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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 8:07:30 AM   
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No, what it says is what it always says. Midterms are half the turnout of Prez elections.


Every excuse in the book

Leftists just cant face the facts...

This was about Obama and his policies, and it was a huge statement by the nations voters, once in a hundred years huge

And while midterms are admittedly bad for the presidents party (extremely rarely this bad) there is a key difference

When it happens to Republicans, its after our left-of-center media and Hollywood etc had been dogging on the Republican president for several years with the worst propaganda imaginable

When it happens to Democrats, its despite the the same bad actors carrying the Democrats' water for several years

And when it happens to Republicans, all the same propagandists assure us that the Republicans are finished as a viable party













I say what I say, and there are no facts, you are simply spouting asswipe and halluctinations


Show me the facts. I see none. The facts I see is that there is a core rabid right that went and voted rabid right. Voter turnout at its lowest except in 12 states where it increased.

And fuck you and your plummeting hysterical lack of numeracy shit. It is simply a boldfaced lie to say that the nutsuckers propaganda is outdone by hollywood media.

The same bad actors with the same failed policies are running the federal legislature, one will expect them to live up to their stand of small government, eliminating their staff, and their own jobs (but what do you think? is it going to happen?) but they will fuck shit up for these two years and then go, see? I told you government doesn't work.



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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 8:31:30 AM   
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Lower turnout alone cannot account for the dramatic voter shift from leftist pie-in-the-sky, messianic hope and change propagandist lies (followed by their widely despised policy decisions) to a more down-to-Earth, practical, mainstream conservative approach to the issues

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 8:34:23 AM   
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We are all "rabid right' now, by your accounting



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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 8:46:18 AM   
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I don't think it really matters who is who. People all have their different reasons for voting for a certain person. The important thing is that people exercise their right to vote. Who or what they vote for is their personal choice.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 9:24:03 AM   
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No, what it says is what it always says. Midterms are half the turnout of Prez elections.

Leftists just cant face the facts...

This was about Obama and his policies, and it was a huge statement by the nations voters, once in a hundred years huge


Yes, Americans would rather have a second 'Great Depression'. To have boots on the ground in Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine. To have lost much of their property (including their homes). To have the richest 1% lord over us. That the middle and poor classes are lumped together without distinction. And for the coastline between Texas and Florida to be one vast puddle of oil.

You sure this is about "Obama's policies"? Americans have simply gotten dumber and forgetting history. They want the very people into office that fucked this nation up a decade ago. They listen to the honey promises that will never happen in the next year and a half.

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And while midterms are admittedly bad for the presidents party (extremely rarely this bad) there is a key difference


This is just annoying, not bad. 'Bad' would be the Republicans controlling Congress, US Supreme Court and the White House. Were they could basically dictate policy like tyrants. And have their army of 'Low Information Voters' (many with guns) supporting their every movement as the United States is dissolved into something very 'un-Founding Father-lke'.

That would be bad. What we have is just an annoyance. The GOP has a year and a half to show....something....to the American people. And the voters are REALLY pissed at Congress right now. So when nothing really gets done (or worst), there will not be to many people voting Republican/Tea Party in 2016. All those seats will be lost and more in both the House and Senate. We'll have Mrs. Clinton as our President. Just in time for two US Supreme Court candidates to be decided upon....

And that Court will shift from the five conservatives and four liberals to six liberals and three conservatives.....

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When it happens to Republicans, its after our left-of-center media and Hollywood etc had been dogging on the Republican president for several years with the worst propaganda imaginable


Mr. George W. Bush lost much in the way of credibility in Iraq and Afghanistan. People were tired that the 'Mastermind of 9/11' was not caught. That the whole set of wars was just a money grab for Defense and other Republican-sponsored companies *cough*halburton*cough*

When those WMDs didnt pan out as 'massive stockpiles' like the administration stated in 2002-2003, many were disillusioned by the lying Republican Party. And later when Americans found the Republican/Tea Party gutting regulations to keep the economy from getting fucked up, decided to vote Democrat.

Of course the Republican Gerrymandering has taken its toll on America....

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When it happens to Democrats, its despite the the same bad actors carrying the Democrats' water for several years


When Democrats fuck things up, its due to several things. That an the propaganda machines spewing misinformation 24/7 from the likes of FOX News and other conservative media. Can you tell me what the ACA is suppose to accomplish? Since you never read the document and had your mind filled with mindless bullshit on it? I read the 2409 pages. Thats why I know your full of shit on the subject!

Did you really think FOX News got the moniker "Mouthpiece of the GOP" for nothing? The amount of bullshit and lies out of that organization over the last twenty years is amazing. That conservatives suck it all up without an ounce of thought, nor the idea to check if its accurate and true. Told to not trust other media sources because they are....liberal. Do you know the root word of liberal there, Sanity? Means "FREEDOM". So yes, FOX News and other conservative media doesnt want the 'Low Information Voters' having access to FREE MEDIA. But rather...State Run Media....like something out of "1984".

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And when it happens to Republicans, all the same propagandists assure us that the Republicans are finished as a viable party.


Its not propaganda when the truth and facts are being told. Your 'side' has Creationists, mine has Scientists. Your sides believes what Big Oil demands, mine has Scientists. Your side has Big Tobacco, mine has Scientists. Your side has lunatic conspiracy theorists. mine uses the facts and evidence to determine history. Your side uses falsehoods, lies, misdirection, deceit, and 'ignoring reality'.....that's propaganda, Sanity. Mine looks at facts, figures, evidence, history....and learns from each to understand events and concepts. Your side hates thinking for itself and needs someone to think for them (i.e. Low Information Voters), mine has above 90% of scientists across the nation voting Democrat.

For the most part, Republicans are finished. The next two years Democrats can simply play the same game Republicans have done to the President. An Republicans will be seen as whiners accomplishing nothing of use. They'll try to defund the ACA another fifty times, all the while finding more and more Americans support the concept. Their ideology will be their undoing. The party will implode like rats on a sinking ship. Cutting in to each other in a sad attempt to 'be more conservative' than the next guy. All the while forgetting something....

...Most Americans do not care for the conservative stupidity, ideology or failed gimmicks/games. Democrats will simply tap into that frustration.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 9:35:29 AM   
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It is not my responsibility as a white man over 60 making over 50K to vote for a black man or woman simply because of the percent of blacks in the general population. Just as it is not a black man's responsibility to vote for a Hispanic or Asian because of their percent of population.

All our responsibilities should be only to vote for who the hell we please... is that not the way and reason for a democracy?

Butch

Not if you are Cloudboy.
A few years ago the Dems (who had total control of the state legislature) gerryamandered a district to assure that Alabama would always have a Black Representative in the (Federal) House of Representatives. The result was a district that had a 60 mile corridor that was only about 10 miles wide.
The second result was that in order to do this they had to move heavily Dem areas into the district. This resulted in them having one less seat than they had before. I wish all gerrymandering worked out as well.

Making shit up again I see.
That was Republicans who did that. The Alabama legislature was controlled by Republicans when the last redistricting was done.

This happened after the 2000 census. The Dems still controled the legislature then. When the Republicans were in charge after the 2010 they left that district intact for two reasons. One touching it would raise charges of racism and two it helped them the way it was. Read my post I said when the Dems controlled the legislature not in 2010. Typical liberal you read what you want to, not what was said.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 10:30:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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It is not my responsibility as a white man over 60 making over 50K to vote for a black man or woman simply because of the percent of blacks in the general population. Just as it is not a black man's responsibility to vote for a Hispanic or Asian because of their percent of population.

All our responsibilities should be only to vote for who the hell we please... is that not the way and reason for a democracy?

Butch

Not if you are Cloudboy.
A few years ago the Dems (who had total control of the state legislature) gerryamandered a district to assure that Alabama would always have a Black Representative in the (Federal) House of Representatives. The result was a district that had a 60 mile corridor that was only about 10 miles wide.
The second result was that in order to do this they had to move heavily Dem areas into the district. This resulted in them having one less seat than they had before. I wish all gerrymandering worked out as well.

Making shit up again I see.
That was Republicans who did that. The Alabama legislature was controlled by Republicans when the last redistricting was done.

This happened after the 2000 census. The Dems still controled the legislature then. When the Republicans were in charge after the 2010 they left that district intact for two reasons. One touching it would raise charges of racism and two it helped them the way it was. Read my post I said when the Dems controlled the legislature not in 2010. Typical liberal you read what you want to, not what was said.


The last redistricting in Alabama took place In 2010-2011 by the Republican Party:

Republicans didn't just win a bunch of congressional seats last Tuesday. As astute commentators have observed, they won the power to preserve—even add to—those seats in future elections. In most places, state legislators draw districting plans for themselves and for members of Congress. Nineteen statehouses flipped last week, which means that many more congressional districts will be redrawn in the 2010 cycle in states under Republican control than under Democratic control. The GOP will surely use its legislative muscle to consolidate its wins, shoring up districts where Republicans won by a close margin and creating additional Republican seats where it can.

So both of you are correct...from a certain perspective. BamaD, you noted "a few years ago..." of the redistricting that resulted in one fewer seats for Democrats and one more for Republicans. You got wrong that this happened in 2000, under a Democratic-Controlled Legislature. DK is correct in saying that the Republican Party was in control during the latest redistricting (2010-2011).

Just for the record, I hate Gerrymandering. It is used not for bring more freedom to Americans, but creating a nobility class in which only a small percentage of the population (the party in control) has a say in what happens. So the people in the party/viewpoint that is not in 'power' has less and less reason to go to the polls. And that effect is being easily proven in district after district across the nation.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 11:18:10 AM   
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The point is that they have a small tent.

Sanity is funny because Obama was elected b/c of bigotry, but pointing out that (0) zero GOP house members were black last term is "race bating."

If Hillary runs next, all the racist whites won't be so worked up to vote "against Obama," so I'm curious how the GOP will try and electrify the base.

The GOP not only does not attract minorities, it actively drives them away:

Can the GOP ever attract black voters?

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 11:32:14 AM   
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Sanity is funny because Obama was elected b/c of bigotry, but pointing out that (0) zero GOP house members were black last term is "race bating."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Keep in mind that Tommie is a Master bater.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 12:22:27 PM   
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If Hillary runs next, all the racist whites won't be so worked up to vote "against Obama," so I'm curious how the GOP will try and electrify the base.

The GOP not only does not attract minorities, it actively drives them away


You are a liar

If you could prove that, nobody would vote for Republicans

But all you and mnot and so many other "liberals" have by way of "debate" are these petty, desperate, pathetic lies, insults, and this sad bit of race baiting...

You have to pretend that anyone disagreeing with you is a "racist" yet when confronted with Obamas relationship with his spiritual advisor and family preacher "The Reverend" Jeremiah Jackson, a true racist, we are told their racism is nothing

Shouldnt even bring it up

Its no wonder you people are losers. Everyone can see right through your elaborate yet stupid hoaxes, lies, doublespeak, and hollow, meaningless personal attacks. Homophobic slurs...

But hey, who can blame you

Its all youve got


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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 12:28:12 PM   
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He has no relationship with him, you are a liar. Perhaps you can give us credible citations of the great and voluminous works of outreach that the nutsuckers are actively engaged in to make a warm and comfortable political home to the various and sundry black folk, hispanics, asians and so on and so forth?

No? Didn't think so.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 12:34:50 PM   
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Another interesting article from the non-biased and always correct New York Times

Early Voting Numbers Look Good for Democrats

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/upshot/early-voting-election-results-hold-good-news-for-democrats.html?_r=0

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 12:56:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

It is not my responsibility as a white man over 60 making over 50K to vote for a black man or woman simply because of the percent of blacks in the general population. Just as it is not a black man's responsibility to vote for a Hispanic or Asian because of their percent of population.

All our responsibilities should be only to vote for who the hell we please... is that not the way and reason for a democracy?

Butch

Not if you are Cloudboy.
A few years ago the Dems (who had total control of the state legislature) gerryamandered a district to assure that Alabama would always have a Black Representative in the (Federal) House of Representatives. The result was a district that had a 60 mile corridor that was only about 10 miles wide.
The second result was that in order to do this they had to move heavily Dem areas into the district. This resulted in them having one less seat than they had before. I wish all gerrymandering worked out as well.

Making shit up again I see.
That was Republicans who did that. The Alabama legislature was controlled by Republicans when the last redistricting was done.

This happened after the 2000 census. The Dems still controled the legislature then. When the Republicans were in charge after the 2010 they left that district intact for two reasons. One touching it would raise charges of racism and two it helped them the way it was. Read my post I said when the Dems controlled the legislature not in 2010. Typical liberal you read what you want to, not what was said.


The last redistricting in Alabama took place In 2010-2011 by the Republican Party:

Republicans didn't just win a bunch of congressional seats last Tuesday. As astute commentators have observed, they won the power to preserve—even add to—those seats in future elections. In most places, state legislators draw districting plans for themselves and for members of Congress. Nineteen statehouses flipped last week, which means that many more congressional districts will be redrawn in the 2010 cycle in states under Republican control than under Democratic control. The GOP will surely use its legislative muscle to consolidate its wins, shoring up districts where Republicans won by a close margin and creating additional Republican seats where it can.

So both of you are correct...from a certain perspective. BamaD, you noted "a few years ago..." of the redistricting that resulted in one fewer seats for Democrats and one more for Republicans. You got wrong that this happened in 2000, under a Democratic-Controlled Legislature. DK is correct in saying that the Republican Party was in control during the latest redistricting (2010-2011).

Just for the record, I hate Gerrymandering. It is used not for bring more freedom to Americans, but creating a nobility class in which only a small percentage of the population (the party in control) has a say in what happens. So the people in the party/viewpoint that is not in 'power' has less and less reason to go to the polls. And that effect is being easily proven in district after district across the nation.

So?
That has no bearing on what the Dems did in 2000.
Also if my statement that I wish that all gerrymandering worked out this well didn't tell you that I am against it you can't read.
i even concurred that the reps hadn't fixed it.
Like DK you read what you wanted me to have said rather than what I actually said.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 1:00:47 PM   
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The point is that they have a small tent.

Sanity is funny because Obama was elected b/c of bigotry, but pointing out that (0) zero GOP house members were black last term is "race bating."

If Hillary runs next, all the racist whites won't be so worked up to vote "against Obama," so I'm curious how the GOP will try and electrify the base.

The GOP not only does not attract minorities, it actively drives them away:

Can the GOP ever attract black voters?


The first black southern senator to be elected since reconstruction was elected Tuesday, he is Republican.
Most conservatives, contrary to what you want to believe, do not oppose Obama because he is black, it is because of his policies.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 2:11:58 PM   
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It's hard to see how broader America will ever vote a Republican Candidate into the White House, especially when that candidate will have to pander to the right-wing base.

I see it as near inevitable that the "broader America" will vote in a Republican candidate. The problem, as I see it, is that liberals and progressives are not really given a choice. It's looking like we're going to be offered HRC as the heir apparent in 2016 and I sure won't be voting for her.

The democratic base is fractured right now. You have the party hardliners that want us to accept any malfeasance and any excuse because we must support the party. Then you have the "purity progressives" who actually hoped for some sort of liberal or progressive values. The leadership, of course, cares about neither position except insofar as how to "message" them properly in order to get their vote. Reading sites like dailykos is really interesting these days.

It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out but I suspect the schism will hurt blue badly in 2016. I mean seriously, how many progressives can you motivate with fear of the big bad republicans when what you're peddling is the Goldman Sachs police state? That pig is going to take an awful lot of lipstick.


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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 3:21:40 PM   
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So, you are proud to have (1) one black GOP house member out of some 200 sitting members. I've read your posting, and I'm curious if you see racism anywhere in the USA directed at minorities. The numbers in the house 200+ to 1 are lost upon you. The fact that 1/3 of GOP voters think Obama was born abroad is lost on you. The offensiveness of the Voter ID laws is lost upon you.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 3:26:18 PM   
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Republicans are also thrilled with the strong showing of their gubernatorial candidates, who were poised to sweep all of the close races and pick up one or two unexpected ones, including victories in heavily Democratic Maryland and Massachusetts.

But the celebrations should be brief. The Republican victory in the Senate — made possible in part by the target-rich environment of 2014, in which Democrats had to defend seats in six very red states — does not alter the dismal math the GOP faces going forward.

With its low standing among the young, women and especially immigrant voters, the party faces a tall order in winning the White House in 2016, when turnout will spike by roughly 40% and include many of the marginal voters who tend to vote Democratic. Its control of the Senate could also be short-lived, as the electoral map in two years will be more favorable for the Democrats. Republicans will have to defend seven Senate seats in states twice won by Obama, while Democrats have no seats up in Republican states.

To sustain Tuesday's gains, Republicans will have to demonstrate that they can govern — and bring under control the extreme elements of the party that want to define the GOP by government shutdowns and other forms of obstructionism.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/05/gop-republican-future-demographics-compromise-editorials-debates/18480863/

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 3:33:19 PM   
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The point is that they have a small tent.

Sanity is funny because Obama was elected b/c of bigotry, but pointing out that (0) zero GOP house members were black last term is "race bating."

If Hillary runs next, all the racist whites won't be so worked up to vote "against Obama," so I'm curious how the GOP will try and electrify the base.

The GOP not only does not attract minorities, it actively drives them away:

Can the GOP ever attract black voters?


The first black southern senator to be elected since reconstruction was elected Tuesday, he is Republican.
Most conservatives, contrary to what you want to believe, do not oppose Obama because he is black, it is because of his policies.

Sure...

You do know I'm actually from the south right?

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 3:33:53 PM   
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Black GOP Senator Blasts Democratic 'Race-Baiting'

Sen. Tim Scott (R-South Carolina), the first black senator elected in the South since the Reconstruction era, is no fan of racially tinged Democratic attacks on his party.

"The lowest common denominator of fear and race-baiting is something that the other party has tried to do, and the voters said 'No.' They rejected this," Scott said during a Wednesday night interview on Fox News' "Hannity."

"The voters continue to repudiate that approach to politics," he added.



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Rice: Dem racial attacks 'appalling'

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Thursday slammed Democrats who sought to use race against Republicans in the midterm elections, saying they were offensive and out of touch.

“The idea that you would play such a card and try fearmongering among minorities just because you disagree with Republicans, that they are somehow all racists, I find it appalling. I find it insulting,” she said on Fox News...


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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/6/2014 3:35:29 PM   
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Sure...

You do know I'm actually from the south right?


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