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Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:11:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As usual, you're unable to read the actual points, inventing your own reality, while whining about imaginary leftists, fans, trolls, etc. [8|]

Nothing there says it's "popular." In fact, the article says the opposite -- people have become knee-jerk "government is bad" without regard to the actual issue or evidence case by case.

What it *does* show is that many more Americans now have health insurance.

Whether these plans are "more expensive" depends on where you live and the insurance company you choose. Sometimes people make crappy decisions. My insurance hasn't changed, at all, in benefits or cost. [sm=dunno.gif] If yours has, you should look into changing it. Not complicated.

"I" didn't get any "shellacking" -- my life and business are the same as before. Some Congressional Democrats lost their seats, sure. Here, locally, we reelected our popular Democrat state senator and assembly representatives, even though I live in heavily gerrymandered rural Republican districts. Our US Senators weren't up for re-election. Our House representative ran unopposed. We re-elected our Democrat governor.

And in our town, we threw a Republican judge appointed through an asshole move (the previous judge resigned a month after the election) out of office, electing a much more popular Democrat by a 3 to 1 margin -- in a town with about 12 Democrats.

It was a good election day here. But here, we look at the people, not at the letters after their names.



"You, you, you..."

(The simplest way to tell when I have hit a troll nerve)


Nope. Used it once, in sentence one, rolled my eyes, then set about correction, accuracy, and explanation.

Try it. It's far more satisfying.

But go ahead, continue to whine about "trolls" every time you're caught with nothing. Which seems to happen a LOT.

So much so that it's even added to the signature.



Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:13:46 AM)


FR

Another takeaway, people do pay attention:

Obama: If "You don't like a particular policy or a particular president...go out & win an election



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:22:08 AM)

Now we'll see if they have any solutions.

So far, they've been nothing but "No," with nothing to offer in return.

They've got two years to show us different -- or the new kids will be voted out too.

It's what Americans do -- ping pong back and forth, throwing people out, instead of proactively pursuing solutions.



Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:30:53 AM)


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So far, they've been nothing but "No,"


A very popular position to take



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:32:44 AM)

It is. Regardless who the government is at the time.

Unfortunately, not productive, however. That's the challenge of our times.



Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:44:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It is. Regardless who the government is at the time.

Unfortunately, not productive, however. That's the challenge of our times.


The Republicans' huge landslide had absolutely nothing to do with this radical president? [:D]

Obama: My 'Policies Are On the Ballot. Every Single One of Them.'



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 9:54:00 AM)

Still, reading comprehension proves too difficult.

I said exactly the opposite. In the public's mind, government is bad.

Congressional Republicans approval tops out at 21%. Not exactly an endorsement.

Obama's approval, also low, is 42% -- twice that of Congressional Republicans. And if you're going to go by election mandates -- Obama was elected twice.

Now, I'm hardly a fan of Bush Lite. And you can tell yourself there's this big groundswell of support. But it could easily swing back in 2016.

Unless Republican leaders actually start doing something. But there's no sign of that. They will likely spend two years running for 2016.



Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:01:56 AM)



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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Still, reading comprehension proves too difficult.



Hard to blame you for lashing out like that, considering

There are polls, then there are polls that matter

Tell you what

You can keep the polls that feed your denial

I'll gladly take the polls that matter!



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:10:02 AM)

Now providing data is "lashing out."

[8|]

Same thing happened in 2010. You were all excited about the sea change. Then in 2012, Democrats gained seats in the House and took back the Senate.

Keep telling yourself its some popular mandate. But it's simply (1) people throwing the bums out and (2) Republicans nominating oligarchs for president.

You can have me eat this post in 2016 if you like. But the explanations just aren't complicated, as history keeps showing us.



Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:21:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now providing data is "lashing out."

[8|]

Same thing happened in 2010. You were all excited about the sea change. Then in 2012, Democrats gained seats in the House and took back the Senate.

Keep telling yourself its some popular mandate. But it's simply (1) people throwing the bums out and (2) Republicans nominating oligarchs for president.

You can have me eat this post in 2016 if you like. But the explanations just aren't complicated, as history keeps showing us.


The differences between the election results for those years can be reduced to voter perception, because perception is everything.

EXAMPLE -

Two days after the election this story came out: Obama authorizes 1,500 more troops for Iraq

Now, theres a chance that the timing is just a coincidence, sure.

And theres also a chance that voters don't believe in as many coincidences as they are told to believe any more. This president promised transparency and rainbows and unicorns, and everyone still wants their pony

The media had been carrying the Democrats' water for a long time, but recently Obamas goons have made the news for attacking members of the media

The perception has changed, and George Bush is no longer the bogyman

Barack Obama has assumed that role



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:23:56 AM)

As I said,

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


So far, they've been nothing but "No,"


A very popular position to take



ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It is. Regardless who the government is at the time.

Unfortunately, not productive, however. That's the challenge of our times.


...as both Bush and Bush Lite learned the hard way.

Congressional Democrats learned from the Bush years and were able to keep their 2006 seats in 2012.

If Republicans are going to hang on to the seats they gained in 2010, they'll have to show they've learned as well.

That doesn't seem likely, given their current rhetoric. I guess we'll see in a couple years.





Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:29:08 AM)


There is no Bush Lite, thats purely a product of your imagination

Obama's the real Democratic deal, people know that. And just like Jimmy Carter before him, he has badly tarnished the Democrat brand for a long time to come

Bill Clinton had the sense to move toward the center but Barack Obama is showing every sign that he fully intends to double down on "progressive" stupid



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:34:12 AM)

Quite the opposite. Obama lost the support of progressives almost immediately.

Like it or not, Obama is going to go down as the savior who brought Obamacare, flawed though it is. Republicans are going to regret not jumping on that train for decades, just as they messed up on Social Security.

You are correct about Clinton. He was saavy, when his dick wasn't out.



Sanity -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 10:47:25 AM)


Uh huh, the voters just wanted to give the Republicans another chance to jump on the Obamacare bandwagon

And they elected them to help open the illegal immigrant floodgates, too

Maybe work with Obama to hand a few more Middle East states over to ISIS

Got it



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 12:06:31 PM)

I just don't think you're going to get the reading comprehension thing.

The topic thing either. You should get a medal for most creative straw man.




TheHeretic -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 12:31:34 PM)

FR

Flailing spin from the baiters and haters aside, the President defined this election himself, before he changed his mind after seeing the results - this was a referendum on his, and the Democrats' governance of the country. They have been found wanting.

I'll now return the floor to Muse and Sanity's circle jerk. Ya'll have fun with that.




truckinslave -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 1:30:44 PM)

I clicked your link, looked at your map.
Let's assume that the map's popup conclusion is correct: 8% of Kentuckians got health insurance because of EbobmaCare- and what's more, that they give a shit.
Your map is silent about the 80% or so of Kentuckians who now pay needlessly higher premiums for their health insurance.
Your analysis is silent on the tacit fact that 90% or more of that 8% already voted Dim.

In any case, EbobamaCare hurt far more people than it helped- and the worst results are yet to come. Every Republican elected to the Senate for the first time pledged to repeal it. 29 of 60 Senators who voted for it are Senators no more.



truckinslave -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 1:36:12 PM)

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But it could easily swing back in 2016.

Unless Republican leaders actually start doing something. But there's no sign of that. They will likely spend two years running for 2016.


I think all of that is right except the underlying assumption.

The "something" Republicans were elected to do both simple and clear: Stop Ebobama!!!!!!!


We can figure out the rest later.



Musicmystery -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 1:41:51 PM)

Old business:

1) I already addressed all of this earlier in the thread. Have a look.
2) I'm no fan of Obamacare -- only that we finally have *something* -- however flawed.
3) Never said it was popular.
4) My insurance is the same. What's up with Kentucky? Unless the insurance sucked before.
5) Not "my" map -- just sharing the data.

New business:

The Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times. Obama will veto that repeal 55 times. It will give Republicans the illusion of "doing something" without actually having to propose and implement any solutions of their own.

Rich:

Already addressed as well. The incumbents were shown the door. Next election, these incumbents will be shown the door. It's how America "thinks." And in no way does that translate to support of Bush Lite's policies -- I just prefer to look at things objectively/realistically.



truckinslave -> RE: Mid Term Takeaways (11/8/2014 1:41:57 PM)

The even bigger deal is the delayed immigration amnesty.

Had he done that before the election we'd have a veto-proof House and would maybe have won every available Senate seat.

If he does it now we'll win the seat of every Dim Senator who fails to vote for Republican attempts to squash it- and maybe the seats of those who vote against impeachment, should it come to that.

The rockbottom backbones of the Dims, black voters, are beginning to understand what unbridled immigration/amnesty does to black unemployment.



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