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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 9:12:18 AM

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Well, a word is derogatory only if you give it that power.

IMO, it comes in context. When the use of the word comes from a lack of education, and respect for those you are speaking to/about, I'm not likely to give it a "pass".

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That's why many subs have no problems being addressed as sluts right by a loving master who use that word with love?

Again, it goes back to context. What is the meaning/intent behind the use of the word?

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Going back to the "hick state" issue. It's a culture that *some* people embrace, but does not define the entire population. Again, IMO, it goes back to educating oneself about things before making generalizations.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 9:21:05 AM

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No, we infact have some of the lowest tax rate in this world. Only 40% of our population pay tax, and the starting rate is only 4% if you earn 30k per annum. The highest tax bracket is only 15%, and that's for people earning 300k per annum and above. Infact, I don't understand why US don't have socialism and yet pay tax like a socialist country. And on top of that, is in debt. We barely pay any tax and we are in surpluses, despite all the benefits we dish out to the less privilege. I think it's probably more tighter distribution of funds too, to make sure the genuine needy gets it, and people can't abuse the system.

The reason is because your country is EXTREMELY small. It is a finance haven, many young professionals live or move there primarily to pursue business centric careers and you do not have our population size, military, nor are you on the UN Security Council. We are called a superpower for a reason, not just because of our might, power and GDP which is far, far higher than Singapore's will ever be, but also because of our influence and responsibility that you don't have but certainly benefit from it. I can guarantee that.

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I don't view hick as a negative word. I see it as a type of culture from people from those states. And of course those states are beautiful, as they have more nature left and less city-like areas.

I was speaking about the impressive homes, though the nature was nice as well.

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That's why many subs have no problems being addressed as sluts right by a loving master who use that word with love? The American guy who always call me gook, initially, was intentional racism, but eventually, it became a word of affection as he couldn't get me offended.

The context differs. If my friends or myself make an off color joke to each other, we know it's simply because it's the easiest thing to poke a stick at, we're laughing at prejudice itself and it's nothing we actually believe is applicable to an entire group of people.

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And you know what? We say things as it is. For example, US enslaved the blacks, and took the land away from Native Americans. But what are they doing to help them? Maybe alot, I am not in the loop about all the efforts that's been done.

And we have come really far, not only as a young nation, about 2000 years younger than most, but even in the past 50 years. I believe that is a testament in itself.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 9:30:40 AM

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I found some interesting commentary about this video. One thing I didn't realize when I first viewed it was that the video was produced by a marketing agency and that the woman in the video is an actress.

It was unfortunate that they were mostly black men on show, I'm not sure there were sinister reasons for that though. It might have been sensible to reshoot but maybe they didn't have the funding to do that. It didn't colour my opinion because I've experienced it personally from men of all colours, and in worse ways but I can see how it might colour some peoples views if this is their only experience of seeing it. You can definitely see that it added fuel to the racists arguments from the comments on YouTube. It's not a race issue so to portray it as possibly being so is wrong. The video is far from perfect but I still think its useful.

Yes, I saw those comments on YouTube as well. I also agree that this is not a race issue as such, although so many issues tend to overlap and connect to each other. It's impossible to compartmentalize and separate social issues, since they affect society as a whole, although I think a lot of people tend to do just that. That's probably why so many of these issues fail to get solved.

I'm not saying that they had any sinister motives or anything like that, but even if they did, it would not negate the overall point they're trying to make, that cat-calling and street harassment is wrong and should be stopped...somehow. I agree with that, and I think the writers of those articles agreed with that wholeheartedly as well. They might have the same goal, although they seem to differ on how best to achieve it. That happens.

One thing I seem to notice a lot in any kind of persuasive or symbolic speech like this is the portraying of "the other," whether it's someone of "the other gender," or "the other race," or "the other religion," or even "the other political party." "They" are the problem, not "us." Even if issues may be separate from each other, I notice a common thread in how the rhetoric is structured for various issues, and even for both sides of the issue.

Others in this thread have also raised the suggestion that this might happen more in America than in other countries (except Muslim countries because they're of "the other religion"). But that might be a reference to our historical record which includes some level of atrocity, lawlessness, and generally uncivilized and undisciplined behavior.

While we often try to kid ourselves into thinking that we are an "enlightened" people, there are still remnants and legacies from our past that still remain. To a large extent, we still embrace our "inner cowboy" in different ways, manifested in popular culture in multiple ways. Sexism and racism are very much a part of it, although I think those might be symptoms of a deeper problem.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 9:34:39 AM

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Guys, this thread made it past six pages, now we have to get it to ten...my 10 page fetish is going to be forced upon you all when I am at a real computer and can mega quote when I get home tonight.

10 pages or bustttt.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 10:40:31 AM

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Okay, so 10 pages and you get your happy... if it's a bust, we all get to cane you with one stroke per page. Sounds fair.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:09:07 AM

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wait, all meaning how many of you...

I know I'm not coming out of this with just 7 whacks...

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:17:20 AM

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wait, all meaning how many of you...

I know I'm not coming out of this with just 7 whacks...

Um... let me check...

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:21:08 AM

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Also I'm gonna really get my jollies if a thread with the number 10 in the title hits 10 pages.

Wait until I'm off this iPhone cause I actually really like and want to contribute to the discussion that is currently happening regard culture and race and gender roles, I want to hit 10 pages too. If I try to do it from this I'm going to butcher it.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:30:08 AM

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I'm a member of several (I'm gonna say the dirty f word)- feminist groups- on facebook. And I have a couple douchebag bro friends...the comments that have been happening where ever this is posted, are brutal and make me lose all hope.

This article alone:

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7088867/catcall-video-hollaback-rape-threats

Feminists are facing a lot of hate right now. I don't really get that, I mean feminism in its purest form is only about women having rights in society, who wouldn't want that?

It's interesting to see the backlash about it from males, a lot seem to have taken it like a personal attack. They seem to feel that all men are being demonised but they are the only ones actually saying that. I haven't read a single comment from a woman saying ALL MEN ARE EVIL or anything.

The video is a little confusing though about where the boundaries should be, I'm not sure why they left two of the comments in there. I think one person says "how are you this morning?", which isn't rude and and it doesn't seem to be accompanied by any other behaviour, so guys are like - what, we cant even say hello to people on the street any more? The male commenters have clung to that one statement though, ignored the rest and seem to have made the issue into one all about them now, dismissing the message of the video all together.It's mostly defensive bullshit, they cant really defend the actions of almost all of these males with any rational argument. It's like them being accused of being sexist (even though not all men were) has trumped the actual victims of the sexism.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:38:10 AM

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I think the video did that to honestly show the scope of it?

I don't think its fake.

And even if it were I would say it is an accurate portrayal.

Between this and gamergate, I mean what a hill to die on...all I fight for is equality and respect (they go hand in hand). I'm actually curious what would happen if they did this with a trans woman of color, because apparently in certain parts of this country they get this shit 100x worse (NOLA).

Also...some food for thought...in philly a girl was recently abducted off the street by what they now believe to be a stranger. There is a terrifying video of it, and I really challenge anyone to watch and tell me self defense classes would've helped her or call her pathetic for not escaping...

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:46:16 AM

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Also I'm gonna really get my jollies if a thread with the number 10 in the title hits 10 pages.

Wait until I'm off this iPhone cause I actually really like and want to contribute to the discussion that is currently happening regard culture and race and gender roles, I want to hit 10 pages too. If I try to do it from this I'm going to butcher it.

I think it comes down to how sadistic our mods are. Thread lock at 9!

Jus sayin

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 11:46:33 AM

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It's interesting to see the backlash about it from males, a lot seem to have taken it like a personal attack. They seem to feel that all men are being demonised but they are the only ones actually saying that. I haven't read a single comment from a woman saying ALL MEN ARE EVIL or anything.

It's mostly defensive bullshit, they cant really defend the actions of almost all of these males with any rational argument.

The video is a little confusing though about where the boundaries should be, I'm not sure why they left two of the comments in there. I think one person says "how are you this morning?", which isn't rude and and it doesn't seem to be accompanied by any other behaviour, so guys are like - what, we cant even say hello to people on the street any more? The male commenters have clung to that one statement though, ignored the rest and seem to have made the issue into one all about them now, dismissing the message of the video all together. Like them being accused of being sexist (even though not all men were) has trumped the actual victims of the sexism.

Hey, and I'm all for shifty's 10 page fetish, lol. I agree especially with what you said. Any feminist these men accuse of saying "men are evil" never said any such thing, nor does the video suggest that. I think the issue is not that it's being done but the frequency of it. I am not sure if it's a male thing on a biological level. Twice RIGHT NEXT to me, there has been a collision. One time, yes...I was wearing a kimikal corset and miniskirt, feeling frisky. But the other time, I had on a really nice cropped neck sweater and decently mid thigh skirt.
I am used to giving a friendly nod or saying hello when I make eye contact with someone but some people just don't respond well to it. Also by her body language, you could tell she didn't want to be bothered. I get like that at times too. It's like breaking the cardinal rule of trying to pick up a woman at the gym, some girls like it but chances are everyone else thinks it's tacky.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 12:05:04 PM

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I think the video did that to honestly show the scope of it?

I don't think its fake.

And even if it were I would say it is an accurate portrayal.

Between this and gamergate, I mean what a hill to die on...all I fight for is equality and respect (they go hand in hand). I'm actually curious what would happen if they did this with a trans woman of color, because apparently in certain parts of this country they get this shit 100x worse (NOLA).

Also...some food for thought...in philly a girl was recently abducted off the street by what they now believe to be a stranger. There is a terrifying video of it, and I really challenge anyone to watch and tell me self defense classes would've helped her or call her pathetic for not escaping...

Oh I don't think its fake either, she's an actress but the set was real life and I guess they could have left that in to show that after you have heard these comments so many times, almost any comment from a male can start to get a bit wearing on the street, because you don't know the intention behind it and a lot of us have experiences where a hello on the street has turned into something else.

I would personally almost always reply with a greeting back to someone who just said hello to me though. I'm not going to let a few idiots colour my perception to everyone.

I agree about the trans woman, it would be interesting to see.

Do you have a link to the video?

This happened in London not so long ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2NsGAsbQlQ

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 12:31:31 PM

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I really thought more men would comment on this thread, I don't know why they aren't. I was particularly interested to hear the opinion of men on here, I wasn't expecting almost complete silence.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 12:46:52 PM

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http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Surveillance-Video-Shows-Struggle-as-Woman-Is-Abducted-Off-Germantown-Street-281344731.html

It's kinda confusing, cause they run through a short version of just the struggle, then it starts again with the suspect pulling in with this huge arrow. It's scary.

and let me make a disclaimer- sure women are also violent, dangerous, and capable of terrible things.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 1:35:19 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPf1-lFn0Us

women do this to & funny thing is she got the freaking number from a girl when she said : hi can I get your number for a date?
this is sexist world we live in if a man say hi to a girl in the street (never mind that she wear a very tight jeans & all that makeup ) .. they guy would be harassing that poor girl ?

girls do it with nothing?

WTF?

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 1:42:15 PM

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here is the original video if any would want to watch it ... some girls did really say : "I am sorry" ... for not giving that poor girl the number

seriously !

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 1:44:48 PM

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I've spoken up. Like I said before, some guys need to stop acting like animals when women walk down the street. Stop blaming the female because she is wearing something and then blame her because she shouldn't be wearing tight clothes or whatever. How about a man take responsibility for his own dam actions and stop acting like an animal.

I sadly did see the other video of the girl being abducted in Philly a few days ago. Its crap like that, which is very disturbing. That lady didn't do anything but walk down the street and some piece of human trash waits and then abducts her. This is no laughing matter. Not all men are animals like that. Perhaps it is time for the men who do care about these issues, to stand up to the jerks who think women are nothing more than a sex object. Yes, I am a male sub and respect women anyways. But it goes beyond that. This is a human rights issue that must be dealt with. I've read a lot of interesting books on feminism lately. Feminists make some very good points. The only one things about the nazi-feminists that I disagree with is that all men are bad. That kind of thinking only divides people who do care with the "us vs them" mentality. There are some good men who do care and want to help to make a positive differences in the world, for ALL Humans. I am one of those guys.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 2:00:32 PM

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I hafta say, most of that wouldn't happen here either.

I watched the clip several times and I'm fairly sure it just wouldn't happen.
I have never seen this sort of overt behaviour in many towns and cities across the UK.
Neither has the wife when she has been out shopping on her own.

Must be an American thing.

it isnt an american thing
its happened to me in the UK and in Canada

Indeed...I know this from the UK and Germany as well...its not an american thing...

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/4/2014 2:49:26 PM

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I hafta say, most of that wouldn't happen here either.

I watched the clip several times and I'm fairly sure it just wouldn't happen.
I have never seen this sort of overt behaviour in many towns and cities across the UK.
Neither has the wife when she has been out shopping on her own.

Must be an American thing.

it isnt an american thing
its happened to me in the UK and in Canada

Indeed...I know this from the UK and Germany as well...its not an american thing...

another one that experienced in the UK too , like lots. Also Malta, Turkey, US, Spain and Egypt. I'm hesitant to say it happens in every country but it's pretty widespread around the world.

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