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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 2:23:57 PM   
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it sure seems like it is the mentality displayed in your last statement..."Fuck! It's happening allover again!"... that comes into play more often.

Quite possibly, alas.

The reaction/response might be considered a cultural version of PTSD, which could help explain why it's so persistent and so challenging to address.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 2:54:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Try breathing into a paper bag or something?


OK, I'm game. But unlike you, I'm new to all this.

What kind of glue do you have in yours? So we can be on the same page and everything.


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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 3:10:54 PM   
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It is fairly sad that when a white cop shoots a black person there are riots, political pressure, investigations, huge news reports, town meetings and so on. If a black person shoots a white cop, it is no biggie and very little is heard about it.

True. Any slaying, whatever the skin tone of the killer and the killed, should distress us.

That said, I think there's an additional factor at work, which I haven't seen mentioned in the thread. That's the weighty hand of history. One of the heartbreaking strands of the American story has been the role of white officials and cops in oppressing black folk. The Fugitive Slave Law comes to mind, as do Jim Crow, fire hoses turned on peaceful protesters, and cops not merely allowing but abetting lynching.

Against that backdrop, I understand how any white-kills-black story, particularly if it involves a cop's or quasi-cop's finger on the trigger, can evoke, perhaps subconsciously, the horror and rage of "Fuck! It's happening all over again."
And yet, though your first statement is right...that any killing, regardless of skin tone, should sadden us...it sure seems like it is the mentality displayed in your last statement..."Fuck! It's happening allover again!"... that comes into play more often.

How else do you explain the lack of coverage given to a shooting just two days after Ferguson in which a BLACK police officer shot a young white man named Dillon Taylor?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/justice-dillon-taylor-after-white-utah-man-fatally/
Of course maybe it's this: While they (Salt Lake City residents) have participated in protests demanding justice for Taylor, these have not been accompanied by rioting, looting, violence, and calls for the murder of police officers — unlike in Ferguson. Or maybe it's because Obama and Holder and others in the government have had nothing to say.

Of course the real differences are so numerous it is hard to even count them.
In this case the officer was wearing a body camera so what happened is well known. There is no doubt about whether the officer is telling the truth about what happened leading up to the shooting. As a matter of fact the DA has concluded his investigation and released the body camera footage completely exonerating the officers and showing that Taylor did do things that caused him to get shot.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp

The problem is probably that you don't bother to poke your head out of the right wing media bubble into reality.
Whereas...of course...Michael Brown did not do ANYTHING that contributed to his being shot. Yes, Dillon Taylor contributed..things like not laying down on the ground when the police told him to (he had ear buds in and didn't hear. Of course, he could SEE commands being given but then , so could Michael)), he had his hands in his pants and withdrew them while facing the officer (officer thought he was possibly drawing a weapon). I can understand the officer's fear and frustration. And of course, Michael Brown did nothing to intimidate the officer in his case...as far as we know...other than what the cop say happened (reaching in the police vehicle, shoving/hitting the officer, not standing where the officer told him to). So there's a difference.

Here's another difference: the BLACK officer didn't wind up with any sort of wound to his face...or anywhere else...inflicted by the person he was trying to stop/arrest.

Here's another difference: there was a 911 call made to the police about "3 young men obviously looking for trouble".

Here's another difference: forensic examiners determined that Taylor's blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit for driving so his abilities to act and make decisions in a normal manner were impaired.

Another difference: the police released their report nearly 6 weeks after the shooting ( gee, what took them so long? They had video. You don't suppose time to do a thorough investigation played a part, do you?) and there were protests during that time. No looting or destroying of innocent people's properties though.

Last difference: during that time of uncertainty...when no one knew what the findings of the investigation were, there was no one from Obama's administration there, no Eric Holder to cry out against the young man...with no gun... shot down by the police officer...with a gun.

My head is in both right and left wing media, mnot...not just immersed in that hate bucket of yours.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 3:22:59 PM   
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They do. You will find those private companies al over the US. We call them colleges and universities.


You don't say?

You mean that Wash. State and U of Wash. are private companies? Who knew!


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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 3:54:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
They do. You will find those private companies al over the US. We call them colleges and universities.


You don't say?

You mean that Wash. State and U of Wash. are private companies? Who knew!




Yep.

They do receive public funds and they are tax exempt, but so is the NFL.

Did you think that they were government owned and run?

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 4:16:15 PM   
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It was a general statement.

No, it was a question. One that had fuck all to do with anything I had said so why did you ask it?

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 4:17:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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It is when your responses are so predictable and so childish. You have spent pages race baiting. So I dropped the bait and you took it hook, line and sinker. It is not my fault that you are that fucking stupid.


Its gotta hurt to be as stupid as you are



If Ken is in pain, you must be in intensive care. You post another trollish thread and wonder why you get pulled on it.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 4:30:52 PM   
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It was a general statement.

No, it was a question. One that had fuck all to do with anything I had said so why did you ask it?

OK it was a general question.
The thread had been about the racist inclination to blame a white cop no matter what actually happened. You were deriding the basis of the thread and I just gave you a color inversion of the situation. Since the reaction is different if the cop is black and the thug is white it speaks to the character of the protesters. Otherwise it would be just as bad either way. You know it isn't treated the same.
You are also overreacting to this.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 5:14:58 PM   
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OK it was a general question.
The thread had been about the racist inclination to blame a white cop no matter what actually happened. You were deriding the basis of the thread and I just gave you a color inversion of the situation. Since the reaction is different if the cop is black and the thug is white it speaks to the character of the protesters. Otherwise it would be just as bad either way. You know it isn't treated the same.
You are also overreacting to this.

I don't think so. I'm just trying to puzzle out the logical leaps it took to go from the statement I made to the question you asked in reply. Your inference is erroneous; I wasn't deriding the "basis of the thread". I was merely commenting on the subject line.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 5:26:31 PM   
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OK it was a general question.
The thread had been about the racist inclination to blame a white cop no matter what actually happened. You were deriding the basis of the thread and I just gave you a color inversion of the situation. Since the reaction is different if the cop is black and the thug is white it speaks to the character of the protesters. Otherwise it would be just as bad either way. You know it isn't treated the same.
You are also overreacting to this.

I don't think so. I'm just trying to puzzle out the logical leaps it took to go from the statement I made to the question you asked in reply. Your inference is erroneous; I wasn't deriding the "basis of the thread". I was merely commenting on the subject line.

Yes you are, although it appears that I misunderstood the intent of your statement.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 5:27:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

It is fairly sad that when a white cop shoots a black person there are riots, political pressure, investigations, huge news reports, town meetings and so on. If a black person shoots a white cop, it is no biggie and very little is heard about it.

True. Any slaying, whatever the skin tone of the killer and the killed, should distress us.

That said, I think there's an additional factor at work, which I haven't seen mentioned in the thread. That's the weighty hand of history. One of the heartbreaking strands of the American story has been the role of white officials and cops in oppressing black folk. The Fugitive Slave Law comes to mind, as do Jim Crow, fire hoses turned on peaceful protesters, and cops not merely allowing but abetting lynching.

Against that backdrop, I understand how any white-kills-black story, particularly if it involves a cop's or quasi-cop's finger on the trigger, can evoke, perhaps subconsciously, the horror and rage of "Fuck! It's happening all over again."
And yet, though your first statement is right...that any killing, regardless of skin tone, should sadden us...it sure seems like it is the mentality displayed in your last statement..."Fuck! It's happening allover again!"... that comes into play more often.

How else do you explain the lack of coverage given to a shooting just two days after Ferguson in which a BLACK police officer shot a young white man named Dillon Taylor?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/justice-dillon-taylor-after-white-utah-man-fatally/
Of course maybe it's this: While they (Salt Lake City residents) have participated in protests demanding justice for Taylor, these have not been accompanied by rioting, looting, violence, and calls for the murder of police officers — unlike in Ferguson. Or maybe it's because Obama and Holder and others in the government have had nothing to say.

Of course the real differences are so numerous it is hard to even count them.
In this case the officer was wearing a body camera so what happened is well known. There is no doubt about whether the officer is telling the truth about what happened leading up to the shooting. As a matter of fact the DA has concluded his investigation and released the body camera footage completely exonerating the officers and showing that Taylor did do things that caused him to get shot.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp

The problem is probably that you don't bother to poke your head out of the right wing media bubble into reality.
Whereas...of course...Michael Brown did not do ANYTHING that contributed to his being shot. Yes, Dillon Taylor contributed..things like not laying down on the ground when the police told him to (he had ear buds in and didn't hear. Of course, he could SEE commands being given but then , so could Michael)), he had his hands in his pants and withdrew them while facing the officer (officer thought he was possibly drawing a weapon). I can understand the officer's fear and frustration. And of course, Michael Brown did nothing to intimidate the officer in his case...as far as we know...other than what the cop say happened (reaching in the police vehicle, shoving/hitting the officer, not standing where the officer told him to). So there's a difference.

Still just making shit up. Two cops were shouting at Taylor and he did not have his hands in his pants the video is quite clear his hands were out in the air and then he started reaching into his waistband.

Of course there are 6 witnesses that attest to the fact that Brown surrendered, including 2 white men that did not know Brown and are not from Ferguson, before Wilson murdered him.

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Here's another difference: the BLACK officer didn't wind up with any sort of wound to his face...or anywhere else...inflicted by the person he was trying to stop/arrest.

You mean officer Cruz in Salt Lake City? That's the person you're race baiting? BTW Wilson's so called injury didn't happen. There was no actual treatment for any injury. The claims that he was injured are entirely bogus. Another instance of the right wing bubble at work.

quote:

Here's another difference: there was a 911 call made to the police about "3 young men obviously looking for trouble".

actually the 911 call was that the 3 men were flashing a gun. Do you ever leave the bubble. That fact is also in the Salt Lake Trib article I posted above.

quote:

Here's another difference: forensic examiners determined that Taylor's blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit for driving so his abilities to act and make decisions in a normal manner were impaired.

Another difference: the police released their report nearly 6 weeks after the shooting ( gee, what took them so long? They had video. You don't suppose time to do a thorough investigation played a part, do you?) and there were protests during that time. No looting or destroying of innocent people's properties though.

It's been 2 months and counting for Brown and still nothing. And the DA is actually talking about taking until January which is bogus.

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Last difference: during that time of uncertainty...when no one knew what the findings of the investigation were, there was no one from Obama's administration there, no Eric Holder to cry out against the young man...with no gun... shot down by the police officer...with a gun.

except of course anyone who cared in the government had already seen the video and knew the cop was in the right and that the right wing morons screeching about this were just doing it to try and distract from Ferguson. Just like you're doing now quack. Now try and pull yourself out of the right wing media bubble.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 5:29:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
They do. You will find those private companies al over the US. We call them colleges and universities.


You don't say?

You mean that Wash. State and U of Wash. are private companies? Who knew!




Yep.

They do receive public funds and they are tax exempt, but so is the NFL.

Did you think that they were government owned and run?

They are. all public universities are. Although it is the case that some private universities also have police forces.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 5:35:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
They do. You will find those private companies al over the US. We call them colleges and universities.


You don't say?

You mean that Wash. State and U of Wash. are private companies? Who knew!




Yep.

They do receive public funds and they are tax exempt, but so is the NFL.

Did you think that they were government owned and run?

They are. all public universities are. Although it is the case that some private universities also have police forces.

I went to a State University with it's own police force.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 5:42:55 PM   
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some private universities also have police forces.

My alma mater does.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/11/2014 10:00:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
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ORIGINAL: Aylee They do. You will find those private companies al over the US. We call them colleges and universities.

You don't say?

You mean that Wash. State and U of Wash. are private companies? Who knew!

Yep.

They do receive public funds and they are tax exempt, but so is the NFL.

Did you think that they were government owned and run?


Fine, show me the articles of incorporation for Washington State University, then. What was their last Q-3 and 10-K report? What was the last dividend payout?

What a fuckwit, pardon my language.

Every state (including DC) has a university system that is funded by and administered by that state.

What state funds and administers the NFL?

What a fuckwit.


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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/12/2014 6:23:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Has anyone noticed the radical changes to the police version of the story?


No, no one has as we have yet to see you post any links to substantiate any of these wild-eyed conspiracy charges

Dumbass.
I was hoping you'd take the bait
bushes version
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/09/police-say-off-duty-st-louis-cop-shot-teen-who-opened-fire-on-him/
No bushes version
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/st-louis-police-officer-fatally-shoots-teenager.html
Hoodie version
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-officer-fatally-shoots-teenager-in-south-st-louis/article_2d5a8c2a-97db-5cec-a477-1130d7d26f7e.html
video showing the victim showing no hoodie
http://launch.newsinc.com/share.html?trackingGroup=69016&siteSection=stltoday&videoId=27593599




Yup he took the bait. Nice trolling there. And you are right the stories did change. Kinda like most news stories when the media puts shit out there before checking the facts. So was there a point to this or were you just trying to show us how you could troll?

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/12/2014 6:52:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Has anyone noticed the radical changes to the police version of the story?


No, no one has as we have yet to see you post any links to substantiate any of these wild-eyed conspiracy charges

Dumbass.
I was hoping you'd take the bait
bushes version
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/09/police-say-off-duty-st-louis-cop-shot-teen-who-opened-fire-on-him/
No bushes version
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/st-louis-police-officer-fatally-shoots-teenager.html
Hoodie version
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-officer-fatally-shoots-teenager-in-south-st-louis/article_2d5a8c2a-97db-5cec-a477-1130d7d26f7e.html
video showing the victim showing no hoodie
http://launch.newsinc.com/share.html?trackingGroup=69016&siteSection=stltoday&videoId=27593599




Yup he took the bait. Nice trolling there. And you are right the stories did change. Kinda like most news stories when the media puts shit out there before checking the facts. So was there a point to this or were you just trying to show us how you could troll?

Those are official statements by the police loser.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/12/2014 3:25:15 PM   
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Those are official statements by the police loser.


No you dk, those are links to news sites

Not one is a link to an official police statement

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/12/2014 8:14:01 PM   
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Those are official statements by the police loser.


No you dk, those are links to news sites

Not one is a link to an official police statement

They are quotes of official police statements. please try to enter reality occasionally.

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RE: Content of Character: 0 - 10/12/2014 8:33:00 PM   
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As interpreted and spun by reporters

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