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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I guess the point I was making was that there are probably many reasonably important buildings in the US that get shot at and the event barely even makes the local news bulletin unless it was a mass panic or many people got shot.

The reason it hit national headlines in Canada is because it is such a rare event that it warranted being broadcast nationally.

Now confirmed to be a convert to Islam. Just like the other man who used his car a weapon.

Let's tally this up. 2 converts to Islam. 1 gun. 1 car. How about the UK? Converts to Islam stab/hack solider to death. No guns.

What is the one universal here? Islam. Not guns.

Come the day when more and more Muslims engage in random slaughter (the pace is picking up, don't forget France, either, of course or the Ft. Hood "workplace violence" or the beheading in OK), eventually the political correctness will end. Austria is already considering major changes to their laws and looking at banning sharia. Because eventually it will affect ALL of us. Those whom it affects will change their mind. Islam in its predominant form is no better than Nazism. It is a religion of hate, intolerance, and barbarism. It is genocidal. Period.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And how many have bought guns illegally in the US?

They are illegal, that means in violation of the law, and thus have no bearing on gun laws.

So you don't count them???

So deaths caused by shootings of illegal guns don't count??

The point is, it is very easy to buy illegal guns or even legal guns illegally in the US where you can't do that so easily anywhere else.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I guess the point I was making was that there are probably many reasonably important buildings in the US that get shot at and the event barely even makes the local news bulletin unless it was a mass panic or many people got shot.

The reason it hit national headlines in Canada is because it is such a rare event that it warranted being broadcast nationally.

Now confirmed to be a convert to Islam. Just like the other man who used his car a weapon.

Let's tally this up. 2 converts to Islam. 1 gun. 1 car. How about the UK? Converts to Islam stab/hack solider to death. No guns.

What is the one universal here? Islam. Not guns.

Come the day when more and more Muslims engage in random slaughter (the pace is picking up, don't forget France, either, of course or the Ft. Hood "workplace violence" or the beheading in OK), eventually the political correctness will end. Austria is already considering major changes to their laws and looking at banning sharia. Because eventually it will affect ALL of us. Those whom it affects will change their mind. Islam in its predominant form is no better than Nazism. It is a religion of hate, intolerance, and barbarism. It is genocidal. Period.

And jlf's question was about..... guns being used in this particular crime.
Not religion.

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

Fr,

FD you do love to rail against the US gun laws. So what do you think should be done? Should the US ban gun ownership and send police door to door to gather them up?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
why do you feel the need to just make stuff up to try to make your point...

I don't.
So maybe not dozens, but shitloads more than we have.
Do you really like nit-picking??

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
the bolded part is not even CLOSE to true. I live in St Louis metro population aprox. 3 million. the nearest place for me to buy a gun is MIN 10 miles away. (its possible there are pawn shops closer that sell guns though) where I actually go to buy guns is a 45 min drive... that's taking the highway driving 60 MPH BTW

You must live in a very sparse area then! [:D]

"There are ~14,869 more gun stores in America than grocery stores. Specifically, there are 51,438 gun retailers and 36,536 grocery stores"
"There are almost as many gun dealers in America as gas stations. There are a total of 129,817 gun dealers in the country, which include retail stores (51,438), "collectors" (61,562), pawn shops (7,356), and importers and manufacturers. Meanwhile, there are 143,849 gas stations"
"There are more than twice as many gun stores in America as McDonalds restaurants. There are only 14,098 McDonalds"
"47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. with guns from 2006-2010. This was more than twice as many people as those killed by all other methods combined"Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/more-gun-stores-in-america-than-grocery-stores-2012-12

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
this is why no one really takes you seriously, you wave your arms around and scream completely false and ignorant crap...

"31 Mass shootings in the U.S. since Columbine in 1999"
"19.5/1 Ratio of people killed by guns in the U.S. compared to other developed countries in the OECD. For 15-to-20-year-olds, firearm homicide rates in the U.S. are 42.7 times higher than in other OECD countries, according to a 2011 UCLA School of Public Health study"
"80 Percent of all firearm deaths that occurred in the U.S., among the 23 developed countries looked at in the UCLA study. Eighty-seven percent of all children ages 0 to 14 killed by guns in these countries are U.S. children"
"47,500 Murders from firearms in the U.S. between the years 2001-2005 alone – and nearly 8 in 10 of these murders involved a handgun, according to the FBI"
Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/unbelievable-facts-about-guns-in-america-2012-12

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
I've actually read some things regarding guns where you made some VALID points, then two lines later you DESTROY all credibility you had with your frantic moronic arm waving

Try reading some real facts for a change.
Got creditable links to support your shit?? Most of the time you haven't.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

intolerance

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And subrosa's answer was to the actual cause, not the politically correct cause.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
First, would you mind telling me what town in the US has a dozen gun dealers along main street? My home town is 118000 people, there are 5 sporting goods stores that sell firearms, and about 9 pawn shops that sell fire arms.

That's 13 gun shops in one town.

There are approx 25 gun shops in London and the south east of just over 8.6 million people.
Just under 2x the gun stores with over 72x the population.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Second, to legally purchase a fire arm, you have to go through a criminal record check, fail that, you sol.

Apparently, not so. Not according to the BBC Panorama program.
And you can legally buy a gun at a gun fair without checks because they aren't always needed.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Third, and most important is the "This only happens in the US where you can buy a gun anywhere" crap that people keep trying to shove down our throats.

Because it's true??
You can buy a gun almost anywhere in the US and not always with checks and legally.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
My point is that it can happen anywhere, any time, whether guns are legal or not.

Then explain why gun deaths are a whole order of magnitude and more in the US compared to other OECD countries.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

Fr,

FD you do love to rail against the US gun laws. So what do you think should be done? Should the US ban gun ownership and send police door to door to gather them up?

Nope.
Strangely enough, I don't support a complete gun ban - never have in all of these gun debates.
It's the gundiots that seem to put that PoV across because they see us as having no guns at all.
Which of course, is completely untrue.

What I would like to see is something like the Australians did in 1996.
And, completely ban all guns in all public places. No exceptions except for police.
Caught with a gun in a public place?? It gets confiscated, destroyed, licensed revoked and owner prosecuted.
Second offense?? Minimum of 1 year incarceration.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

Fr,

FD you do love to rail against the US gun laws. So what do you think should be done? Should the US ban gun ownership and send police door to door to gather them up?

Nope.
Strangely enough, I don't support a complete gun ban - never have in all of these gun debates.
It's the gundiots that seem to put that PoV across because they see us as having no guns at all.
Which of course, is completely untrue.

What I would like to see is something like the Australians did in 1996.
And, completely ban all guns in all public places. No exceptions except for police.
Caught with a gun in a public place?? It gets confiscated, destroyed, licensed revoked and owner prosecuted.
Second offense?? Minimum of 1 year incarceration.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
why do you feel the need to just make stuff up to try to make your point...

I don't.
So maybe not dozens, but shitloads more than we have.
Do you really like nit-picking??

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
the bolded part is not even CLOSE to true. I live in St Louis metro population aprox. 3 million. the nearest place for me to buy a gun is MIN 10 miles away. (its possible there are pawn shops closer that sell guns though) where I actually go to buy guns is a 45 min drive... that's taking the highway driving 60 MPH BTW

You must live in a very sparse area then! [:D]

"There are ~14,869 more gun stores in America than grocery stores. Specifically, there are 51,438 gun retailers and 36,536 grocery stores"
"There are almost as many gun dealers in America as gas stations. There are a total of 129,817 gun dealers in the country, which include retail stores (51,438), "collectors" (61,562), pawn shops (7,356), and importers and manufacturers. Meanwhile, there are 143,849 gas stations"
"There are more than twice as many gun stores in America as McDonalds restaurants. There are only 14,098 McDonalds"
"47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. with guns from 2006-2010. This was more than twice as many people as those killed by all other methods combined"Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/more-gun-stores-in-america-than-grocery-stores-2012-12

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
this is why no one really takes you seriously, you wave your arms around and scream completely false and ignorant crap...

"31 Mass shootings in the U.S. since Columbine in 1999"
"19.5/1 Ratio of people killed by guns in the U.S. compared to other developed countries in the OECD. For 15-to-20-year-olds, firearm homicide rates in the U.S. are 42.7 times higher than in other OECD countries, according to a 2011 UCLA School of Public Health study"
"80 Percent of all firearm deaths that occurred in the U.S., among the 23 developed countries looked at in the UCLA study. Eighty-seven percent of all children ages 0 to 14 killed by guns in these countries are U.S. children"
"47,500 Murders from firearms in the U.S. between the years 2001-2005 alone – and nearly 8 in 10 of these murders involved a handgun, according to the FBI"
Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/unbelievable-facts-about-guns-in-america-2012-12

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
I've actually read some things regarding guns where you made some VALID points, then two lines later you DESTROY all credibility you had with your frantic moronic arm waving

Try reading some real facts for a change.
Got creditable links to support your shit?? Most of the time you haven't.

yeah yeah REAL SPARSE metro population aprox. 3 million, why that's literally the boonies HAHAHAHAHA

GEEZZZZ do I have to PROVE the obvious EVERY DAM TIME!

http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/st-louis-population/

St. Louis has a 2014 population estimated at 317,000 in the city limits, but the Greater St. Louis area is the 19th largest metro area in the US with a population of 2.85 million.

now do you wanna see a utiltity bill and a MAP as to how close to DOWNTOWN I live?

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OPPPS


There are ~14,869 more gun stores in America than grocery stores. Specifically, there are 51,438 gun retailers and 36,536 grocery stores

http://www.manta.com/mb_34_B619B_000/grocery_stores?ftoggle-frontend-prod-on=abTests.engagement.responsive_20141009_a&utm_expid=82789632-21.i-w9zu_KTIaAx03OIeHK9w.2&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fr.search.yahoo.com%2F_ylt%3DAwrBT8nnMkhUXAYALERXNyoA%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTEzZHFzM3NuBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDUwM18x%2FRV%3D2%2FRE%3D1414046568%2FRO%3D10%2FRU%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.manta.com%252fmb_34_B619B_000%252fgrocery_stores%2FRK%3D0%2FRS%3Dl0GVDlThE3v2fCFXfCCs2pi9LZ8-

Grocery Stores in the United States

Manta has 299,955 companies under Grocery Stores in the United States



OPPSSSSS WRONG AGAIN!!!


47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. with guns from 2006-2010. This was more than twice as many people as those killed by all other methods combined

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

Motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year

year deaths

2006 42,708

2007 41,259


can I stop here of do I need to list the other 3 years auto deaths for two years are already almost DOUBLE than the period your site lists

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Strangely enough you forgot about them banning handguns, and repeaters and confiscated them. Yes I know they gave people what the government said they were worth but it was still confiscation.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I didn't say that. [8|]
I said (if you read it properly instead of cherry-picking the words), illegal guns or legal guns, illegally.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
If you can't buy apples where you are but live right next to an unguarded apple orchid - buy them from your neighbour.
It makes perfect logical sense.
That's why I say that the proliferation and ease of buying guns in the US is the cause of some of the gun crimes in Canada - because of the close proximity.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Well... generally, it doesn't happen.
At least nowhere near the scale of the US - either in sheer numbers or per capita.

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy
Wouldn't do a damn thing. Might as well make killing someone illegal.

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy
The vast majority of gun violence in the US is due to drug gangs and turf wars.

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy
You could wave a magic wand and make all privately held firearms, legal and illegal disappear. Within months, the drug gangs would be just as well armed, if not even better armed than before. The cartels would make sure their supply line is well armed. Truckloads of drugs enter this country constantly through multiple entry points. Couple that with thousands of miles of unsecured border, and the cartels would quickly see a new business opportunity. What are the odds of any particular shipping container being inspected at any of the ports? I would bet it is less than 1%. Our borders are wide open and everyone knows it.

End result of a magic wand gun confiscation would be damn near the same level of gun violence and a new revenue stream for the cartels.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1



Cut your military expenditure in half and use that money to fund border patrols and screening.
There... job done. [8D]

But we all know that won't happen because the NRA and supporters don't like that idea.
Typical US partisan politics. They couldn't agree what flavour ice cream to buy let alone what vendor! [8|]

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I guess the point I was making was that there are probably many reasonably important buildings in the US that get shot at and the event barely even makes the local news bulletin unless it was a mass panic or many people got shot.

The reason it hit national headlines in Canada is because it is such a rare event that it warranted being broadcast nationally.

Now confirmed to be a convert to Islam. Just like the other man who used his car a weapon.

Let's tally this up. 2 converts to Islam. 1 gun. 1 car. How about the UK? Converts to Islam stab/hack solider to death. No guns.

What is the one universal here? Islam. Not guns.

Come the day when more and more Muslims engage in random slaughter (the pace is picking up, don't forget France, either, of course or the Ft. Hood "workplace violence" or the beheading in OK), eventually the political correctness will end. Austria is already considering major changes to their laws and looking at banning sharia. Because eventually it will affect ALL of us. Those whom it affects will change their mind. Islam in its predominant form is no better than Nazism. It is a religion of hate, intolerance, and barbarism. It is genocidal. Period.

And jlf's question was about..... guns being used in this particular crime.
Not religion.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I didn't say that. [8|]
I said (if you read it properly instead of cherry-picking the words), illegal guns or legal guns, illegally.

As you said,

"The point is, it is very easy to buy illegal guns or even legal guns illegally in the US where you can't do that so easily anywhere else."

There is no such animal as a legal gun bought illegally. Once a gun is on the non-legal market, it's not legal, in any way, shape or form. I'm not sure, but I would venture to say that most "illegal guns" were legal at some point. But once they enter the black market, their legality goes the way of the dodo.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
If you can't buy apples where you are but live right next to an unguarded apple orchid - buy them from your neighbour.
It makes perfect logical sense.
That's why I say that the proliferation and ease of buying guns in the US is the cause of some of the gun crimes in Canada - because of the close proximity.

Sure, it's close. But, again, if you can't get it one place, what's to stop you from looking elsewhere? Goes back to that old, trite phrase..."guns don't kill people...people kill people". Your southern supply is running dry? Look to the west. I'm sure you'll find lots there.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Well... generally, it doesn't happen.
At least nowhere near the scale of the US - either in sheer numbers or per capita.

Someone (or more likely, someoneS) wanted to shoot up the Canadian capitol today. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with US gun laws. Some people WANTED to terrorize Canada. Whether they do it with guns, planes, or whatever instrument....THAT was the point.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1



Cut your military expenditure in half and use that money to fund border patrols and screening.
There... job done. [8D]

But we all know that won't happen because the NRA and supporters don't like that idea.
Typical US partisan politics. They couldn't agree what flavour ice cream to buy let alone what vendor! [8|]

Just wondering where your expertise comes from. Certainly not from British politics.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
...of course I can't counter that, its simple logic, where there are MORE guns MORE people will get shot GEZZZZZZ

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

guess what? WE WIN ON AUTO DEATHS TOO

why? cause we have MORE CARS

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
but ya know the FUNNY part here, you complaining about how SLOW we have to drive, which would have been an effort to reduce auto fatalities

funny how you COMPLAINED about that, cause obviously it INCONVIENCED YOU,

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
but since you dislike GUNS, we should be getting rid of them...

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
yeahh that tells me ALOT, you complain about one effort to reduce loss of life, but SCREAM BLOODY MURDER about the loss of life due to guns

guess what? if we restricted autos like you wanna restrict guns, ALOT LESS PEOPLE WOULD DIE TOO!

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH