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RE: Newbie needing help - 10/27/2014 5:47:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

......... 1. Calling you "slave" and herself "Goddess" is premature. She's rushing, especially if you haven't really talked to determine compatibility.
2. "Since arriving to the Nashville area I really do love it here" is very bad grammar and stilted. It makes me suspicious that English is not her native language.
3. Same with the use of the word "inquiries" instead of "questions".

I suspect an overseas scammer.


Really, I disagree. She felt a little bit old school to me. Care to explore this with me in discussion?


Sure.
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Calling him slave . . .
I am surprised to see you react negatively to her calling him slave and you're not alone in that reaction. I don't get it? If "slave" like gender identity is a personal choice... a BDSM relationship role choice, then cannot a slave be a slave even if unowned? If so, then is calling a slave, slave really improper or rushing?

Most of the people in my world address "Master John" and "slave jane" as that even upon first introduction. If slave jane, who is not anyone's property, brings you a drink, it is as proper to say, "thank you slave" as it is to say, "thank you slave jane." It is her title, her role choice and not impolite to address her as such.

I'm not from that impolite TNG "fuck you respect is earned" crowd. I open doors for ladies even if that is being chauvinistic because they are perfectly capable of opening their own doors... so I know I have a blind spot to it. Besides not addressing people by the title and gender they identify with out of disrespect, I also think some people feel slave, like sir or Master implies possession, do you?

Goddess . . .
That could go several different ways and if it was part of her screen name, it may have been more casual than anything. Otherwise, it rolls down the same road as calling a slave, slave to me.


If you were talking about people in RL who are in an existing relationship and/or have earned the title within the local or national community, I'd agree with you. But this is someone who clearly is calling a man slave and herself Mistress within the context of an online relationship with the potential to be offline. She's imposing those titles within a relationship prior to even meeting up.
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Scammer . . .
I kept in mind that the OP has a cock centric "do me" type of name, a hidden profile and had prior communications with her, but she couldn't view his profile (which is still hidden). He isn't giving up any info. So her query felt like a sincere list of things that needed to be addressed. I can only imagine the extent of their prior conversations. But, who cares if his favorite color is blue and he likes long walks on the beach if he is divorced, has no experience, 7 kids and unemployed? I think her list cut to the chase with old school expertise and warded off a potential wanker very quickly.

Wouldn't surprise me if she turned out to be a scammer, this is the internet. But why would she ask about his experience, gear, kids, pets and all those other things that bear on relationship potential factors? Why not just lay out the typical FinDomme bait about chastity and spelling out how they will be treated if they come on board? You know, the, "you will be my piggy etc". She didn't once focus on herself in her reply, she seemed interested in him and his situation as it would apply to him potentially serving her (old school focus) . . . except that how big is your house stuff. But a dowry is a formal concern. My own slave came to me with a dowry. She has a career that provides income and contributes to our sustainability. Here is how I saw what that "Goddess" said:

*Good afternoon slave (polite formal)
*Do you have a face pic? (Cares more about his looks. More concerned about attractiveness than his wallet or his kink)
*I will ask you some preliminary questions first. (Experienced domly approach, telling him what she about to require of him before doing it)
*Since arriving to the Nashville area I really do love it here. (Tells him about herself and why she is attached to her location)
* Please answer all questions and if you have inquiries I will try to get back to you as soon as I can. (Polite)
*What is your previous cuckolding experience? (Wants to know his level of experience)
*Do you own a chastity device? (Wants to know if he is geared up and ready)
*If yes what type? (Wants to know is she is familiar with is gear, whether it's time lock etc)
*Do you have children? (Wants to know about his availability and family commitment)
*Pets? (Want to know if she takes him in, does she inherit an animal too)
*What is your net monthly income? (Can he support himself and/or help support her family)
*Are you working or retired? (What are the conditions of that support and how it affects his availability)
*If working what kind of work do you do? (Typical relationship concerns, is smelly sewer worker, an executive or what?)
*Do you work from home? (Concerned about his ability to relocate and maintain his income)
*Do you own a home or rent? (Ability to relocate w/o having to sell a house first)
*What size is your home? (I have no clue unless it is his ability to have her relocate to him)
*Can you relocate if requested? (Obviously she is interested in a personal, intimate live in relationship)

Goddess

. . . I don't know DarkSteven, to me she seems like a straight up Domly type woman wondering how far her potential partner can go and what he brings to the table if they do go there. Feels like a valid, quick, cut to the chase no BS list anyone interested in a committed relationship should be expected to answer. Doesn't seem like a scam to me. Seems like a practiced old school Domme asking the right questions before she learns what his favorite color or kink is. I am very interested how you saw what she said and why it triggered your scammer flags. We both have some years behind us and I often enjoy seeing your perspectives.



Okay. Here's my take.


*Good afternoon slave (absolutely impolite unless a relationship has been established.)
*Do you have a face pic? (I agree that this shows she cares about looks. But the burning question she does NOT ask is why his profile is hidden. That's a huge red flag for a man with something to hide, like a marriage.)
*I will ask you some preliminary questions first. (Fine.)
*Since arriving to the Nashville area I really do love it here. (Stilted, and just weird. I'd say something like "I live in Nashville and love it here.")
* Please answer all questions and if you have inquiries I will try to get back to you as soon as I can. (Again, the word "inquiries" is a red flag. It's very British and not American. Sounds like an overseas scammer.)
*What is your previous cuckolding experience? (This and the next two questions raise red flags again. She's jumping right into kink before she knows him. The only women I know who do this are pros and scammers.)
*Do you own a chastity device? (WTF? If she's big into chastity, just tell him to buy something.)
*If yes what type? (Who cares? If it works, it works. It seems to me like she's feeding him kinkfantasy and trying to bait the hook with it.)
*Do you have children? (This is normal.)
*Pets? (This too.)
*What is your net monthly income? (Again, red flag. I was brought up not to ask this at this point. Asking him what he did for a living would be a far more normal question, and tells about him as a PERSON. Too many kink and money questions, not enough about him as a person.)
*Are you working or retired? (This is normal.)
*If working what kind of work do you do? (This too.)
*Do you work from home? (And this.)
*Do you own a home or rent? (I suspect this is an attempt to gauge assets.)
*What size is your home? (I assume this is a confused question to assess net worth.)
*Can you relocate if requested? (This is normal, although the "if requested" bothers me more than "if things work out". )

Goddess (again, this is presumptuous unless a solid relationship has been established.)

In addition to what I mentioned, it bothers me that the kink stuff she mentioned are cuckolding and chastity. Those, along with feminization, are way more popular with sub men than Dommes. It makes me think she's deliberately fishing for kinkmen instead of relationshipmen, which is a red flag too.


Thank you very much for writing that out. I understand your perspective fully now. Seems a bit of it, addressing him as slave, is a matter of how you view protocol in perspective to where it is used (like online vs RL). I soften my own protocol a little when writing to a slave online because of the stigma rude insta-Doms gave to high protocol terms of address like slave. I will make a lighthearted statement and refer to them as a "slave type person". That doesn't usually get a negative reaction because it's sorta' cute.

Thanks again for your reply.


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RE: Newbie needing help - 10/27/2014 9:16:34 AM   
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Maybe I overreacted. The use of "inquiries" set off red flags instantly. Rushing into kinktalk and moneytalk bothered me too. As did simple acceptance that his profile was hidden. I'd recommend he move carefully with this one. And make his profile visible.

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RE: Newbie needing help - 10/27/2014 11:44:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: needingrelease50

I just had an interaction with a Domme. Everything was going fine until I received this post which I am copying and pasting verbatim.
" Good afternoon slave I can not view your profile. Do you have a face pic? I will ask you some preliminary questions first. Since arriving to the Nashville area I really do love it here. Please answer all questions and if you have inquiries I will try to get back to you as soon as I can. What is your previous cuckolding experience? Do you own a chastity device? If yes what type? Do you have children? Pets? What is your net monthly income? Are you working or retired? If working what kind of work do you do? Do you work from home? Do you own a home or rent? What size is your home? Can you relocate if requested? Goddess"

My question is, are these the type of questions I should expect from most dominants? I really feel uncomfortable with the more personal ones. Am I being too paranoid here?


Being paranoid on the Internet is sound advice... not everyone has your best interests at heart.

From my perspective, her questions are a mixed bag of normal and sketchy. I will break it down like a few have done here:

Good afternoon slave I can not view your profile.

A good question for anyone who cannot view your profile. What bothers me about this is why is your profile hidden when you are actively seeking?

Do you have a face pic?

Normal question, again your profile is hidden so you are not offering much in the way of basic, fundamental, reasonable information so getting asked questions like this should be expected.

I will ask you some preliminary questions first.

Some of these questions would not be needed if you had a visible profile.

Since arriving to the Nashville area I really do love it here.

What leaps out to me right away when I read this is the fact that it is totally out of place within the context of the message and the logical progression. She is asking questions, she then states she will ask some preliminary questions, she follows up the above sentence requesting you to answer all of the questions. This sentence simply does not fit where it is placed. Perhaps this is hypercritical, but it stands out to me. I have read plenty of scamming emails and it seems, to a fault, there is always a glaring error somewhere, either a misspelling or a grammatical error. Grammar casual is one thing, a completely out of place sentence is another.

Please answer all questions and if you have inquiries I will try to get back to you as soon as I can.

I am not as bothered by the word "inquiries" as DarkSteven appears to be, it is a tad unusual, and I can see why he points it out. She might just be trying to sound more formal which is OK.

What is your previous cuckolding experience? Do you own a chastity device? If yes what type? Do you have children? Pets? Are you working or retired? If working what kind of work do you do? Do you work from home? Do you own a home or rent? Can you relocate if requested?

All very simple, basic questions.

What is your net monthly income?

This is where the red flags really fly. While I can understand being interested in what you do for a living, asking what you make a month is none of her fucking business. If I were in the "getting to know each other" stage, I would never presume to ask what someone's exact net monthly income is for any reason whatsoever. If you haven't covered the basics yet, jumping right into specifics of your income leads me to believe that that is what they are really interested in knowing. Let's put aside the BDSM thing for a moment, you are on a blind date with someone and they ask you the very same question, would you answer it or would you think it highly irregular? It is one thing for you to volunteer that information, it is quite another when you don't even know much about one another and someone asks what the other makes a month.

What size is your home?

This is such an odd question. While I can understand asking this question later on, asking it here in the preliminary stages is highly unusual to me. It is irrelevant and doesn't quite fit into the "I want to get to know more about you" category but rather fits into the whole idea that they could be assessing your monetary value.

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When I messaged her back stating I was uncomfortable answering the personal questions even though I answered everything else openly and honestly this is what I got back.
"You are the first one to say that I have several good potential cucks now NO interest in you "


I am not sure which questions you were uncomfortable with answering, if you didn't answer questions about your pets, or if you had kids, or the like, I would move on too. If you answered everything else but the specific question regarding your income and she rejected you, I would say you dodged a bullet.

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If so what is the best way to handle these type of people without offending those that are true dominants?


Two things... "true" dominants, because the definitions of what makes one a dominant are varied, do not exist, genuine people that are dominants do exist. If you are asking about offending genuine people, go with your gut... if you are uncomfortable with answering something, don't answer it, but you should offer an explanation as to why you are uncomfortable. In my experience most genuine people will get to know each other, find common interests, establish trust, and progress into the more intimate or personal things.

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I am just wanting to learn the proper protocols so I don't misread something and miss out on an opportunity because I am being paranoid.


A certain level of paranoia is healthy.

< Message edited by Gauge -- 10/27/2014 11:45:12 AM >


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