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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 10:19:20 AM   
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If you'd ever read anything beyond comic books and fifth grade biographies, then the real history is that the Western powers have rattled cages around the world for centuries, which definitely includes funding and material and logistical support for a plethora of dictatorships and wacko terrorists or proto-terrorists in all corners of the world.

So one or a few of them actually bite back on occasion. Of course some of them are out of control nutjobs, but that's who we hired to begin with. The Wahabi in Saudi Arabia (the fount of AQ), Pinochet in Chile, killing Allende, overthrowing Arbenz in Guatemala, Mossaddeggh in Iraq, selling WMD to both Iraq and Iran in the '80s, oil companies slaughtering entire villages in Africa and in S America ...

And now you want a hankie, "cuz he bit me!" ...

Good luck with that one, champ. Or are you saying that you deserve a hankie because our way of mass slaughter is morally superior to their way of somewhat-less-massive-slaughter?

Which in every case is only possible because of Western (UK, US, France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, etc.) and Russian and Chinese arms sales to every 'hot spot' in the world and selective ,when politically convenient, small WMD.

You might also discover, if you ever get beyond the comic books and the wacko web sites, that it was the Western governments and their oil companies that literally drew the modern day ME map after WWI, sloshing completely disparate tribes around as if in a punch bowl-sized petri dish. And then wondering what all the fuss was about.

So then, you've at least got your mind to wrap around where the mindset was 100 years ago, and are full on with that.

Keep on truckin'. The white man's burden is never easy.




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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 10:20:13 AM   
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So sorry, but yes - the Taliban (who shot her as means of carrying out their judgement against her, in Pakistan).

But, and very importantly, the Taliban were NOT the rulers of Pakistan - as per your assertion!!

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 10:22:41 AM   
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So sorry, but yes - the Taliban (who shot her as means of carrying out their judgement against her, in Pakistan).

But, and very importantly, the Taliban were NOT the rulers of Pakistan - as per your assertion!!


Again, despite your repeated insane assertions, I have not posted that the Taliban rule all of Pakistan.



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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 10:47:42 AM   
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The Taliban are pretty much a straight terrorist organization -- and a well organized dangerous one at that. Curious if we'd be having these problems if we didn't arm / train them to oust what was then the Northern Alliance -- backed by the USSR. In those days the Taliban were "freedom fighters." Osama Bin Laden, a hero "standing up for his people."


Islam isn't just a religion, boy. It is very much a political ideology, and a form of government. And despite what your professors may have taught you the United States did not create Islam. Islamists (those who you refer to as "terrorists) have been around much longer than we have.

You really should read some books. Get a passport, perhaps, and travel. Get out more and learn about the real world.


Lets not confuse Islam with Islamism, they are two very different things. Islamism deals with economics, military affairs and has an aggressive political ideology. Islam is a deep and abiding religion. Whilst all of Islam is Muslim, not all Muslims are Islamists.

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 10:51:22 AM   
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So sorry, but yes - the Taliban (who shot her as means of carrying out their judgement against her, in Pakistan).

But, and very importantly, the Taliban were NOT the rulers of Pakistan - as per your assertion!!


Again, despite your repeated insane assertions, I have not posted that the Taliban rule all of Pakistan.



Nice spin again.... by adding "all" into your previous statement.

But you have posted that is was the government that attacked her and that "It was a form of government that carried out the attack on Malala Yousafzai, the religious governing body known as the Taliban"
Those are your exact words... quoted.

So, by association and/or insinuation, you have said, indirectly, that the Taliban were the governing body and we know it was in Pakistan.

You also stated: "I didn't post that the Taliban is the government of Afghanistan, and we are discussing Pakistan anyway.... In a way they are the government of areas of Pakistan (and Afghanistan) though, especially in certain parts. Its a bit nuanced, nothing someone like you could ever possibly understand".

The Taliban very briefly controlled Afghanistan (that's why we went to war over there) but the Taliban have not been in power, or governed in any way, any part of, Pakistan.
Sure, Taliban supporters run protection rackets in Pakistan and they also run amok and slaughter other non-supporters.
But, they have not been in power in Pakistan or any part of it.



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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 10:54:37 AM   
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It would be really nice if this debate could move forward. It could be quite an interesting one

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 11:06:11 AM   
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Lets not confuse Islam with Islamism, they are two very different things. Islamism deals with economics, military affairs and has an aggressive political ideology. Islam is a deep and abiding religion. Whilst all of Islam is Muslim, not all Muslims are Islamists.


Kudos to you, while there are different shades and nuances to these things you and I know what you mean, and you are correct.

Edited to add an apology, I was a bit loose on my terminology and I should know better.









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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 11:09:54 AM   
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It would be really nice if this debate could move forward. It could be quite an interesting one


Yeah, I am done arguing the point with him. And I agree, it could be a very good thread. I hope you will continue to contribute.

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 11:25:00 AM   
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Yeah, I am done arguing the point with him.

Because you have (yet again) been proven wrong??



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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 12:57:24 PM   
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Or because he hilariously invokes others far more well read than him to 'read some books' when he so conspicuously lacks the fundamental comprehension skills to even read a post properly, much less a book.

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 1:53:55 PM   
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Edited to add an apology, I was a bit loose on my terminology and I should know better.


No, no - you're fine, Sanity. You're a rightie - your prejudices will do nicely. If anything, you should know less.

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 2:33:13 PM   
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Odds are, if you aren't prejudiced against Islamists you either don't understand them or you are one of them

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 2:49:39 PM   
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Well, compared to you nutsuckers he is the dove of peace.


Obama is the dove of appeasement in order to bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power.

Remember how Obama stood up for the Iranian opposition, the Green Movement, when they had a chance to overthrow the Imams? Remember how Obama prevented Turkey from supplying ISIS with arms? Remember how Obama defended Mubarek to prevent the Brotherhood from taking power? Remember how Obama decided not to overthrow Gaddafi because it would throw Libya into chaos dominated by Al Queda? Remember how Obama defended our Libyan diplomats to prevent their murder? Remember how Obama steadfastly refused to release 5 high-grade terrorists from Guantanamo in exchange for a terrorist while he simultaneously engineered the immediately release of an honorable Marine suffering from PTSD trapped in a Mexican hellhole prison?

I could easily add 100 more to that list. To call him the worst president in the history of the US would be to elevate him to heights undeserved.



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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 2:50:44 PM   
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Gates was a nutsucker appointee, and was part and parcel of the instrumental failure of the nutsuckers and W.

And Panetta is a nutsucker.

They are inept at anything that requires intellect.


And you are a nutsucker, all of your opinions will be given the disdain which they deserve, as you wend your way thru the minneapolis airport playing Talouse Lautrec with a cujo slobber.





Intellect such as Obama's pronouncement contradicting the CDC that it's fine to sit next to someone with Ebola on a bus?

Yes. Towering intellect. If you are living in Lilliputia.


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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 2:57:24 PM   
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And, a point of order, you are not remotely anything like approaching 'liberal in its original meaning'.

Liberalism in its original meaning was certainly underpinned by the idea of sovereignty, and you would be over there like a shit off a stick were this a Republican government.



You're taking back the compliment, you must be part Scotsman

You're also bungling the meaning of true liberalism, we true liberals are passionate about liberty and human rights (real human rights) being shared by all human beings on the planet

A girl being shot because she is passionate about achieving an education is an atrocity that should grab everyones attention, though you should be personally excused due to your condition

Why you keep trying to bring Republicans into this is beyond anything logical, they have nothing to do with Malala being shot and the little straw man figure youve constructed of me supposedly supporting any government shooting a young woman for wanting an education is clearly derangement on your part



Good post. You really are operating within the realm of sanity, and that is good, but perhaps unexpected, news.

Anyway, now that the board understands that 'we true liberals' are 'passionate about liberty and human rights' I'm sure we'll see more of it with regard to your compatriots.

Having said that, I'll never be convinced that 'true liberals' care a jot about someone being shot thousands of miles away, although I could be wrong.

Dunno about you Sanity, but I read the paper in the morning and think that's interesting but by the time I've left the door I've got work on my mind, but it seems you carry this burden around with you all day, and who would have thought it? One of Bush's disciples, the man who talks about exterminating evil, these hitherto unknown evil types; could possibly be concerned with saving the world.



What makes you think that classical liberals or conservative republicans are Bush's disciples? Bush spent absurd amounts of money, coined Islam as the "religion of peace," and defined himself as a "compassionate conservative," meaning spend others' money to demonstrate compassion. I do think Bush generally meant well and was a decent human being, far smarter than given credit for, but not someone who was very strong philosophically. As a result, he government pragmatically. Numerous people who have encountered him, including many liberals, have spoken of his decency. In the same way that many who know Joe Biden say he's a decent guy, but try finding anyone on Capitol Hill who respects Obama. You won't. He's equally disliked by Republicans and Democrats because he is a pathological narcissist who listens to no one, heeds no others' advice (except Valerie Jarrett's), and doesn't truly give a damn about the US. Many Democrats who thought he was just another liberal are coming to realize he's not. If you polled Dems privately, most would want Biden as President. He's not as stupid as he acts and he actually knows how to engage with other human beings.


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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 2:59:19 PM   
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The amusing part of this thread is that Obama has bombed 7 nations now where Bush has only bombed 4... Yeah Obama has really earned that Peace Prize /rolleyes.


He has. Because when there is a Mosque on every corner in the US, and all women are in niqabs, there will be PEACE.

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 3:05:31 PM   
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It would be really nice if this debate could move forward. It could be quite an interesting one


Maybe someone should import it to the other P&R section?

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 3:07:23 PM   
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What on earth is a 'nutsacker'?



If I recall correctly it started as nutsucker but the mods nixed that and he changed the u to an a. I asked him to define it at one point but he just danced around and claimed everyone should already know who they are. So far it looks like it means anyone who doesn't agree with what ever bullshit he is spewing at the time.


I'm not sure what the mods nixed. My only comment was about members making an attack in nearly every post. You all can have the freedom to express yourselves, we just feel that attacking every post is a bit much.


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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 3:09:26 PM   
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It would be really nice if this debate could move forward. It could be quite an interesting one


Yeah, I am done arguing the point with him. And I agree, it could be a very good thread. I hope you will continue to contribute.



I would but American politics aren't my bag. If the thread moves moves into the reasons behind our involvement in the present upheavals in the middle east, then count me in.

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RE: Malala Yousafzai - 10/11/2014 3:15:02 PM   
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That would be a whole new thread topic, realistically.


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