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FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 1:29:54 AM   
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FOX New's Megan Kelly went on air not to long ago to say:

"literally allows residents to print ballots from their home computers, then encourages them to turn ballots over to collectors."

Using air quotes on the 'collectors' like its some sort of Democrat secret plot to undermine the vote with fraud. Since FOX news and its viewership are so 'concern' with voter fraud, they apparently lied over the Colorado laws on the books. The LINK HERE provides the information.

This is the sort of stuff that should....NOT....be allowable under the 1st amendment. Lying to push a political agenda while at the same time stroking fear in the populace over a false event, is not a freedom of the press. Otherwise I could walk into a crowded theater (and with my limited media ability: aka my mouth) and shout 'FIRE' and it would be protected speech. Same concept as 'fire' in a crowed theater except on a macro level!

Good thing Rachel Maddow and the journalists in Colorado have been informing the public of this blatant lie from Megan Kelly!



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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 4:48:20 AM   
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Dailykos and MSNBC dont like FOX News

Claims theyre biased

How shocking



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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 5:31:29 AM   
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HB 13-1303
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ORIGINAL: joether
FOX New's Megan Kelly went on air not to long ago to say:
"literally allows residents to print ballots from their home computers, then encourages them to turn ballots over to collectors."
Using air quotes on the 'collectors' like its some sort of Democrat secret plot to undermine the vote with fraud. Since FOX news and its viewership are so 'concern' with voter fraud, they apparently lied over the Colorado laws on the books. The LINK HERE provides the information.
This is the sort of stuff that should....NOT....be allowable under the 1st amendment. Lying to push a political agenda while at the same time stroking fear in the populace over a false event, is not a freedom of the press. Otherwise I could walk into a crowded theater (and with my limited media ability: aka my mouth) and shout 'FIRE' and it would be protected speech. Same concept as 'fire' in a crowed theater except on a macro level!
Good thing Rachel Maddow and the journalists in Colorado have been informing the public of this blatant lie from Megan Kelly!


It's a good thing Megyn Kelly is cute, otherwise, there's no reason to even have her on the screen. According to the law passed (HB 13-1303), ballots are mailed out to all voters who are registered by 22 days prior to the election. Online registration is allowed up to 8 days prior to the election.

I scanned through the bill and didn't see any mention of how an online registrant would be getting a mail-in ballot in that 2 week period that online registration is still allowed. That means, there is no mention of printing it out at home. But, it also does not stipulate that won't happen. There are to be printed ballots at polling locations for people who don't have their ballots.

The law looks like it's an attempt to move from traditional voting polls to vote-by-mail elections. What I didn't see in the bill, though, is the manner by which an online registrant is to receive a mail-in ballot. That may be where Megyn Kelly's "analysis" figgers (spelling intentional) that mail-in-ballots will be able to be printed at home. It's entirely possible that online registrants may have to actually show up at a physical location to cast their ballot, too (though I didn't see any support or refutation for that in the bill).

That doesn't change that announcing it as factual news is incorrect and definitely not up to what I would consider "proper journalistic standards."

I do have to wonder if Elections workers will have adequate time to verify registration information before a ballot is counted as a vote. Eight days prior to an election is such a short time heading into an election.

On it's face, it certainly does look like Megyn Kelly is lying through her teeth. There may be nothing more than "partisan analysis" backing the allegations.

But, there are questions that aren't answered that might support some of what she claimed.

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 5:39:44 AM   
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FOX News said something less than 100% accurate?
Say it ain't so!
If Ms. Kelly (or anyone at FOX) said the sky was blue I would go out to see for myself.



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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 6:36:40 AM   
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For the record, Megan Kelly is a political commentator, rather than a news host

The distinction will be lost on many here but, whatever.

If it isnt leftist mantra 24/7/365 its the end of the world

Leftist control freaks such as we see in the OP literally want dissenting (conservative) speech closely monitored and prosecuted for the slightest violation of certain tough "journalistic standards" that obviously wouldnt apply to the likes of Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow or any number of other leftist political commentators who routinely play fast and loose with the facts

Freedom of speech literally means nothing to leftists

If THEY want to shout "fire" in a crowded theater thats one thing

Its another if a conservative slips up and gets a fact wrong or gets carried away with their rhetoric, off with their head for "lying"

Prosecute dissent, thats the leftist way









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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 6:46:34 AM   
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Its another if a conservative slips up and gets a fact wrong or gets carried away with their rhetoric, off with their head for "lying"
Prosecute dissent, thats the leftist way


Come on, Sanity, this wasn't a "slip up," or a fact that was gotten wrong.


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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 6:47:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

HB 13-1303
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ORIGINAL: joether
FOX New's Megan Kelly went on air not to long ago to say:
"literally allows residents to print ballots from their home computers, then encourages them to turn ballots over to collectors."
Using air quotes on the 'collectors' like its some sort of Democrat secret plot to undermine the vote with fraud. Since FOX news and its viewership are so 'concern' with voter fraud, they apparently lied over the Colorado laws on the books. The LINK HERE provides the information.
This is the sort of stuff that should....NOT....be allowable under the 1st amendment. Lying to push a political agenda while at the same time stroking fear in the populace over a false event, is not a freedom of the press. Otherwise I could walk into a crowded theater (and with my limited media ability: aka my mouth) and shout 'FIRE' and it would be protected speech. Same concept as 'fire' in a crowed theater except on a macro level!
Good thing Rachel Maddow and the journalists in Colorado have been informing the public of this blatant lie from Megan Kelly!


It's a good thing Megyn Kelly is cute, otherwise, there's no reason to even have her on the screen. According to the law passed (HB 13-1303), ballots are mailed out to all voters who are registered by 22 days prior to the election. Online registration is allowed up to 8 days prior to the election.

I scanned through the bill and didn't see any mention of how an online registrant would be getting a mail-in ballot in that 2 week period that online registration is still allowed. That means, there is no mention of printing it out at home. But, it also does not stipulate that won't happen. There are to be printed ballots at polling locations for people who don't have their ballots.

The law looks like it's an attempt to move from traditional voting polls to vote-by-mail elections. What I didn't see in the bill, though, is the manner by which an online registrant is to receive a mail-in ballot. That may be where Megyn Kelly's "analysis" figgers (spelling intentional) that mail-in-ballots will be able to be printed at home. It's entirely possible that online registrants may have to actually show up at a physical location to cast their ballot, too (though I didn't see any support or refutation for that in the bill).

That doesn't change that announcing it as factual news is incorrect and definitely not up to what I would consider "proper journalistic standards."

I do have to wonder if Elections workers will have adequate time to verify registration information before a ballot is counted as a vote. Eight days prior to an election is such a short time heading into an election.

On it's face, it certainly does look like Megyn Kelly is lying through her teeth. There may be nothing more than "partisan analysis" backing the allegations.

But, there are questions that aren't answered that might support some of what she claimed.


If there had been an error to the law in some form, it would have been found when it came into law; not just mere days before an election. 'What sounds good on paper, doesn't translate into reality' would have been found doing a routine test of the system. Miss Kelly is insinuating that the printed ballots will be given to (quoting her word) "collectors", not election day representatives. With FOX News, its not hard to conjure up what is meant by 'collectors' (i.e. think ACORN). Many are calling Miss Kelly and FOX out on charges of lying. Lying means the person knows the facts/truth but are stating a different story. They would not have gone to 'press' with this....unless....their target audience would be motivated to vote (and watch their station for further developments).

If what Megan Kelly stated was true; why not post the exact information from the law itself? If one states a bill/law is incorrectly handling an issue, would it not make sense to show the text of the bill and the bill itself (i.e. foot note on where in the bill the issue is located)?


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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 6:48:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Its another if a conservative slips up and gets a fact wrong or gets carried away with their rhetoric, off with their head for "lying"
Prosecute dissent, thats the leftist way


Come on, Sanity, this wasn't a "slip up," or a fact that was gotten wrong.



Come on DS, read the full sentence


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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 6:59:37 AM   
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For the record, Megan Kelly is a political commentator, rather than a news host

The distinction will be lost on many here but, whatever.

If it isnt leftist mantra 24/7/365 its the end of the world

Leftist control freaks such as we see in the OP literally want dissenting (conservative) speech closely monitored and prosecuted for the slightest violation of certain tough "journalistic standards" that obviously wouldnt apply to the likes of Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow or any number of other leftist political commentators who routinely play fast and loose with the facts

Freedom of speech literally means nothing to leftists

If THEY want to shout "fire" in a crowded theater thats one thing

Its another if a conservative slips up and gets a fact wrong or gets carried away with their rhetoric, off with their head for "lying"

Prosecute dissent, thats the leftist way

This wasn't dissent. This was a statement of fact that was quite simply wrong. It was an attempt to inflame her audience leading up to the election with a completely false narrative. It came very close to a call for violence as did the earlier news report about the man dropping off ballots in Arizona that was also completely legal but was also hyped on FNC as some sort of illegal act and got the man involved death threats.

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 7:05:32 AM   
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Maybe she is just an airhead, which seems more likely

Is stupidity really a crime?

Or how far do leftists really want to take this 'prosecuting speech' thing. Should Jon Stewart be prosecuted for saying something tongue-in-cheek? Or should the cast of Saturday night live be prosecuted for exaggerating political issues?

Ridiculous



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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 7:17:36 AM   
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And really dk, you see this as a call for violence?

That it should be a criminal offense for that reason?

That sort of assertion is even more ridiculous

Especially in light of Obamas, "They bring a knife, we bring a gun" speech, or many other similar examples I could bring up









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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 7:20:46 AM   
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This wasn't dissent. This was a statement of fact that was quite simply wrong. It was an attempt to inflame her audience leading up to the election with a completely false narrative. It came very close to a call for violence as did the earlier news report about the man dropping off ballots in Arizona that was also completely legal but was also hyped on FNC as some sort of illegal act and got the man involved death threats.


Maybe I'm missing something here. How does what Megan Kelly stated (which is factually wrong) incite violence?

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 7:28:22 AM   
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If there had been an error to the law in some form, it would have been found when it came into law; not just mere days before an election. 'What sounds good on paper, doesn't translate into reality' would have been found doing a routine test of the system. Miss Kelly is insinuating that the printed ballots will be given to (quoting her word) "collectors", not election day representatives. With FOX News, its not hard to conjure up what is meant by 'collectors' (i.e. think ACORN). Many are calling Miss Kelly and FOX out on charges of lying. Lying means the person knows the facts/truth but are stating a different story. They would not have gone to 'press' with this....unless....their target audience would be motivated to vote (and watch their station for further developments).
If what Megan Kelly stated was true; why not post the exact information from the law itself? If one states a bill/law is incorrectly handling an issue, would it not make sense to show the text of the bill and the bill itself (i.e. foot note on where in the bill the issue is located)?


I just have to note that your KOS link didn't link to the text of the bill, either. I had to go search that out myself. So, KOS didn't do much more supporting of their response than Kelly did in making her allegation. What was it you said about holding our own to an even higher set of standards?

Have the "many" proven that Kelly and FOX know the truth (which is required for her/them to be lying)? If not, then, they are as poorly journalistic as Kelly and whoever wrote her script (I don't think she does her own research/writing).

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 7:37:04 AM   
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quote:

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This wasn't dissent. This was a statement of fact that was quite simply wrong. It was an attempt to inflame her audience leading up to the election with a completely false narrative. It came very close to a call for violence as did the earlier news report about the man dropping off ballots in Arizona that was also completely legal but was also hyped on FNC as some sort of illegal act and got the man involved death threats.


Maybe I'm missing something here. How does what Megan Kelly stated (which is factually wrong) incite violence?
Maybe because with some people...no matter their political outlook...all it takes is the idea that "the other side" has done something illegal. Threatening to our freedoms. Etc.

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 7:51:08 AM   
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Speech that leftists don't agree with is obviously criminal

Get on board the totalitarian express

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 10:04:42 AM   
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And really dk, you see this as a call for violence?

That it should be a criminal offense for that reason?

That sort of assertion is even more ridiculous

Especially in light of Obamas, "They bring a knife, we bring a gun" speech, or many other similar examples I could bring up

What else do you see it as? She is saying that Colorado is allowing the election to be stolen so what should "patriots" do?

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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 10:16:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

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And really dk, you see this as a call for violence?

That it should be a criminal offense for that reason?

That sort of assertion is even more ridiculous

Especially in light of Obamas, "They bring a knife, we bring a gun" speech, or many other similar examples I could bring up

What else do you see it as? She is saying that Colorado is allowing the election to be stolen so what should "patriots" do?
Funny but in listening to Megan, I didn't hear her state:

1. Colorado is allowing the election to be stolen
2. Anything at all about what "patriots" should do



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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 10:19:59 AM   
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If THEY want to shout "fire" in a crowded theater thats one thing

Its another if a conservative slips up and gets a fact wrong or gets carried away with their rhetoric, off with their head for "lying"

Prosecute dissent, thats the leftist way



Come on. That isn't true. I remember when Dan Rather got prosecuted for ... he didn't? Oh.

Okay. Well, certainly, when Eric Holder got prosecuted for ... Really? Oh.

Okay. What about the time that host at PMSNBC got canned for lying about ... Not then, either, huh?

It doesn't matter. Conservatives are all crazy racists because lefties say so. So there!







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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 11:22:33 AM   
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*screams and runs off hiding* because ebola is rampant, voter fraud is rampant, lies should be left alone to the poor stupid viewer to decide
And you are quite happy to make up shit after pile of shit.
Its an epidemic of stupid
And the repubs will take the senate again .....oh the future is so bright*puts on shades*
good luck everyone
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RE: FOX News LIES about Voting Fraud - 11/2/2014 11:38:36 AM   
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Ooh! Something dumb on cable news??? Say, did you catch the bit on CNN where they were cheering and laughing about the tape of a woman crying over how she had been called a cunt and physically assaulted?

Shut the fuck up.

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