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Lucylastic -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 11:57:15 AM)

You are too smart to put that up as his POV Aylee, If you seriously think that is his thoughts, you are being dishonest with yourself more than anyone else.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 12:22:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

here's an IDEA, if someone is misunderstanding what you are saying, MAYBE explain your position rather than just CALL THEM NAMES?

WHAT A CONCEPT

cause I definitely see her point. if not having guns saves lives, and someone is attacked with a knife or club, and the victim has NO GUN, who's live is saved? NOT THE VICTEM'S



Here is a better IDEA, read the fucking link. Then you might understand what I was talking about and people might not CALL YOU NAMES.

WHAT A CONCEPT.

FYI my link shows how lives have been saved due to laws being introduced. You can argue with me but you cant argue with facts.



You cannot prove a negative.

Rapes and other crimes are up.

So. . . the only people you really want to save are the bad guys. Also, women shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves.

But deaths are DOWN!!! [:D]
And yes, women do protect themselves. Just not with guns where a death would be almost guaranteed.

You gun people just cannot wrap your heads around the very simple fact that where very strict and nation-wide gun control is enforced, deaths are much lower than where these laws are not in evidence.
No matter what site or statistic you want to pull up, gun ownership and gun death (even violent crime death) per capita is higher in the US than anywhere where strict gun laws are in place.
It's a simple fact. Go look some up.




Tkman117 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:14:40 PM)

FR

Just thought I'd add my two cents because of the morons I've been reading here on this forum lately. Here in Canada, the gun used to kill Cpl. Cirillo was a gun that people were able to get their hands on more easily due to the removal of the Long Gun registry by the current conservative government. If the Canada had the same accessibility to automatic weapons that the USA has, then you'd bet your ass that more than one innocent life would have been taken that day.

How many people would have been killed in an equivalent US shooting, with an AR15 instead? I think most intelligent people could come up with a much higher number than 1 and believe that it would happen. I mean, jesus christ, I can't believe how fear based the USA and you americans on here are. It's pathetic, you people are so afraid of every little thing, so afraid to even trust that other people have your best interest at heart. But then again I look at your politics, the people running your country and the opposing political parties, and I have no reason to think you shouldn't be afraid.

On one hand you have religious extremists, and on the other you have a bunch of spineless wimps, and both are bought out by industry and big money. Here in Canada, we have issues with government, sure, but we at least respect the law, we respect our leaders. I don't like Harper, I look forward to voting him out in 2015, but our media doesnt blame him for literally everything and anything under the sun, his opponents aren't trying to impeach him over little itty bitty things, his opponents don't liken him to hitler, Mao, stalin, or try to threaten him or promote the idea of a coup or civil war.

We have respect, honour, integrity. But americans? All they do is hate, fight, complain, and fear. Our reaction to this act of murder wasn't a feeling for revenge or bigotry, but a sense of loss and sadness, and a hope and determination that such an occurrence doesn't happen again. We dont suddenly hate muslims, in fact we are facing a time where more people are coming out in support of muslims because we know that these extremists aren't the majority. We want peace, not conflict (although you people mistaken it as freedom), and I think that's the difference between us and you. We have freedom, freedom to choose how to live our lives without the need of fear always being present in our lives. You have freedom, or at least you feel like you do, to do whatever the hell you want, and that scares a lot of people.

Go ahead and call me a bigot, I don't care. I honestly dislike America, I think Americans can be fine people but in general you have your priorities all warped and twisted and it's really quite sad. You value keeping your killing machines over the safety and lives of those you love, you value your own opinions over the right for others to live the way they want, you value hate and fear because it's the only thing that seems to get people interested in your sensationalized and corrupt political and media systems. You don't care about peace, and you sure as hell don't actually care about freedom, you care about winning, being right, and being the best.

That is why America will fail, why it is failing, and it will be just another in a long line of empires to have collapsed under their own weight of ignorance, selfishness, and arrogance. Canada doesn't have everything perfect, but we're a lot closer to it than America has ever been, thats for sure.




Kirata -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:32:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Just thought I'd add my two cents because of the morons I've been reading here on this forum lately... If the Canada had the same accessibility to automatic weapons that the USA has... How many people would have been killed in an equivalent US shooting, with an AR15 instead?

An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon, moron.

K.







ydd -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:36:40 PM)

As a fellow Canadian, I applaud your post Tkman117. I am grateful this man didn't have an automatic weapon. Our local MP has been a personal friend for almost 25 years, and was in the Conservative caucus room. As more details come out, I will be interested in reading how this homeless man managed to get his hands on a 30-30 Winchester Rifle. He was nothing if not determined (or hyped on drugs) to withstand 12 bullets before the Sergeant-at-Arms finished him off..




mnottertail -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:38:05 PM)

Many ar15s were selective fire (meaning automatic mode) and they were not automatically burst fire, you had to do that bit.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:39:21 PM)

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Lucylastic -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:49:21 PM)

It hasnt really amazed me that it took 12 pages for someone to mention the name of Cpl Nathan Cirillo and or Sgt at Arms Kevin Vickers or the other chap killed in ottawa that day, Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, 53 who was killed in a targeted hit and run..
LLB did try to stick to the topic, and made a difference, and a couple of others(thank you)
I have kept out of this thread, except for calling bullshit on one posters lies since it happened. Just to see where it would go.
Nice one TK and YDD oh and Marc too.

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littleladybug -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:54:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


We have respect, honour, integrity. But americans? All they do is hate, fight, complain, and fear. Our reaction to this act of murder wasn't a feeling for revenge or bigotry, but a sense of loss and sadness, and a hope and determination that such an occurrence doesn't happen again. We dont suddenly hate muslims, in fact we are facing a time where more people are coming out in support of muslims because we know that these extremists aren't the majority. We want peace, not conflict (although you people mistaken it as freedom), and I think that's the difference between us and you. We have freedom, freedom to choose how to live our lives without the need of fear always being present in our lives. You have freedom, or at least you feel like you do, to do whatever the hell you want, and that scares a lot of people.


I REALLY, REALLY hope that you don't think you speak for all Canadians.

I know, from conversations with my Canadian friends after the shootings, that your view on things is something that they ABSOLUTELY do not share. First off....as much as they may disagree with US politics, they would NEVER speak in terms of "you people". Second, they "get it"...they understand that the world is what it is. There are people that FUCKING HATE you. To not understand that is to just be naive...and that is not what my Canadian friends are. Nope, you're not American...but you're also a target. To not understand the message behind killing the essentially unarmed person at your war memorial is to bury your head in the sand. Why in the FUCK are you not incredibly pissed off at that??? Don't hide behind the idiocy of the "Canadians are pacifists" BS.


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
Go ahead and call me a bigot, I don't care. I honestly dislike America, I think Americans can be fine people but in general you have your priorities all warped and twisted and it's really quite sad. You value keeping your killing machines over the safety and lives of those you love, you value your own opinions over the right for others to live the way they want, you value hate and fear because it's the only thing that seems to get people interested in your sensationalized and corrupt political and media systems. You don't care about peace, and you sure as hell don't actually care about freedom, you care about winning, being right, and being the best.


I won't call you a bigot...but I will call you a freaking idiot. At the very least, you are certainly NOT someone who speaks on behalf of "all Canadians".





Kirata -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:55:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Many ar15s were selective fire (meaning automatic mode) and they were not automatically burst fire, you had to do that bit.

Were. The originals from Armalite, for example. But today, "AR-15" designates a semi-auto version of the design. Actually, "AR-15" is a Colt trademark for the semi-auto variant of its M16, which in turn is a modified Armalite AR-15. Rinse and repeat.

K.






PeonForHer -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 1:58:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Just thought I'd add my two cents because of the morons I've been reading here on this forum lately... If the Canada had the same accessibility to automatic weapons that the USA has... How many people would have been killed in an equivalent US shooting, with an AR15 instead?

An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon, moron.

K.







Two different paragraphs, K. No necessary implication that the AR15 was automatic. Somewhat naughty quoting there.




ydd -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:06:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

It hasnt really amazed me that it took 12 pages for someone to mention the name of Cpl Nathan Cirillo and or Sgt at Arms Kevin Vickers or the other chap killed in ottawa that day, Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, 53 who was killed in a targeted hit and run..
LLB did try to stick to the topic, and made a difference, and a couple of others(thank you)
I have kept out of this thread, except for calling bullshit on one posters lies since it happened. Just to see where it would go.
Nice one TK and YDD oh and Marc too.

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Just to clarify, the targeted hit and run that killed Warrent Officer Patrice Vincent occurred on Monday, October 20th, in Quebec. The only connection between his death and that of Cpl. Nathan Cirillo's, is their killers were "self-radicalized".




Lucylastic -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:09:38 PM)

my bad texting...I meant week... should have rechecked my post, thank you.




Kirata -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:13:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Canadian Parliament Gives Sergeant of Arms Kevin Vickers Standing Ovation

K.





Kirata -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:22:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Two different paragraphs, K. No necessary implication that the AR15 was automatic. Somewhat naughty quoting there.

You could hurt yourself bending that far over backwards. [:D]

K.








Kirata -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:37:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ydd

He was nothing if not determined (or hyped on drugs) to withstand 12 bullets before the Sergeant-at-Arms finished him off..

Good argument against magazine capacity limits. Thanks! [:D]

K.




Aylee -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:49:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Just thought I'd add my two cents because of the morons I've been reading here on this forum lately... If the Canada had the same accessibility to automatic weapons that the USA has... How many people would have been killed in an equivalent US shooting, with an AR15 instead?

An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon, moron.

K.







Two different paragraphs, K. No necessary implication that the AR15 was automatic. Somewhat naughty quoting there.



Average Americans do not have access to automatic weapons. It is rather expensive to go through the licensing process. Now members of the military do have access but unless on the range or a mission they weapons are kept secure.

Many people assume that the "AR" stands for "Automatic Rifle," instead of Armalite. So, yeah, I think that Kirata read it correctly.




ydd -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 2:52:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: ydd

He was nothing if not determined (or hyped on drugs) to withstand 12 bullets before the Sergeant-at-Arms finished him off..

Good argument against magazine capacity limits. Thanks! [:D]

K.



Not sure if your comment is sarcasm or not K. The twelve bullets that hit the gunman came from a multitude of weapons, and with that many guns being fired, certainly explains the 30+ gunshots originally reported. As for some of the other comments early on, I have not read or seen one single thing that suggests that this was more than a lone gunman with an agenda. A coward for shooting Cpl. Cirillo in the back yes, but only one coward.

BTW, Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent is due to be laid to rest on Saturday, November 1st, in a private ceremony.




BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 3:08:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Just thought I'd add my two cents because of the morons I've been reading here on this forum lately... If the Canada had the same accessibility to automatic weapons that the USA has... How many people would have been killed in an equivalent US shooting, with an AR15 instead?

An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon, moron.

K.





I forget what did he use?




Tkman117 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/30/2014 3:10:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug


Why in the FUCK are you not incredibly pissed off at that??? Don't hide behind the idiocy of the "Canadians are pacifists" BS.


Maybe because thats exactly what the extremists want us to feel. By getting pissed off, by getting mad, by sending every fucking troop we have and expending valuable resources tracking down terrorists, we are doing exactly what they want us to do. Waste resources, sacrifice lives. They want us to fight them, they want us to be provoked, to be fearful that each muslim might be a threat, that we're fighting a war which can't be won, etc. I'm saddened by this act of terrorism, by this murder, but by keeping a cool and steady head, we have the ability to see things like they really are, instead of charging the cape like the Americans did in iraq and end up getting stabbed by the sword. This is a war of ideologies, not of strength and force, and if you respond with acts of force against an ideology, you're only going to embolden the other side.

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I won't call you a bigot...but I will call you a freaking idiot. At the very least, you are certainly NOT someone who speaks on behalf of "all Canadians".



I never said I spoke on behalf of all Canadians, but the few Canadians who have replied on this board all seem to share my sentiment. So you can take that however you want, I don't really care.




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