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Sanity -> Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 5:21:36 AM)
After the Democrats campaigned against everything Republican with the promise of transparency Caught on Camera: Obamacare Architect Admits Deceiving Americans to Pass Law Voters were totally lied to, and used as gullible fools "...call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever..." Hope & Change meant nothing, it was a blatant lie No surprise to me. I have been posting for years about how leftists operate

Lucylastic -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 6:39:58 AM)
So a you tube video has just been discovered from a year ago, and you are all excited about "lies" being discovered...it was addressed last year if you look up the name of the guy you claim from your rwnj site who actually DOES have the balls to suggest its...."reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube". do some research before displaying just how bloody dumb the RWNJ sites are that are just NOW making it a big deal???? or trying to. LMAO slow news day or something?

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 8:20:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic So a you tube video has just been discovered from a year ago, and you are all excited about "lies" being discovered...it was addressed last year if you look up the name of the guy you claim from your rwnj site who actually DOES have the balls to suggest its...."reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube". do some research before displaying just how bloody dumb the RWNJ sites are that are just NOW making it a big deal???? or trying to. LMAO slow news day or something? Its just now surfaced... But your response is typical of what is to be expected quote: In a newly surfaced video, one of Obamacare’s architects admits a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pass the Affordable Care Act.

Lucylastic -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 8:23:36 AM)
as you didnt do your research properly...for the second time, I will leave you to dance and sputter.. happy sputtering.

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 8:39:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic as you didnt do your research properly...for the second time, I will leave you to dance and sputter.. happy sputtering. You think THAT makes you go from zero to troll in under a millisecond, it gets better: quote: The Flip-Flopping Architect of the ACA Last week, the D.C. Circuit ruled that the Obama administration has been implementing Obamacare illegally. Days later, a video featuring the law’s chief architect confirmed the court’s ruling and raised questions about whether administration officials knew they were breaking the law all along. Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/jonathan-gruber-the-flip-flopping-architect-of-the-aca-109466.html#ixzz3IgSrNsHf In the video, Gruber admits that Obamacare was set up specifically to punish states that didnt go along with the law, and that in essence Obama is implementing Obamacare illegally Its a bit more complicated than that but the above article makes it very clear that Obamacares days may well be numbered due in large part to this newly found video

JeffBC -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 8:46:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Hope & Change meant nothing, it was a blatant lie This, I think a lot of us understand. Out of curiosity, what is your alternative? You seem to be pretty big on the Republicans who have spent the last 6 years with exactly one focus... stop Obama. And, of course, the amount of flat out lies spewed by the Republican party is well documented. So it's not exactly like your party represents an alternative to this sort of crap. This is a serious question because I need an answer. What's your plan? In specific, for instance, once we repeal the ACA what, if anything, would you do health care? Do you think it was fine before? If not, what's your thoughts?

cloudboy -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 9:25:59 AM)
You are fishing in an empty lake. Bernie Sanders, the independent congressman from VT, made these observations about Republicans in Congress. (The unmentionable actual agenda of governance.) (1) They won't do anything about climate change b/c they take too much money from Oil and Gas interests. (2) They will seek to cut taxes on the wealthy. (3) They will seek to dismantle environmental and banking regulations. (4) They will seek cuts in Social Security and Medicare. He did not comment directly on the ACA -- which so far has insured about 8 Million previously uninsured. Here's an interesting fact sheet: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/04/17/fact-sheet-affordable-care-act-numbers Republicans are particularly hostile to the individual mandate -- the element of the ACA that demands personal responsibility from everyone to contribute some share of their own money to health care. GO FIGURE.

thishereboi -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 9:37:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Hope & Change meant nothing, it was a blatant lie This, I think a lot of us understand. Out of curiosity, what is your alternative? You seem to be pretty big on the Republicans who have spent the last 6 years with exactly one focus... stop Obama. And, of course, the amount of flat out lies spewed by the Republican party is well documented. So it's not exactly like your party represents an alternative to this sort of crap. This is a serious question because I need an answer. What's your plan? In specific, for instance, once we repeal the ACA what, if anything, would you do health care? Do you think it was fine before? If not, what's your thoughts? I can't say what they want in place of it because to be honest I think you are right when you say they have been too busy screaming obamacare oh no to even think about it. I would like to think that they might in the future but I haven't seen any sign of it. But if they do torpedo the ACA I hope the first thing they do is make sure they adjust medicare so the ones who were picked up don't get dropped again.

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 9:42:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Hope & Change meant nothing, it was a blatant lie This, I think a lot of us understand. Out of curiosity, what is your alternative? You seem to be pretty big on the Republicans who have spent the last 6 years with exactly one focus... stop Obama. And, of course, the amount of flat out lies spewed by the Republican party is well documented. So it's not exactly like your party represents an alternative to this sort of crap. This is a serious question because I need an answer. What's your plan? In specific, for instance, once we repeal the ACA what, if anything, would you do health care? Do you think it was fine before? If not, what's your thoughts? No, I am not going to contribute to your derail of my own thread Start a thread about to socialism alternatives and I might contribute Which a major revelation here, is how the Democrats kept it secret from the voters that the key to Obamacare was robbing every hard working Peter in order to make couch potato Paul nice and comfy I appreciate that you are a relatively considerate, thoughtful poster though. Seriously.

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 9:47:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I can't say what they want in place of it because to be honest I think you are right when you say they have been too busy screaming obamacare oh no to even think about it. I would like to think that they might in the future but I haven't seen any sign of it. But if they do torpedo the ACA I hope the first thing they do is make sure they adjust medicare so the ones who were picked up don't get dropped again. "They" arent torpedoing Obamacare Right along with the Democrat party, their widely hated legislation that was clearly based on lies is self-destructing due to the incompetence of the design team

mnottertail -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 10:02:48 AM)
Democrats did not campaign on transparency, nutsuckers campaigned on nutsuckerisms. There is no derail here, because there is nothing remarkable in what was said by this guy. Sanity spewing nutsuckerisms and jingos that cannot possibly be attributed to the guy notwithstanding.

DomKen -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 1:44:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic as you didnt do your research properly...for the second time, I will leave you to dance and sputter.. happy sputtering. You think THAT makes you go from zero to troll in under a millisecond, it gets better: quote: The Flip-Flopping Architect of the ACA Last week, the D.C. Circuit ruled that the Obama administration has been implementing Obamacare illegally. Days later, a video featuring the law’s chief architect confirmed the court’s ruling and raised questions about whether administration officials knew they were breaking the law all along. Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/jonathan-gruber-the-flip-flopping-architect-of-the-aca-109466.html#ixzz3IgSrNsHf In the video, Gruber admits that Obamacare was set up specifically to punish states that didnt go along with the law, and that in essence Obama is implementing Obamacare illegally Its a bit more complicated than that but the above article makes it very clear that Obamacares days may well be numbered due in large part to this newly found video The video was posted over a year ago. It wasn't lost so how is it newly found? BTW the Halbig lawsuit has the problem that everyone involved in writing the law says the intent is not what the idiot who brought the suit claims and the Court is required to listen to Congress in these matters.

cloudboy -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 1:50:11 PM)
See what I mean by "empty lake."

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 6:09:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic as you didnt do your research properly...for the second time, I will leave you to dance and sputter.. happy sputtering. You think THAT makes you go from zero to troll in under a millisecond, it gets better: quote: The Flip-Flopping Architect of the ACA Last week, the D.C. Circuit ruled that the Obama administration has been implementing Obamacare illegally. Days later, a video featuring the law’s chief architect confirmed the court’s ruling and raised questions about whether administration officials knew they were breaking the law all along. Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/jonathan-gruber-the-flip-flopping-architect-of-the-aca-109466.html#ixzz3IgSrNsHf In the video, Gruber admits that Obamacare was set up specifically to punish states that didnt go along with the law, and that in essence Obama is implementing Obamacare illegally Its a bit more complicated than that but the above article makes it very clear that Obamacares days may well be numbered due in large part to this newly found video The video was posted over a year ago. It wasn't lost so how is it newly found? BTW the Halbig lawsuit has the problem that everyone involved in writing the law says the intent is not what the idiot who brought the suit claims and the Court is required to listen to Congress in these matters. I will trust the Politico over you, dk Or any other lying leftist (such as this story exposes, going all the way to the top of the Democrat party) No offense And that the chief architect of Obamacare says point blank on video that the intent was to deny money to said states is damning, they may well lose this case Its interesting to me how you can claim that night is day if it suits your cause though Your credibility is zero, but still you are a fascinating study in denial

Musicmystery -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 6:52:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity After the Democrats campaigned against everything Republican ... Architect Admits Deceiving Americans ...[/link] Voters were totally lied to, and used as gullible fools "...call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever..." Turns out they're a lot like Republicans after all!

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 7:34:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Turns out they're a lot like Republicans after all! Something like the leftist propaganda about Republicans, anyway

Musicmystery -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 7:39:24 PM)
Meanwhile, back to the WND that aren't in Iraq . . .

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 7:47:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Meanwhile, back to the WND that aren't in Iraq . . . That all the Democrats before Bush preached were there Who then stabbed Bush in the back, after voting to back him

Musicmystery -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 7:51:09 PM)
Just noting you're far more interested in the letter after a name than truth or falsity. Have fun.

Sanity -> RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" (11/10/2014 8:03:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Just noting you're far more interested in the letter after a name than truth or falsity. Have fun. Youre just being the usual troll Trying your best to derail or deflect Make the thread about Bush if you can, or me Anything but the topic

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