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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 6:19:46 AM   
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Obama came to power riding a wave of leftist propaganda that claimed that GWB and the USA were pure evil for fighting poor misunderstood Islamists

Got a citation for that?



I am not even going to try and claim I know where he got that from. However I do remember folks on this forum claiming that the only way we could get other countries to stop hating us was to get rid of the shrub and elect Obama. Now I have no clue where they got their talking points from but common sense should have told them it wouldn't be that easy. I also remember one who seemed very disappointed because Obama didn't automatically cut aid to Israel when he was elected and was very vocal about it.

As to the op, sorry but Carter ragging on Obama can only make me like Obama more. He really needs to shut up and go back to his peanut farm.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 6:30:05 AM   
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Mnot called him the village idiot. That kind of stuck in my mind. TheHeretic has Mnot on hide (too funny.) When one is emotional / irrational as he is --- at least you can appreciate the pattern.


Admit it boy, you have a think for TH don't you? Why else would you call him out in every thread whether he has been there yet or not.
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No one was publicly crying in their bowl when the US pulled out of IRAQ after spending $1 Trillion Dollars there. Sanity's man, GWB, picked Maliki, disbanded the IRAQI army, and instituted debaathification. His guys claimed the insurgents were DEAD ENDERS. His guys threw the SUNNIs into Abu Ghraib.

Frankly, it's a childish mind to think as he does -- personalizing and imputing all the world's problems to a President who did not create them.

Sorry sweetcheeks but there were a lot of people publicly crying the day GWB took office, and they kept it up the entire 8 years he was in office. In fact some of them haven't stopped yet. Funny that you never mentioned how childish there were.

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What does Sanity want? IT looks like more endless war and recessionist, deficit inducing policies.


Oh isn't that cute, now you are going to claim you can read his mind and know exactly what he is thinking.

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Here's an essential, striking fact published in the New Yorker on 9/29/2014.

ISIS is run by a council of former IRAQI generals, according to Hisham Alhashimi, an advisor to the IRAQ government and an expert on ISIS. Many are members of Saddam Hussein's secular BAATH Party who converted to radical Islam in American prisons.


Was there a point behind that striking fact, perhaps a link so we can read the whole thing.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 6:48:45 AM   
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In the OP, of course it is a simple nutsucker fabrication, nothing of the sort happened. Next, this last post, fucking imbecility and ineptitude demonstrated by nutsuckers, since it points out that educated people, informed, and with facts at hand, would necessarily be 'liberal'. Of course, we can flush Liberty university, Notre Dame and the like, because they are wholly nutsucker institutions.


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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 8:10:39 AM   
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ISIS is run by a council of former IRAQI generals, according to Hisham Alhashimi, an advisor to the IRAQ government and an expert on ISIS. Many are members of Saddam Hussein's secular BAATH Party who converted to radical Islam in American prisons.


Someone wanted a cite: A REPORTER AT LARGE, THE FIGHT FOR THEIR LIVES The White House wants the Kurds to help save IRAQ from ISIS. The Kurds may be more interested in breaking away. The New Yorker, Dexter Filkins, Sept 29, 2014.

From that article here is something else of note:

Kurdish leaders told me that they have no desire to take the fight into Arab-dominated lands, where ISIS has many supporters.

FYI: Obama admitted he "waited too long" to confront ISIS on 60 Minutes. So, this is not really news. There seem to be about 1000 critics here but few with a workable solution.


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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 12:04:51 PM   
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As to the op, sorry but Carter ragging on Obama can only make me like Obama more. He really needs to shut up and go back to his peanut farm.


Well in that case... Here's reason for you to like Nanci Pelosi even more

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/embattled-house-democrats-turn-against-nancy-pelosi-20141008

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 12:19:48 PM   
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So the fact that its nutsucker opinion propaganda being felched site is of great import to you I see.

I know this site should bring you hope, with all republicans being gay like that:
http://www.gayrepublicans.org/

question is, why are they so self-loathing because of their antics they don't have the moral backbone to support marriage? What kind of godless country destroyers are these nutsuckers anyhow?


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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 6:33:41 PM   
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Priceless. Carter and Obama fighting over who will be remembered as our country's worse president. They do have one thing in common. They are both democrats.

While I agree that Carter sucked as president, I believe he has proven time and again that he is the finest man that has ever held the office. I doubt Obama will compete at all on that when he is done being president.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 8:50:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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As to the op, sorry but Carter ragging on Obama can only make me like Obama more. He really needs to shut up and go back to his peanut farm.


Well in that case... Here's reason for you to like Nanci Pelosi even more

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/embattled-house-democrats-turn-against-nancy-pelosi-20141008



tell ya what. show me one post where I even mention her let alone claim to like her and we will talk. Until then I will continue to ignore most of what you post.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/9/2014 8:55:16 PM   
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tell ya what. show me one post where I even mention her let alone claim to like her and we will talk. Until then I will continue to ignore most of what you post.


I can see how you ignore me

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 2:27:12 AM   
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Maybe the Nobel Prizewinner who let the Ayatollah come to power could trade war stories with the Nobel Prizewinner who's starting an {as currently fought} unwinnable war in the Middle East.

How would you fight it? To make it winnable, that is.

What do these pukes have in the way of equipment first? Any Air-power? Armor Assets? Considering that they've been smashing Syrian and Iraqi forces, I want to know what they have.

We start with armor, because I don't think they have any air. We begin with light tanks, such as the Stuart. Maybe upgrade the gun from a 37 mm to a 57 mm if possible. Medium armor could be Grants and Shermans, or Patton tanks. Platoon of five light tanks, company of 18 medium tanks.

Artillery SPGs in the 105-155 mm range, two batteries.

Infantry battalion, three line companies, a heavy weapons company, Hqs/Svc company.

Supporting assets. Supply logistics units for each major component/unit, and plenty of transport. Lots of trucks, maybe some APCs. UAV recon units, Engineers, Medical units.

Figure on a minimum of 6,000 people.

Physical requirements? Pass the PFT for your age group, be able to walk five miles with sixty pounds in two hours. Hit the dog target at three hundred meters from the standing position.

Supposedly they now have M1 Abrams that they looted from the Iraqis along with some T-72 tanks from Syria and Iraq. They also have a good bit of artillery. Now whether they know how to use any of it is a different story.

Worst case scenario then would be Armor that can move and shoot, in desperate need of maintenance and bore-siting. Call it 1 hit in twenty rounds, maybe? Artillery is probably mostly towed peices, but may be more dangerous for that, needing less maintennce than an SPG.

The trick would be to hit them at weak points(hence the UAV units), wearing down their numbers while looking for the most advantageous ground for a large conventional battle.

While it would be nice to have some modern MBTs, Stuart light tanks and shermans can kill T 72s and even Abrams tanks. Doubtful that these clowns can handle tank formations larger than a platoon, so a company of Sherman tanks reinforced by a platoon of Stuarts would chop 'em up.

Go after fuel and food depots. Can't run armor and trucks without fuel. Also any other logistic locations, plus key transportation infrastructure. Cut the oil pipelines and if they try to move the gold they have taken, steal it from them.

I said a combat unit of about six thousand people. That did not include an air element. I'm adding a squadron of fixed wing planes for bombing/strafing, some choppers for fire support and transport. Make it 8,000 troops now, and the goal is to kill bad guys, rescue innocents, and train people to fight back against these stains on humanity.

Start sortieing B-2's and B-52's and have them carpet bomb any area that has ISIS leadership in it. If they NSA does not have the SIGINT to tell us where that is, they need to be fired.

Rain 2000# bombs until the command signals are gone, then have drones and fighter bombers run around and let the SPECTRE play at night. Once they have been hammered in this manner, the non-whack job Muslims should be able to deal with them.

I would also use the ROE from WW2 instead of the current ones and employ reprisals.


Got a few sources for all this information?

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 6:15:25 AM   
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Well, not a wimp. Reluctant to take our troops into an open-ended conflict, yes. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. The Islamic State isn't Russia or Iran -- we can take it out whenever if we really decide that we need to wipe it out. But actions have consequences. And there's a fundamental ethnic/religious imbalance over how national borders are currently drawn, and that's largely responsible for IS control so far--or the warlords themselves would take them out.

If you're just looking to criticize the president, though, than none of that will matter. Sure, no doubt, he's a mediocre president. In trying to find the medium--not a bad thing per se--he has trouble finding strong, defensible positions at times. But arbitrarily grabbing an ideology and jumping into ill-thought reactions (like the last cowboy, who created a ton of our current messes in the process, financial, foreign policy, and military) isn't a great solution either.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 7:56:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: IIapetus
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Maybe the Nobel Prizewinner who let the Ayatollah come to power could trade war stories with the Nobel Prizewinner who's starting an {as currently fought} unwinnable war in the Middle East.

How would you fight it? To make it winnable, that is.

What do these pukes have in the way of equipment first? Any Air-power? Armor Assets? Considering that they've been smashing Syrian and Iraqi forces, I want to know what they have.

We start with armor, because I don't think they have any air. We begin with light tanks, such as the Stuart. Maybe upgrade the gun from a 37 mm to a 57 mm if possible. Medium armor could be Grants and Shermans, or Patton tanks. Platoon of five light tanks, company of 18 medium tanks.

Artillery SPGs in the 105-155 mm range, two batteries.

Infantry battalion, three line companies, a heavy weapons company, Hqs/Svc company.

Supporting assets. Supply logistics units for each major component/unit, and plenty of transport. Lots of trucks, maybe some APCs. UAV recon units, Engineers, Medical units.

Figure on a minimum of 6,000 people.

Physical requirements? Pass the PFT for your age group, be able to walk five miles with sixty pounds in two hours. Hit the dog target at three hundred meters from the standing position.

Supposedly they now have M1 Abrams that they looted from the Iraqis along with some T-72 tanks from Syria and Iraq. They also have a good bit of artillery. Now whether they know how to use any of it is a different story.

Worst case scenario then would be Armor that can move and shoot, in desperate need of maintenance and bore-siting. Call it 1 hit in twenty rounds, maybe? Artillery is probably mostly towed peices, but may be more dangerous for that, needing less maintennce than an SPG.

The trick would be to hit them at weak points(hence the UAV units), wearing down their numbers while looking for the most advantageous ground for a large conventional battle.

While it would be nice to have some modern MBTs, Stuart light tanks and shermans can kill T 72s and even Abrams tanks. Doubtful that these clowns can handle tank formations larger than a platoon, so a company of Sherman tanks reinforced by a platoon of Stuarts would chop 'em up.

Go after fuel and food depots. Can't run armor and trucks without fuel. Also any other logistic locations, plus key transportation infrastructure. Cut the oil pipelines and if they try to move the gold they have taken, steal it from them.

I said a combat unit of about six thousand people. That did not include an air element. I'm adding a squadron of fixed wing planes for bombing/strafing, some choppers for fire support and transport. Make it 8,000 troops now, and the goal is to kill bad guys, rescue innocents, and train people to fight back against these stains on humanity.

Start sortieing B-2's and B-52's and have them carpet bomb any area that has ISIS leadership in it. If they NSA does not have the SIGINT to tell us where that is, they need to be fired.

Rain 2000# bombs until the command signals are gone, then have drones and fighter bombers run around and let the SPECTRE play at night. Once they have been hammered in this manner, the non-whack job Muslims should be able to deal with them.

I would also use the ROE from WW2 instead of the current ones and employ reprisals.


Got a few sources for all this information?



What exactly are you wanting sources for?

There are thousands of sites that contain data on military specifications. You can also go to your local library or VFW.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 8:11:39 AM   
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From Gail Collins:

Ignore anybody who claims his or her opponent is a threat to national security. (When voting in the midterms)

For instance, there’s the Arizona Republican congressional candidate Wendy Rogers, who ran an ad showing the prelude to the beheading of an American journalist as a narrator warned: “Terrorist threats are growing. Are we secure? Are we protected? [...] Kyrsten Sinema allowed her liberal agenda to get in the way of our safety.”

Representative Sinema’s sins were matters like supporting efforts to give Guantánamo Bay detainees trials in U.S. courts.

Also, the ad misspelled “safety.” Really, when you’re warning people that we have to be very, very careful, you ought to check the details.


Sanity is just following the dittohead talking points like this idiotic commercial in AZ.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 8:19:41 AM   
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Obama came to power riding a wave of leftist propaganda that claimed that GWB and the USA were pure evil for fighting poor misunderstood Islamists

Got a citation for that?



I am not even going to try and claim I know where he got that from. However I do remember folks on this forum claiming that the only way we could get other countries to stop hating us was to get rid of the shrub and elect Obama.

That doesn't make any sense -- the shrub was on the way out either way.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 8:24:21 AM   
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Cry of G.O.P. in Campaign: All Is Dismal

Playing off feelings of anxiety is a powerful strategy for motivating the Republican base.

• The National Republican Congressional Committee is running ads warning that terrorists are streaming across the Mexican border.

• Republicans like Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana — all possible 2016 presidential candidates — have accused Mr. Obama of leaving Americans vulnerable to the Ebola epidemic.

• One from the National Republican Senatorial Committee running against Senator Mark Udall in Colorado plays a clip of the senator saying that the Islamic State does not pose an imminent threat. “Really? Can we take that chance?”

• Even the infamous 1964 “Daisy” ad aired by President Lyndon B. Johnson’s campaign — which depicted a girl picking petals off a flower as the clock ticked down to a nuclear blast — has been recycled by Rob Astorino, the Republican running against Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us/politics/republican-strategy-midterm-elections.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A7%22%7D



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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 8:31:27 AM   
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However I do remember folks on this forum claiming that the only way we could get other countries to stop hating us was to get rid of the shrub and elect Obama.

Obama was not running against bush...but then why would that matter to you since you only open your mouth to change feet.



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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 8:33:18 AM   
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As to the op, sorry but Carter ragging on Obama can only make me like Obama more. He really needs to shut up and go back to his peanut farm.


Well in that case... Here's reason for you to like Nanci Pelosi even more

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/embattled-house-democrats-turn-against-nancy-pelosi-20141008



tell ya what. show me one post where I even mention her let alone claim to like her and we will talk. Until then I will continue to ignore most of what you post.




Now; both you and Rich got one comin from me.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 9:21:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
As to the op, sorry but Carter ragging on Obama can only make me like Obama more. He really needs to shut up and go back to his peanut farm.


Well in that case... Here's reason for you to like Nanci Pelosi even more

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/embattled-house-democrats-turn-against-nancy-pelosi-20141008



tell ya what. show me one post where I even mention her let alone claim to like her and we will talk. Until then I will continue to ignore most of what you post.




Now; both you and Rich got one comin from me.


Maybe the two of them could go down and meet you at the airport to collect

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 9:32:30 AM   
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You are being brought along as the token nutsucker.

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RE: Carter: Obamas a Wimp vs. Islamic Extremists - 10/10/2014 9:33:42 AM   
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You are being brought along as the token nutsucker.


I dont share your fantasies, mnot

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