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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 7:57:33 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Wow. Maybe those states shouldn't have decided to fuck their citizens over political positions.

Just a thought.

Or maybe we could go to the . . . oh, wait, there is no Republican plan. Fucking them over *is* their plan.

Like their VA benefits plan.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 8:50:55 PM   
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Wow. Maybe those states shouldn't have decided to fuck their citizens over political positions.

Just a thought.

Or maybe we could go to the . . . oh, wait, there is no Republican plan. Fucking them over *is* their plan.

Like their VA benefits plan.


Fucking citizens ("stupid voters") is a "liberal" position

Not every state wants to make its taxpaying citizens fall as far into a hopeless debt spiral as leftist states such as California, just to make Obamas lies seem almost palatable

And despite your talking point mantra there are many conservative alternatives to the leftist goal of government control of every citizens' health care, government control of every citizens' life









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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 9:09:35 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Unlike you, I don't cling to talking points. I like to see where things are *actually* going, so I can make effective decisions.

Interesting read -- if the Supreme Court goes against subsidies, your Republican government buds are fucked:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/11/14/a-scotus-ruling-against-obamacare-health-care-for-the-poor-but-not-for-the-working-middle-class/

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 9:21:15 PM   
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Unlike you, I don't cling to talking points. I like to see where things are *actually* going, so I can make effective decisions.

Interesting read -- if the Supreme Court goes against subsidies, your Republican government buds are fucked:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/11/14/a-scotus-ruling-against-obamacare-health-care-for-the-poor-but-not-for-the-working-middle-class/


Seriously?

All you do is shamelessly repeat yesterdays same old tired Democrat party mantra

Even when its proven a lie you show up the very next day parroting the same embarrassing lie

You are the shrillest Obama shill on here







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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 9:24:24 PM   
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As to your opinion piece

Just one more lame attempt to pin the Obamacare mess on Republicans, who cast nary a single vote for that 100% Democrat disaster

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 9:28:58 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		OK, sunshine. You tell us what Republicans next move is then.

Oh yeah...they don't have one. Because they only know how to say no.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/18/2014 9:47:04 PM   
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OK, sunshine. You tell us what Republicans next move is then.

Oh yeah...they don't have one. Because they only know how to say no.


The Republicans are just the party of no

Yet one more tired DNC talking point

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 11/19/2014 6:14:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		And yet, you can't tell us what their next move is.

Because they don't have one. Just "no." Talking point? It's reality.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/7/2014 10:51:17 AM   
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Seriously, you think insurance is gender specific?

No wonder you guys have so much trouble.


The topic

Ever tried discussing it

Heres a hint

It doesnt have the word "you" in it


Tried many times....despite the persecution complex.

Guess what? Insurance still isn't gender specific.




Another one spouting bullshit. Life and health insurance has always been rated differently for males and females. At one time even auto insurance was rated differently in all states, and is still gender specific in some states.


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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/7/2014 11:58:58 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Try again, Sockhead.

Health insurance is quoted for individuals and families primarily, as most insurance comes from group plans through employers.

And we're not talking about auto or life insurance here. Try to stay with the topic. Which helps match up this sock pretty quickly.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/7/2014 2:43:19 PM   
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Try again, Sockhead.

Health insurance is quoted for individuals and families primarily, as most insurance comes from group plans through employers.

And we're not talking about auto or life insurance here. Try to stay with the topic. Which helps match up this sock pretty quickly.


Youre thinking youre the sock?

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/7/2014 9:09:58 PM   
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Try again, Sockhead.

Health insurance is quoted for individuals and families primarily, as most insurance comes from group plans through employers.

And we're not talking about auto or life insurance here. Try to stay with the topic. Which helps match up this sock pretty quickly.


Try again fuckhead. I was talking about individual policies, but employer health plans were rated based on gender too You dont understand the topic because you are clueless about insurance. And your claim wasnt limited to health insurance.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/7/2014 9:56:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it might be important at this point, to post this link: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4712756/tm.htm

It is rare that a new member will come in speaking as if they know other members and just hop right into the argument as if it is an extension of something that has taken place prior to the current conversation.

Boy, I take a few hours off and look at the laundry I have! When met with such laundry, I tend to just toss it in without the care some others might take, simply because it multiplies so quickly and I hate when that happens.

It's not nice to multiply so quickly and expect me not to mention how quickly it multiples and how dirty it is.


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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 5:09:34 AM   
Sanity


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Harumph... thinking of R.A.H. and his tagline of "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." Now much stupidity does it take to in any way equate a mandatory insurance bill to affordable health care. Not even apples and oranges but apples and horse dung being equated.


They repeat such lies until they believe them

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 8:06:35 AM   
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Try again, Sockhead.

Health insurance is quoted for individuals and families primarily, as most insurance comes from group plans through employers.

And we're not talking about auto or life insurance here. Try to stay with the topic. Which helps match up this sock pretty quickly.


Try again fuckhead. I was talking about individual policies, but employer health plans were rated based on gender too You dont understand the topic because you are clueless about insurance. And your claim wasnt limited to health insurance.

You can stomp your feet, throw a tantrum and pout, but reality is more stubborn, Your Sockness.


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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 8:59:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		its been my experience that liberals are incapable of learning, but as other people have open minds, im going to nevertheless reply to musicmystery.

two things:

one is, if you've paid any attention at all during the Obamacare debate, you will know that the republicans did indeed offer up many solutions and a quick internet search will show them to you. although, interestingly enough, the left leaning search engines will also show you hits (preferentially actually) from left leaning rags shouting the same things you are "republicans don't have a plan!"

the second is, liberals are so big government and socialist/communist/elitist oriented, that they cannot imagine solutions to problems existing anywhere outside of government. left to its own devices, a free market capitalist system will go a long way towards alleviating many of the problems with the medical industry and its associated costs. to a conservative and liberation, insurance and government meddling are creators and drivers of the problem. the point being, republicans don't "need" a plan, they need to let the market operate on its own.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 10:32:48 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Third is, neither of those points address what I posted.

That's probably where you're falling off the learning curve -- inability to address the topic.

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 11:42:00 AM   
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Wow. Maybe those states shouldn't have decided to fuck their citizens over political positions.

Just a thought.

Or maybe we could go to the . . . oh, wait, there is no Republican plan. Fucking them over *is* their plan.

Like their VA benefits plan.


Fucking citizens ("stupid voters") is a "liberal" position

Not every state wants to make its taxpaying citizens fall as far into a hopeless debt spiral as leftist states such as California, just to make Obamas lies seem almost palatable

And despite your talking point mantra there are many conservative alternatives to the leftist goal of government control of every citizens' health care, government control of every citizens' life









True,the conservative alternative is emergency room health care......wherein once the condition becomes critical those without insurance go the their local hospital and receive care that they have no means to pay for.
That cost is than passed on to the rest of us with insurance through higher costs
Of course nowhere in that model is any attempt to bring down costs through preventive medicine or concern for those who walk through life with np safety net
WTF if they had made better choices,so the conservative mantra goes,they would have insurance.....and none of it matters anyway cause I got mine

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 11:45:55 AM   
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its been my experience that liberals are incapable of learning, but as other people have open minds, im going to nevertheless reply to musicmystery.

two things:

one is, if you've paid any attention at all during the Obamacare debate, you will know that the republicans did indeed offer up many solutions and a quick internet search will show them to you. although, interestingly enough, the left leaning search engines will also show you hits (preferentially actually) from left leaning rags shouting the same things you are "republicans don't have a plan!"

the second is, liberals are so big government and socialist/communist/elitist oriented, that they cannot imagine solutions to problems existing anywhere outside of government. left to its own devices, a free market capitalist system will go a long way towards alleviating many of the problems with the medical industry and its associated costs. to a conservative and liberation, insurance and government meddling are creators and drivers of the problem. the point being, republicans don't "need" a plan, they need to let the market operate on its own.

Only if one can afford to sit at the table in the first place.
The free market capitalist system is indeed good.....as long as you can ante up,if you can't than you are left out in the cold....which is where big government comes into play.....something you conservative types just can't wrap your heads around

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RE: Deliberate Obamacare "lack of transparency" - 12/8/2014 9:53:05 PM   
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And yet, you can't tell us what their next move is.

Because they don't have one. Just "no." Talking point? It's reality.



Haven't you been following the news. Here it is: Republicans promise new congressional push for 20-week abortion ban

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