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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/13/2014 7:22:40 PM   
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I am surprised that more democrats and liberals are not upset about being called "stupid" and "exploited."



I am thinking back on how the people who noted the very problems Gruber thought so important to hide were treated at the time of the "debate" on the proposed law. Saying the mandate was a tax, and that costs would go up was a good way to get accused of Klan membership.

Remember that goofy fucker around here who kept insisting he had read the whole thing?

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/13/2014 7:32:25 PM   
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You have to remember that most liberals favored this and felt that whatever was needed to get the rest of us to go along was ok.
They assume that they are not among the stupid.



Surprise for them, huh?

The people I feel sorriest for are the disability recipients who are getting hit with enormous shares of cost on their medical treatments, with calculations based on their gross income. It's pretty bad here in CA right now. Luckily, the Dems lost their supermajorities in the legislature, so some reason may prevail.

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/14/2014 10:08:44 AM   
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For an allegedly smart guy, this Gruber character is quite the dumbass motherfucker, isn't he? As of this typing, we are up to three videos of him bragging about how the ACA was dependent upon people being stupid and misled for passage.

Do check out his initial "apology" visit on MSNBC. Even those administration fluffers can't wipe this guy down.

It will be interesting to see how far it splatters, and how deep the damage goes.


why is it gonna splatter anywhere at all? come next election time, those that voted D in the last 2 elections will once again vote D.. and I expect both parties will have made all sorts of promises that they don't have any intention of keeping (at least in the same form as originally promised).. its the same thing that has gone on for decades tho.. now.. what was the definition of "insanity"? doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result??? so they (American voters) are both "stupid" and "insane".. just sayin'..

And if the Republican tide continues, particularly if small government types gain ground?
Of course we are stupid and insane, we are only Americans after all.

I didn't say all Americans.. just those that vote and expect their vote to do what they actually want it to.. How many times do I have to repeat that if a politicians lips are moving, they are lying... the sane & smart ones are those that buy those slimy politicians from both parties and get exactly what they want and what their bribery dollars have bought them..

So since the election is already bought and paid for anyone who votes is stupid and insane.

under this corrupt 2 party system, yup... I am pretty sure that is what I have already said, how many times to I need to repeat that?

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/14/2014 10:15:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		under this corrupt 2 party system, yup... I am pretty sure that is what I have already said, how many times to I need to repeat that?


I just like to encourage get you to continue discrediting yourself

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/14/2014 11:28:29 AM   
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You have to remember that most liberals favored this and felt that whatever was needed to get the rest of us to go along was ok.
They assume that they are not among the stupid.



Surprise for them, huh?

The people I feel sorriest for are the disability recipients who are getting hit with enormous shares of cost on their medical treatments, with calculations based on their gross income. It's pretty bad here in CA right now. Luckily, the Dems lost their supermajorities in the legislature, so some reason may prevail.



So there are disability recipients making over 400% of the federal poverty level, and getting no subsidies. You got some numbers from credible sources?


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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 11:59:18 AM   
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torpedoing any reading of the ACA as allowing subsidies for the Federal exchange.


You are conflating "reading" and "imagining".

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:01:10 PM   
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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:04:43 PM   
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I am surprised that more democrats and liberals are not upset about being called "stupid" and "exploited."


Do they even realize they are the ones being characterized?
If they do they don't care, and may well agree... after all, they generally concede their need for government help just to get through life....

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:24:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems to me plenty nutsuckers are being carachterized as stupid, because he was the creator of Romneycare and of course the great nutsucker mouthpiece Bill O'Reilly called them stupid. So the nutsuckers have the greater claim to stupid it seems to me.

So, we are still left with the vexing question, who is right? Oreilly or this guy?

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:26:34 PM   
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I am surprised that more democrats and liberals are not upset about being called "stupid" and "exploited."


Do they even realize they are the ones being characterized?
If they do they don't care, and may well agree... after all, they generally concede their need for government help just to get through life....

No, they think that it is a characterization of anyone who would have opposed Obamacare

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:26:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		No,what "they" generally concede is that there are people who do need help,and that government is best positioned to provide that help.
Do you deny that simple fact ?



not that I give a shit whether you concede that or not.....

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:29:28 PM   
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No,what "they" generally concede is that there are people who do need help,and that government is best positioned to provide that help.
Do you deny that simple fact ?



not that I give a shit whether you concede that or not.....

The government can't even handle the sign up web sites, and you think they can handle health care?

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 12:42:56 PM   
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Medicare alone is proof positive that they can.

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 2:01:52 PM   
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There are currently 10,000,000 people with health care who previously went without it...yes I think they can handle it.
Medicare alone is proof positive that they can.

and my son's insurance has come up 20% in the last year.

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 2:09:26 PM   
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Stupid is his word, Bama. While I can see arrogance in him running around, running his mouth, the way he did (and who knows how much more this Weinstein guy has compiled), I think he moves into dumbass territory.

These revelations are going to shake more than just the foundation of Obamacare. Having liberal contempt for the governed rolled out like this could reshape the Presidential field of 2016.

While you have a point, the arrogance comes in that he believes that this will not have any effect. He trusts the media to cover for him like they have since day one of this administration.


I am surprised that more democrats and liberals are not upset about being called "stupid" and "exploited."

You have to remember that most liberals favored this and felt that whatever was needed to get the rest of us to go along was ok.
They assume that they are not among the stupid.


You have to remember the fact that most liberals or any thinking person was in favor of a single payer system, which the Rs would have none of and flatly rejected, hence Republicare, to keep the status quo under some "new and improved!" name, a politically useful name that the 'liberal media' foisted upon us as "Obamacare.".

Unless you are stupid.

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 2:12:50 PM   
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Stupid is his word, Bama. While I can see arrogance in him running around, running his mouth, the way he did (and who knows how much more this Weinstein guy has compiled), I think he moves into dumbass territory.

These revelations are going to shake more than just the foundation of Obamacare. Having liberal contempt for the governed rolled out like this could reshape the Presidential field of 2016.

While you have a point, the arrogance comes in that he believes that this will not have any effect. He trusts the media to cover for him like they have since day one of this administration.


I am surprised that more democrats and liberals are not upset about being called "stupid" and "exploited."

You have to remember that most liberals favored this and felt that whatever was needed to get the rest of us to go along was ok.
They assume that they are not among the stupid.


You have to remember the fact that most liberals or any thinking person was in favor of a single payer system, which the Rs flatly rejected, hence Republicare, to keep the status quo under some "new and improved!" name.

Unless you are stupid.

I rest my case.


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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 2:22:25 PM   
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What are you resting your case upon? That the most expensive health care system in the world is something that indicates the smartness of the US and the stupidness of every other most developed country, those of which do it better, at half the price?

There was a reason he called out stupid, thanks for volunteering as prime example.



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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 2:33:17 PM   
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What are you resting your case upon? That the most expensive health care system in the world is something that indicates the smartness of the US and the stupidness of every other most developed country, those of which do it better, at half the price?

There was a reason he called out stupid, thanks for volunteering as prime example.




my contention that libs assume that they are the elite, and know what is good for us better than we do, thanks for providing a prime example.

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 2:46:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not a "lib," but thanks for the compliment anyway, because even though it's not actually a compliment, your assumptions prove the point well enough re the stupidity of people who listen to the barkers and howlers for their 'information.'

The stupid listen to the stupid, so as to remain in that comfort zone.

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RE: Gruber, and the stupidity of the American voter - 11/17/2014 3:02:17 PM   
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my contention that libs assume that they are the elite, and know what is good for us better than we do

....and Republican oligarchs assume they are the elite, and know what is good for us better than we do.

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