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Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries?


US airports should have closed airports from Ebola ravaged countries.
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The US should immediately close airports from Ebola ravished countries
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We should never close airports from any country.
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What the hell is going to happen next in this country?
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I could care less, until the US has at least 100 cases of Ebola
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I am not worried, I will never get Ebola.
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I am worried, and I have no idea what I should do.
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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 2:30:33 PM   
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Just because you catch ebola doesn't mean you're gonna die. It has a high kill rate (50%). But it's not always deadly. For comparison the kill rate of the flu is estimated to be about 8.5%

After reading all the posts in this thread. I've just one thing to ask. Paranoid much?


At this point, it's not that I'm paranoid. I am fucking annoyed. And insulted. I feel like the government, which I have always had faith in no matter what party was in the lead, basically had my back. Right about now, though, I feel like they are not taking what seems to me very simple steps, and we are continually fed the same lines over and over and over about why. I'm tired of hearing it, I'm pissed off that I am helpless to do anything about it, and I am disappointed in our leadership.

It matters not to me which organization can actually make the changes necessary. Like it or not, the U.S. does still have clout - enough to be warmly welcomed when we promise money and soldiers and healthcare workers, enough to be thanked and praised for finally getting over there to pitch in. That should have been offered with the caveat that what happens in Liberia, stays in Liberia. Or no aid.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 6:26:56 PM   
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WASHINGTON –- A national nurses union said during a hastily-scheduled press conference Tuesday evening that hospitals are dropping the ball on safety for nurses caring for Ebola patients.

RoseAnn DeMoro, director of National Nurses United, which has been critical of hospitals' response to the Ebola crisis, said safety protocols recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have not been followed by the Dallas hospital where Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, died last week.

“Our nurses are not protected, they’re not prepared to handle Ebola or any other pandemics,” DeMoro said. “The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place and are not in place anywhere in the United States, as far as we can tell.”

The CDC has said it would do more hands-on training with health care workers after officials confirmed over the weekend that Nina Pham, a nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas, contracted Ebola after caring for Duncan.

Deborah Burger, co-director of the nurses union, read an account of hospital conditions she said had been given from nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian. The statement painted a portrait of carelessness, with nurses who interacted with Duncan wearing flimsy gowns and protective gear that left parts of their bodies exposed.

"Nurses had to interact with Mr. Duncan with whatever protective equipment was available at the time when he had copious amounts of diarrhea and vomiting, which produces a lot of contagious fluid," Burger said.

DeMoro said her criticism was reserved for hospitals, not the government.

"When the director from the CDC in March said hospitals should prepare for possible pandemic of Ebola, and what's happened in the country is the hospitals essentially ignored that," DeMoro said.

In an email Tuesday evening after the nurses' conference called ended, the CDC said it initially sent a team of 10 public health professionals to Dallas when Duncan was admitted to the hospital, then an additional team of 16 to monitor the nurses who had come into contact with Duncan. The team is focusing partly on standardizing the personal protective equipment nurses wear. The CDC said Tuesday morning it was monitoring 76 people who had been involved in Duncan's care alongside Pham.

Burger said nurses were participating the press call, but wouldn't speak in order to protect their anonymity. The union declined to give information about how many nurses were participating in the call or any details about whether they had been in direct contact with Duncan.

More than 4,000 people have died from Ebola this year, almost all of them in West Africa. Texas Health Presbyterian said Tuesday afternoon that Pham is in good condition. The hospital did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/14/ebola-nurses_n_5986468.html

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 6:43:44 PM   
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Quarantine is impractical because of the huge numbers. It's the affect countries that need their borders closed.

Are there really huge numbers of people flowing in and out of those countries affected by Ebola?

I don't think so. I suggest close monitoring precisely because it's not like a huge mass of people constantly traveling in from those countries.

You make it sound like those countries are affluent with frequent travelers.


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 6:48:39 PM   
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Hehe, my country's ebola prevention advice is very funny. That if anybody travel to ebola countries, just carry alcohol disinfectant, as ebola virus dies easily from alcohol contact, so just keep rubbing your hands with disinfectant and washing it as a prevention.

If they die from alcohol, so sad you can't just drink alcohol to heal yourself.


Funny, but sadly I doubt rubbing your hands with alcohol disinfectant would be enough.
At least your country has prevention advice.


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 7:00:38 PM   
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quote:

Quarantine is impractical because of the huge numbers. It's the affect countries that need their borders closed.

Are there really huge numbers of people flowing in and out of those countries affected by Ebola?

I don't think so. I suggest close monitoring precisely because it's not like a huge mass of people constantly traveling in from those countries.

You make it sound like those countries are affluent with frequent travelers.



150 per day from liberia.... how much is that going to cost them in time, money, building space, food, clothing, bedding, sanitation healthcare? not to mention the problems for the passengers themselves......every day for how long...21 days quarantine x 150 per day is millions, and thats just one day.

Liberian doctors are on strike, aid workers have to be flown in, and back out...
DO the countries infected have the facilities there to shut all flights out and deal with passengers?


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 7:04:31 PM   
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150 per day from liberia.... how much is that going to cost them in time, money, building space, food, clothing, bedding, sanitation healthcare? not to mention the problems for the passengers themselves......every day for how long...21 days quarantine x 150 per day is millions, and thats just one day.

I guess America is in debt so they worry about cost. When it comes to ensuring no disease outbreak, we spare no expense. And I think it's our mentality, this is something worth spending our tax money on. The cost of an Ebola outbreak will surpass the cost of prevention. It's morning here and I just did my morning routine of reading my local papers!
Tadah!! I guess I am soo like my government in thinking. They have implemented it!!! All passengers from Ebola countries has to go through a compulsory medical at the airport itself, they will be separated from the other passengers upon arrival until ascertain they didn't come from Ebola strickened areas and have passed the medical. If they were, even if tested negative, they will be Quarantined.

I don't have to follow Sanity now! I am safe!

FYI, 150 folks arriving from Ebola ravaged countries a day is considered very little and very manageable.


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 8:07:21 PM   
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I guess America is in debt so they worry about cost. When it comes to ensuring no disease outbreak, we spare no expense. And I think it's our mentality, this is something worth spending our tax money on. The cost of an Ebola outbreak will surpass the cost of prevention. It's morning here and I just did my morning routine of reading my local papers!
Tadah!! I guess I am soo like my government in thinking. They have implemented it!!! All passengers from Ebola countries has to go through a compulsory medical at the airport itself, they will be separated from the other passengers upon arrival until ascertain they didn't come from Ebola strickened areas and have passed the medical. If they were, even if tested negative, they will be Quarantined.

Sounds like your government has implemented a great plan.
Thanks for the update!

I don't have to follow Sanity now! I am safe!

We might have to come to your country!


FYI, 150 folks arriving from Ebola ravaged countries a day is considered very little and very manageable.



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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 8:07:57 PM   
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But this is what I find so frustrating. Why does it matter how many hops someone takes to get to the USA? If their passport activity shows that they've been in one of the affected countries in the last 21 days, then deny entry. Revoke their passport rights so they're stopped before they ever get on the plane. And if they do make it on, do another passport check of everybody as they get off the plane and quarantine anybody who slipped through the first round. How is this any more difficult than scanning everyone's temperature? And surely it's less expensive than caring for Ebola patients in the U.S.


I'm sceptical about all this, Greta. Firstly, we're talking of third world countries and it's too easy to make first world assumptions about infrastructures that don't exist. Things like porous borders (because there's no one around to control them), passport systems that aren't properly controlled, officials who can be bribed. Secondly, many people seem to be terrified in the countries concerned. They may feel that they have nothing to lose by breaking any and all rules.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 8:58:34 PM   
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"Each year, an estimated 443,000 people die prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million live with a serious illness caused by smoking. Despite these risks, approximately 46.6 million U.S. adults smoke cigarettes" ... This from the CDC .... Yet only 1 person has died and 1 other contracted the disease from treating the guy who died? 2 whole people and the news is freaking out like it's the apocalypse and doomsday all put together and ebola is the big buzzword. OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!. Yes. protect ourselves. yes be prepared. Let's not be stupid and be realistic. The odds are almost nada anything major will happen. Time to tone it down and be real. Quit listening to the news

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 9:14:02 PM   
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Yawning at the poster above me.
Same boring obnoxious attempt to shut people up.
I have only read one poster who appears to be hysterical.

Most of us are discussing normal precautions.
If the topic does not interest you, why keep attempting to mock us?
Its trollish, and not changing anyones concerns.
Why not piss elsewhere?


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 10:07:38 PM   
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"Each year, an estimated 443,000 people die prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million live with a serious illness caused by smoking.

Ha ha!
That's why we ban smoking in all public areas in my country :). Prevention dude! It's all about Prevention! Poor smokers gotta go huddle in a hole somewhere.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/14/2014 10:15:47 PM   
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I'm sceptical about all this, Greta. Firstly, we're talking of third world countries and it's too easy to make first world assumptions about infrastructures that don't exist. Things like porous borders (because there's no one around to control them), passport systems that aren't properly controlled, officials who can be bribed. Secondly, many people seem to be terrified in the countries concerned. They may feel that they have nothing to lose by breaking any and all rules.

I would respond to this but I don't think that was posted by me but by someone else. I think completely banning is hardcore but will also discriminate and piss alot of people off. It's the easiest and most cost effective way perhaps. But not very PR. In my country, it's so funny, because yesterday, it was like, we had one ebola fake scare, who tested negative, then they say, everything is okay, not to worry, but because of that fake scare, today, they implemented health checks at airports haha! Fast response! I guess we are tiny too, It takes only an hour to get from one end of the country to the other end, an epidemic here could wipe us out really fast. So we are more paranoid.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 12:41:39 AM   
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Isn't anyone concerned that, with all this scaremongering, in a cuople months for seasonal flu thing will just go crazy, and in first world countries loones thinking being infected will do more dameges than ebola itself?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 5:12:22 AM   
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Isn't anyone concerned that, with all this scaremongering, in a cuople months for seasonal flu thing will just go crazy, and in first world countries loones thinking being infected will do more dameges than ebola itself?

Well, not worried about that, there are flu jabs that prevents you from getting flu. So all good!

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 3:36:48 PM   
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A second nurse that helped care for Duncan has been diagnosed with Ebola. But, she flew to visit her family in Akron, Ohio.

So, now we have a family that has been in contact with someone infected with Ebola. We have a commercial plane with other passengers that now have had some contact with a person infected with Ebola. We have a crew that has potentially come in contact with Ebola while they were doing routine cleaning of that plane.

What's the truth?
    quote:

    The risk of exposure to the passengers who were on the plane with Vinson is low, since she did not yet have symptoms, health officials said Wednesday. The Ebola virus is not contagious before symptoms set in.
    Still, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers who were on the plane with her.


Or...
    quote:

    Is a Person Contagious During the Ebola Incubation Period?
    Even if a person exhibits no signs or symptoms of Ebola, he or she can still spread the virus during the incubation period. Once symptoms begin, the person can remain contagious for about three more weeks.




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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 3:54:45 PM   
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WTF what possessed HER to fly considering she had been working with Duncan,???
why wasnt NOT FLYING while under questionable self examination a pre requisite from the hospital.


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 3:59:19 PM   
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So, now we have a family that has been in contact with someone infected with Ebola. We have a commercial plane with other passengers that now have had some contact with a person infected with Ebola. We have a crew that has potentially come in contact with Ebola while they were doing routine cleaning of that plane.

What's the truth?

Why do you care? Does a conservative interpretation of the constitution allow for any of this? Why isn't this a job for private enterprise?


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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 4:13:53 PM   
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quote:

Quarantine is impractical because of the huge numbers. It's the affect countries that need their borders closed.

Are there really huge numbers of people flowing in and out of those countries affected by Ebola?

I don't think so. I suggest close monitoring precisely because it's not like a huge mass of people constantly traveling in from those countries.

You make it sound like those countries are affluent with frequent travelers.




The second nurse in the US flew on a plane with 100 people after contracting the virus, against the guidelines as I understand it. Now if one person on a plane infects just two others, and they infect two more, things start to spread fairly quickly. It isnt rocket science is it. Lets not forget the current outbreak is also the first in that part of Africa and take a look at how fast it has spread in one year. Almost all previous outbreaks have been in the Congo basin area.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 4:22:29 PM   
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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/15/2014 4:28:05 PM   
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Indeed Lucy...... It is like trying to explain to three year olds on here at times.

Smoochies........

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