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PeonForHer -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 4:07:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Is that what she did?
I'm so out of the loop with pet play, was it pet play she was doing peon?

(^ now I'm genuinely curious, those are not snarky questions)





I've no idea what was in her head, shifty. She just got on with it without saying anything. I didn't see anyone else 'directing' her. I put my hand on her head because I thought this was the 'expected thing to do' - though, I haven't since found that in any book on manners and etiquette.




shiftyw -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 4:10:54 PM)

That is very strange. And yes it would be a lot to ask someone to do without previous conversations.

Annnnd now that you've all been lovely 10 page delivers, I can rest easy.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 5:19:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

That is very strange. And yes it would be a lot to ask someone to do without previous conversations.

Annnnd now that you've all been lovely 10 page delivers, I can rest easy.


Your fetish has been indulged a lot lately. WTF is up with that?




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 5:25:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
I'm not saying his spitting fetish was gross, simply while perhaps not too much to ask for, it's a tall order to fill and he should realize why it won't be somthing you come across easily, reasonable expectations are Important I think...

Sure I think it could really have helped the guy out to explain to him that going over to fet, tracking down his local play parties and saying his bit in the relevant group threads would give him a much better chance then starting a thread over here or cold calling women.


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
Also I think fet is way more fetish oriented than collarspace, it says so right in the name..

I do think the format lets a lot more cliques share the space without stepping on each others toes. But not chasing the new blood off with torches and pitchforks helps too.




GoddessManko -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 5:28:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

At a BDSM venue, once, I was sitting on what looked like a throne. A woman I didn't know came over and, without saying a word, crouched over my foot and rubbed herself off on my lower leg, just like a dog. I didn't mind. I was fascinated, actually. And of course I was flattered.

Now then, the question is this: Would it be a bad idea for, say, a maledom, to write to a woman on CM and, in his first cmail, say, 'I'd love you to crouch over my foot and bring yourself off on my leg'?


Oh..my god. How did I miss this? I completely imagined that and it made me chuckle. Especially the bolded part. I imagine peon studying her like some sort of test tube project and stroking his chin thoughtfully. And I thought my stalkers were weird, I can say "well at least they didn't try to get themselves off on my leg". I realized relatively recently the pet play thing does nothing for me. The whole "oh please, no Mistress" wounded animal look completely kills my enjoyment of the whole thing. I like reactions to be authentic, not feigned. Ugh. No. Don't ruin it by thinking I expect anything than being yourself por favor. Do not do the bad acting in porn, if I had a dick it'd go flaccid. Thanks. *Shudders*




shiftyw -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 5:30:37 PM)

I KNOW RIGHT.
Its because I actually think we're having really passionate and good discussion- I haven't even really intentionally pushed these threads over because I've just been active in the convo. I dig it though.

GotSteel got to me, and I'm all shiny new shifty though. I just do see his point, I however, feel this particular incident was not a great example...




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 5:54:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
I realized relatively recently the pet play thing does nothing for me.


I found the same thing out at kinkycon, I actually went to an intro class because the tails are cute and the jingly bells are jingly and I love leashes...

But then I saw what the play consists of.....it's really not my thing.




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 5:55:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
I just do see his point, I however, feel this particular incident was not a great example...


*sigh*

I suppose I'll have to read the original thread now.





shiftyw -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 6:00:08 PM)

I keep hearing about KinkyCon from all you other NH people and I feel totally out of the loop. I guess I really missed that boat...




DesFIP -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/24/2014 8:23:16 PM)

I think Peon has just pointed up a huge difference between men and women. A lot more men than women would enjoy having a perfect stranger come up and use them for sexual gratification without even bothering to introduce themselves. And as FO has already pointed out, more women would not enjoy this. In fact, most of us would be highly offended.

I know Steel is upset that there aren't hordes of women wanting NSA sex, but that's just how it goes. Between our predilection for relationships and the necessity of making sure that we will be safe, which is damned difficult to do when you agree to sex with a stranger, if you want a woman to indulge you, then you must indulge her. And that doesn't mean you agreeing to lick her if she blows you. Because we aren't interested in that.

Most women could go out to their local bar and find a guy more than willing to do her in the way she wants to be done. Guys can't and claiming we're racists for not doing this is just bizarre, and isn't going to change the reality of the situation in the least.




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/25/2014 5:41:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
I know Steel is upset that there aren't hordes of women wanting NSA sex, but that's just how it goes.


It wouldn't matter to me one way or the other, that's not my point at all. My issue on this topic was with the outdated sexist stereotyping.




FieryOpal -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/25/2014 6:55:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I know Steel is upset that there aren't hordes of women wanting NSA sex, but that's just how it goes.

It wouldn't matter to me one way or the other, that's not my point at all. My issue on this topic was with the outdated sexist stereotyping.


You can spin this whatever which way GS, but what is the difference between what you are advocating and promoting and a reverse form of bullying to anti-slatternism? Neologisms aside, why should it be acceptable to engage in the flipside to what is a reverse form of slut-shaming or slut-bashing?

Being challenged to *prove* that you aren't sexist or moralistic is a form of bullying, and it sullies the name of feminism because feminism is about freedom of choices, for both females and for males. The choice to be monogamous or to not engage in casual sex is a personal choice and a personal preference. What type of mate you choose for yourself is also a personal choice and is based on personal preferences. Your personal preferences have nothing to do with sexism, racism, or any other "-ism" than perhaps fetishism in some cases.

Earlier you asked what was wrong with having a fastfood mentality for instant gratification. It has to do with self-entitlements that are not a given unalienable "right," one that infringes upon the uncoerced consent of others.

When my Gen-Xer son was in school in Northern Virginia, there were girls who were being pressured into giving boys b.j.s in the back of the bus, being erroneously told that this did not *count* as being actual sex. You know, the Monica Lewinsky generation.

From http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4753581
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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali

And for some strange reason many men today feel "entitled" to sex or have it in their minds that just because they are interested in a woman that it's automatically reciprocated.




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/26/2014 6:59:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
You can spin this whatever which way GS, but what is the difference between what you are advocating and promoting and a reverse form of bullying to anti-slatternism?

What's the difference, it's that I'm not taking sides on relationships/hookups, I've very much enjoyed both.


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Neologisms aside, why should it be acceptable to engage in the flipside to what is a reverse form of slut-shaming or slut-bashing?

I don't think it should be, I've said that several times now.





Zonie63 -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/26/2014 8:25:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Earlier you asked what was wrong with having a fastfood mentality for instant gratification. It has to do with self-entitlements that are not a given unalienable "right," one that infringes upon the uncoerced consent of others.

When my Gen-Xer son was in school in Northern Virginia, there were girls who were being pressured into giving boys b.j.s in the back of the bus, being erroneously told that this did not *count* as being actual sex. You know, the Monica Lewinsky generation.

From http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4753581
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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali

And for some strange reason many men today feel "entitled" to sex or have it in their minds that just because they are interested in a woman that it's automatically reciprocated.



I'm not sure that men necessarily feel "entitled" to sex or that their interests would be automatically reciprocated. I think that men have been socialized into thinking that "persistence pays off," and that if they just keep trying and persisting, the woman will eventually change her mind. They might think that they weren't smooth or debonair enough in their approach, so they'll try again. If TV commercials are anything to go by, some might think that it's simply a matter of using a different cologne or switching to another mouthwash. I seem to recall that there was once a cologne called "Karate" which even included a pamphlet outlining various self-defense techniques for a man to fight off the hoards of females who will be attracted by the scent of the cologne. [:D]

Some men might also have an overinflated opinion of themselves that they're genuinely flabbergasted that a woman would turn them down. Competition with other men might also come into the picture if a woman chooses one man over another. Back in the old days, it was simply a matter of killing one's rival in honorable combat for the hand of the lady, but that's not really done anymore. Of course, the choice of the lady in question would not really be respected, since she would then be stuck with whoever won the battle. Even if it didn't involve armed combat, the prevailing view in society was to have arranged marriages - or at least kept within a certain class, religion, or other grouping of "acceptable" prospects.

As these kinds of ideas get filtered down through the generations into what we have today, people see a liberated, sexually-active society (or perhaps "oversexed" as some might put it) and think "Yeah, okay, I could go for this." Only instead of trying to make oneself an acceptable prospect for marriage, a lot of people think in terms of being an acceptable prospect for sex. If one is led to believe that "everybody is doing it with everybody" while concurrently believing that one is God's Gift To Women, then if a woman rejects such a man, then such a choice might seem so incredibly foolish or insane, as if she's turning down the opportunity of a lifetime.





GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/26/2014 10:36:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I've no idea what was in her head, shifty. She just got on with it without saying anything. I didn't see anyone else 'directing' her. I put my hand on her head because I thought this was the 'expected thing to do' - though, I haven't since found that in any book on manners and etiquette.


Lol, I wonder if you sat on the foot job throne or something.




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/26/2014 11:10:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
I keep hearing about KinkyCon from all you other NH people and I feel totally out of the loop. I guess I really missed that boat...


I'll talk it down if that makes you feel better, it was certainly no Flea. But I did very much enjoy having a local fetish event.




FieryOpal -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/26/2014 2:19:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I'm not sure that men necessarily feel "entitled" to sex or that their interests would be automatically reciprocated. I think that men have been socialized into thinking that "persistence pays off," and that if they just keep trying and persisting, the woman will eventually change her mind. They might think that they weren't smooth or debonair enough in their approach, so they'll try again.

Well, men like you Zonie don't feel falsely self-'entitled' because you have more class than that. [;)] ... And I've always said that Persistence Does Pay Off, however, it's a matter of having good judgment to also know that there's a time to Cut Your Losses and Run (depart, go on with life). No means No. No doesn't mean you (plural) have a green light to make an arse of yourself because your fragile ego can't handle any form of perceived rejection.

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If TV commercials are anything to go by, some might think that it's simply a matter of using a different cologne or switching to another mouthwash. I seem to recall that there was once a cologne called "Karate" which even included a pamphlet outlining various self-defense techniques for a man to fight off the hoards of females who will be attracted by the scent of the cologne. [:D]

Puh-leez, don't remind me (although I had forgotten the label). The men in my family tried out that horrible smelling Axe and I had it banned from the house. Then they were given gift sets for Xmas *argh-h*. My older one lived on his own, so not an issue. My younger has sensitive skin and was still a kid, so he didn't need to be wearing fragranced toiletries. I allowed my husband to wear it to work, since he showered (again) once he got home anyway. Not one single girlfriend or lady I knew whom I tried to give away these Axe products to wanted them; some said they could tolerate it, but didn't want more of it around. You (not you personally) guys all thought we gals liked the smell of that noxious stuff by being programmed and/or influenced by TV commercials!

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Some men might also have an overinflated opinion of themselves that they're genuinely flabbergasted that a woman would turn them down....

Only instead of trying to make oneself an acceptable prospect for marriage, a lot of people think in terms of being an acceptable prospect for sex. If one is led to believe that "everybody is doing it with everybody" while concurrently believing that one is God's Gift To Women, then if a woman rejects such a man, then such a choice might seem so incredibly foolish or insane, as if she's turning down the opportunity of a lifetime.

It's not just men, of course, who can have an over-inflated opinion of themselves. But to (over)react in a hostile, insulting manner is uncalled for. Not interested means just that. If a woman is sending mixed signals, then that's another matter.




DesFIP -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/27/2014 10:39:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Puh-leez, don't remind me (although I had forgotten the label). The men in my family tried out that horrible smelling Axe and I had it banned from the house. Not one single girlfriend or lady I knew whom I tried to give away these Axe products to wanted them; some said they could tolerate it, but didn't want more of it around.



Shudders! My son and his friends went through that phase in high school. The nastiest smelling thing imaginable. A group of them doused in it made me go around opening every window to air the house out.




Zonie63 -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/27/2014 1:15:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I'm not sure that men necessarily feel "entitled" to sex or that their interests would be automatically reciprocated. I think that men have been socialized into thinking that "persistence pays off," and that if they just keep trying and persisting, the woman will eventually change her mind. They might think that they weren't smooth or debonair enough in their approach, so they'll try again.

Well, men like you Zonie don't feel falsely self-'entitled' because you have more class than that. [;)] ... And I've always said that Persistence Does Pay Off, however, it's a matter of having good judgment to also know that there's a time to Cut Your Losses and Run (depart, go on with life). No means No. No doesn't mean you (plural) have a green light to make an arse of yourself because your fragile ego can't handle any form of perceived rejection.


I understand, although I would note that the key words here would be "good judgment." In matters of love, lust, romance, etc., good judgment often seems to be in short supply.

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If TV commercials are anything to go by, some might think that it's simply a matter of using a different cologne or switching to another mouthwash. I seem to recall that there was once a cologne called "Karate" which even included a pamphlet outlining various self-defense techniques for a man to fight off the hoards of females who will be attracted by the scent of the cologne. [:D]

Puh-leez, don't remind me (although I had forgotten the label). The men in my family tried out that horrible smelling Axe and I had it banned from the house. Then they were given gift sets for Xmas *argh-h*. My older one lived on his own, so not an issue. My younger has sensitive skin and was still a kid, so he didn't need to be wearing fragranced toiletries. I allowed my husband to wear it to work, since he showered (again) once he got home anyway. Not one single girlfriend or lady I knew whom I tried to give away these Axe products to wanted them; some said they could tolerate it, but didn't want more of it around. You (not you personally) guys all thought we gals liked the smell of that noxious stuff by being programmed and/or influenced by TV commercials!


I remember those commercials. They made it seem like women would be all over a man who wore that cologne, like they couldn't control themselves. But that's what commercials do. If a commercial showed a sexy supermodel saying "I love a man who wears his underwear on his head," then you'll probably start to see men actually do it.




GotSteel -> RE: Yep, It's Too Much to Ask a Woman to be Your Fetish/Kink Delivery System (11/30/2014 5:53:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
I think that men have been socialized into thinking that "persistence pays off," and that if they just keep trying and persisting, the woman will eventually change her mind.


So thinking about this, have you noticed that romance movies often glorify stalking?


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