was put my hand on the gun.
That is all I have needed with one exception. That was just that the guy was stupid. My gun kept him from running right into the jaws of my dog, keeping him from injury. It gave me time to talk to him.
My actions conform to my words, you are just so blind in your hatred of firearms that you refuse to see it.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 1:41:01 PM

BamaD

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I have crack heads living less than 500 yards from me - a whole fucking street full of drunken kossovan nutters.
I can assure you that walking down there with my 2x4 with nails seems to keep them at arms length - drunk, stoned, or sober.

That sounds like you are the one who goes looking for trouble.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 1:44:16 PM

BamaD

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No you aren't. It's guns first and foremost.
To you, nothing else works.

Again BS you haven't been paying attention, hate will do that

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 1:45:31 PM

BamaD

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Nobody has claimed that you have... so, irrelevant comment.

More BS if I was the person you try to make me out to be I would have.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 1:47:05 PM

BamaD

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Nope.
Everything you post seems to be a fucked-up gundiot PoV with a redneck attitude.

Everything you post seems to be from a gun hating moron

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 2:50:55 PM

BamaD

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FR

A year ago I finally got Pizza Hut to deliver here.
To do so I had to promise to provide security for them.
The reason was that one of their drivers was, within a block of my house, attacked by 6 guys with baseball bats.
They stole his change money, his wallet, and his car.
They put him in the hospital.
What good would a 2x4 do against six guys with ball bats?
You prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 2:56:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

A year ago I finally got Pizza Hut to deliver here.
To do so I had to promise to provide security for them.
The reason was that one of their drivers was, within a block of my house, attacked by 6 guys with baseball bats.
They stole his change money, his wallet, and his car.
They put him in the hospital.
What good would a 2x4 do against six guys with ball bats?
You prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

You know I'm quite familiar with Montgomery. Are you sure you live in Montgomery Alabama? The place you describe sounds more like a war zone.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 3:08:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

A year ago I finally got Pizza Hut to deliver here.
To do so I had to promise to provide security for them.
The reason was that one of their drivers was, within a block of my house, attacked by 6 guys with baseball bats.
They stole his change money, his wallet, and his car.
They put him in the hospital.
What good would a 2x4 do against six guys with ball bats?
You prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

You know I'm quite familiar with Montgomery. Are you sure you live in Montgomery Alabama? The place you describe sounds more like a war zone.

No I live in Millbrook.
The neighborhood went to hell after I moved in here. I have been told that the cops are hesitant to go south of my house. If you are that familiar with Montgomery I live next to Trenholm court lite.
And yes there was a period when a night without sirens meant I had gone deaf.
I hear gunfire from that area two or three times a month, mostly .22 autos.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 4:14:33 PM

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The neighborhood went to hell after I moved in here.

You should have phrased that differently. Just saying.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 4:21:20 PM

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The neighborhood went to hell after I moved in here.

You should have phrased that differently. Just saying.

A few years after I moved here. That was to make clear that I didn't knowingly move into a neighborhood like this. Of course from their attitudes I am sure that FD and CM will find a way to pretend that it is because I moved here. But then I would like to know why FD lives in a neighborhood with crackheads.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 4:23:59 PM

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But then I would like to know why FD lives in a neighborhood with crackheads.

Because they moved in with the latest influx of EU migrants about 3 years ago.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 4:42:52 PM

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But then I would like to know why FD lives in a neighborhood with crackheads.

Because they moved in with the latest influx of EU migrants about 3 years ago.

Same thing that happened to me except that ours were homegrown.
The owner of the house diagonal from me turned it into gangbanger wannabe HQ, it was like he wouldn't rent to anyone without a criminal record, cops were over there a couple times a week.
New owner, better renters, as of this month. The good guys are starting to win.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 10/4/2014 4:45:51 PM >

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 6:10:53 PM

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FR, Better? Course not. That's why people prefer guns. Here are the reasons and why there should be restrictions.
a- it's easy, even a kindergartener can use it (and has).
b- even without initial intent to kill,guns are a very detached way to harm/hurt someone. Not as messy as the alternatives and you can get your target at a distance.
c- to follow up with b, most alternatives would likely require closer range and increased hesitation.
d- do we really need more crazy stupid people with guns?

That is all.

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 7:14:15 PM

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FR, Better? Course not. That's why people prefer guns. Here are the reasons and why there should be restrictions.
a- it's easy, even a kindergartener can use it (and has).
b- even without initial intent to kill,guns are a very detached way to harm/hurt someone. Not as messy as the alternatives and you can get your target at a distance.
c- to follow up with b, most alternatives would likely require closer range and increased hesitation.
d- do we really need more crazy stupid people with guns?

That is all.

No the contention has been made, in effect, that it is morally superior and more socially aware to beat an assailant with a club, than to frighten them off with a firearm.
I don't think anyone wants crazy people to have guns. The problem with stopping stupid people is the folks who think that wanting a gun proves you are stupid (of course many think it also proves you are crazy)

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RE: Anyone agree that it is better to harm with any oth... - 10/4/2014 7:23:24 PM

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The good guys are starting to win.

I hope and pray that continues.

I know we disagree a lot, but I totally believe in your right to live in safety and peace.

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