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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/10/2014 9:07:31 PM   
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No, I am not going to contribute to your derail of my own thread

Fair enough. And since I wasn't specific. Yeah, that video looked pretty damning to me but I'm hardly surprised. Obama has lied to us on much, much larger issues and he's done it right out in public for the whole world to see.

I agree with your point whether or not this particular video turns out to be spun somehow.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/10/2014 9:37:08 PM   
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as you didnt do your research properly...for the second time, I will leave you to dance and sputter..
happy sputtering.


You think THAT makes you go from zero to troll in under a millisecond, it gets better:

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The Flip-Flopping Architect of the ACA

Last week, the D.C. Circuit ruled that the Obama administration has been implementing Obamacare illegally. Days later, a video featuring the law’s chief architect confirmed the court’s ruling and raised questions about whether administration officials knew they were breaking the law all along.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/jonathan-gruber-the-flip-flopping-architect-of-the-aca-109466.html#ixzz3IgSrNsHf


In the video, Gruber admits that Obamacare was set up specifically to punish states that didnt go along with the law, and that in essence Obama is implementing Obamacare illegally

Its a bit more complicated than that but the above article makes it very clear that Obamacares days may well be numbered due in large part to this newly found video

The video was posted over a year ago. It wasn't lost so how is it newly found?

BTW the Halbig lawsuit has the problem that everyone involved in writing the law says the intent is not what the idiot who brought the suit claims and the Court is required to listen to Congress in these matters.


I will trust the Politico over you, dk

Or any other lying leftist (such as this story exposes, going all the way to the top of the Democrat party)

No offense

And that the chief architect of Obamacare says point blank on video that the intent was to deny money to said states is damning, they may well lose this case

Its interesting to me how you can claim that night is day if it suits your cause though

Your credibility is zero, but still you are a fascinating study in denial




Maybe you should learn what he is talking about and then figure out what how it relates to what the Halbig case is about and then pull your head out of your ass.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 3:43:16 AM   
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Just noting you're far more interested in the letter after a name than truth or falsity.

Have fun.


Youre just being the usual troll

Trying your best to derail or deflect

Make the thread about Bush if you can, or me

Anything but the topic




Actually, the topic is blind partisan trolling. As usual.

The sane voices are the ones pointing out the entire circus, regardless of party, is a cluster-fuck.



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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 4:32:53 AM   
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No, I am not going to contribute to your derail of my own thread

Fair enough. And since I wasn't specific. Yeah, that video looked pretty damning to me but I'm hardly surprised. Obama has lied to us on much, much larger issues and he's done it right out in public for the whole world to see.

I agree with your point whether or not this particular video turns out to be spun somehow.


Thank you for contributing to the thread, JeffBC.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 6:01:33 PM   
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Harumph... thinking of R.A.H. and his tagline of "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." Now much stupidity does it take to in any way equate a mandatory insurance bill to affordable health care. Not even apples and oranges but apples and horse dung being equated.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 6:20:58 PM   
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Harumph... thinking of R.A.H. and his tagline of "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." Now much stupidity does it take to in any way equate a mandatory insurance bill to affordable health care. Not even apples and oranges but apples and horse dung being equated.


Whats outrageous is how, when Obama was promising that everyones insurance would go down thousands, we could keep our doctors, we could keep our plans, there would be no taxes (penalties)... He was lying, and he knew he was lying. It was a planned lie.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 7:09:02 PM   
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I kept my plan, and kept my doctor, at the same cost. Apparently, some of you are crappy shoppers.

We all knew ACA included penalties, so that's bullshit as well.




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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 7:29:29 PM   
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I kept my plan, and kept my doctor, at the same cost. Apparently, some of you are crappy shoppers.

We all knew ACA included penalties, so that's bullshit as well.


You consider yourself a representative sample

A real scientifical genius you are

As to Obamas no tax promise:

quote:

Promise #5: “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.”[15]

Reality: Obamacare contains 18 separate tax hikes, fees, and penalties, many of which heavily impact the middle class.

Altogether, Obamacare’s taxes and penalties will accumulate over $770 billion in new revenue over a 10-year period.[16] Among the taxes that will hit the middle class are the individual mandate tax, the medical device tax, and new penalties and limits on health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts.[17]




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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 7:38:03 PM   
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I consider myself someone who bought good health insurance in the first place. If you bought crappy insurance that's no longer legal, that's would likely go up, yes. About time.

If you weren't capable of understanding the penalty portion, I'm glad you at last were able to figure it out.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 8:45:23 PM   
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Yeah, as a male, I really needed that coverage for ovarian cancer to be a part of my insurance.

I know my lady is really glad that she got the coverage for testicular cancer, too.

We feel so "taken care of".







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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 8:49:28 PM   
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Seriously, you think insurance is gender specific?

No wonder you guys have so much trouble.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 9:07:47 PM   
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Seriously, you think insurance is gender specific?

No wonder you guys have so much trouble.


The topic

Ever tried discussing it

Heres a hint

It doesnt have the word "you" in it

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 9:26:36 PM   
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Yeah, as a male, I really needed that coverage for ovarian cancer to be a part of my insurance.

I know my lady is really glad that she got the coverage for testicular cancer, too.

We feel so "taken care of".







Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?


The best part is how the Democrats force people to pay extra for all that isnt it

Just in case a guy gets pregnant he can rest easy knowing that, thanks to Obamacare, he is fortunately paying extra for that coverage









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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/11/2014 9:34:52 PM   
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Seriously, you think insurance is gender specific?

No wonder you guys have so much trouble.


The topic

Ever tried discussing it

Heres a hint

It doesnt have the word "you" in it


Tried many times....despite the persecution complex.

Guess what? Insurance still isn't gender specific.


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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/12/2014 4:59:24 PM   
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Yeah, as a male, I really needed that coverage for ovarian cancer to be a part of my insurance.

I know my lady is really glad that she got the coverage for testicular cancer, too.

We feel so "taken care of".







Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?


The best part is how the Democrats force people to pay extra for all that isnt it

Just in case a guy gets pregnant he can rest easy knowing that, thanks to Obamacare, he is fortunately paying extra for that coverage

Do you have trouble understanding the concept of shared risk that underlies insurance?

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/12/2014 5:24:25 PM   
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Do you have trouble understanding the concept of shared risk that underlies insurance?


You are confusing "insurance" with "socialism"

If I maintain a healthy lifestyle etc and therefore have little risk I should have more affordable insurance, despite the Democrats trying to make everything "fair" by punishing me for my good choices in order to reward others for their bad choices

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/12/2014 8:27:02 PM   
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Its not just conservatives who lament the lies

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Obamacare's Foundation of Lies

A lie is apolitical, or at least it should be. If there is one thing that unites clear-headed Americans, it's a belief that our leaders must be transparent and honest.

And yet, there seem to be two types of lies in our political discourse: Those that hurt "my party" and "my policies"; and those that don't. We condemn the former and forgive the latter—cheapening the bond of trust that enables a society to progress.

This truism came to mind when I read a Washington Post story headlined, "Who Is Jonathon Gruber?" It was an important and workmanlike report on the Obamacare adviser who bragged about the political advantages of deceiving voters, whom Gruber called stupid.

"Those comments have struck a nerve on the right," wrote Jose A. DelReal (emphasis added), "with some of the law's critics pointing to Gruber's comments as evidence that the administration intentionally deceived the American public on the costs of the programs."

My first reaction was, "No! No! Not just on the right!" ...


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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/13/2014 6:37:06 AM   
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Do you have trouble understanding the concept of shared risk that underlies insurance?


You are confusing "insurance" with "socialism"

If I maintain a healthy lifestyle etc and therefore have little risk I should have more affordable insurance, despite the Democrats trying to make everything "fair" by punishing me for my good choices in order to reward others for their bad choices

That's not how insurance works moron.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/14/2014 4:22:23 AM   
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Surprisingly, not all Democrats are thrilled about being called "stupid voters"

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/14/2014 5:51:19 AM   
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If "one" is a representative sample.

Then there's this (from the very right wing American Thinker:

"And, of course, Mr. Beu has soured on ObamaCare. In fact, he wants it repealed. All good so far. Except that he doesn’t have any explicitly harsh words for Obama, hasn’t given up on his party, wants a single-payer system, and seems to believe that Hillary Clinton is the solution in 2016."

And, the ACA is still the Republican plan from the early 90s. They've got nothing better.

I wouldn't go as far as repeal, simply because it took the US 70 years to get even this far.

But inevitably, we'll have to adopt a single-payer system. In America, we just tend to wait for the crisis to hit first.

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