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The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson


Officer Wilson WILL be charged with a crime
  2% (1)
Officer Wilson will NOT be charged with a crime
  38% (14)
I could not care less
  11% (4)
Who is officer Wilson
  16% (6)
Regardless of the decision Wilson is guilty
  19% (7)
Regardless of the decision Wilson is innocent
  11% (4)


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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/29/2014 7:54:31 AM   
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The facts in the case only remain simple, neutral, and uncontroversial in your mind. In the actual world --- many people are upset and some are rioting about what happened.

Most people I know have a hard time with:

(1) The Criminal Justice System in Ferguson (read the ArchCity Defenders report.)

(2) Wilson's conduct in this case.

(3) The lack of actual facts about what happened. One witness (Brown) is dead, the other we can't count upon to be honest or objective about what happened.

(4) The Prosecutor did not try to prosecute Wilson -- AKA treat him like a criminal defendant. Instead, he just put a pile of evidence in front of the jurors, nine of whom were white, BTW. None of Wilson's testimony was subject to cross examination.

(5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black, the poor being subjected to fines, citations, and poverty inducing bench warrants, and the "fuck you" from the criminal justice system for the families of the victims. (The shooters walk away free.)

The irony of this whole subject is how you are so absolutely tone-dead about it yet shoot your mouth off with arrogant, misplaced conclusions.

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not relevant, he should be convicted to change the system.

No. how about this.

He should have faced a jury of his peers in a court of law and a special prosecutor should have been appointed to the case. Afterwards no matter the outcome an investigative grand jury needs to look into the ways the communities in St. Louis county operate there civil and criminal justice systems. That Arch City Defenders report really is damning and everyone should read it.

All the Arch City Defenders needed to know was the respective races then, like you, they twisted the facts to fit their bias.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/29/2014 9:09:15 AM   
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So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not relevant, he should be convicted to change the system.



That's one way to express it, Bama. It's what I was saying about the individual case vs. the symbolic case. Unfortunately, some people cannot get past that, and continue to insist, against all evidence and to the damage of the greater cause, that the individual case is a good vehicle and that Brown was a perfect poster child for the struggle.



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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/29/2014 9:20:19 AM   
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No, drunk. Plenty of people drink occasionally or socially and have no problem. People with a problem drink frequently and when alone. And your posts frequently include the fact that you are drinking which I doubt is a social activity for you. You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.





Quit projecting your sad and lonely life, Ken. We are talking about your little masturbatory minstrel show, and you are still dodging the question of why you hate black people so much that you are willing to amuse yourself by turning a dead black teenager into a toy.

Besides, my last good bender was a 50th birthday celebration for a dear old friend, and what happens in Laughlin stays in Laughlin.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/29/2014 9:20:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The facts in the case only remain simple, neutral, and uncontroversial in your mind. In the actual world --- many people are upset and some are rioting about what happened.

Most people I know have a hard time with:

(1) The Criminal Justice System in Ferguson (read the ArchCity Defenders report.)

(2) Wilson's conduct in this case.

(3) The lack of actual facts about what happened. One witness (Brown) is dead, the other we can't count upon to be honest or objective about what happened.

(4) The Prosecutor did not try to prosecute Wilson -- AKA treat him like a criminal defendant. Instead, he just put a pile of evidence in front of the jurors, nine of whom were white, BTW. None of Wilson's testimony was subject to cross examination.

(5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black, the poor being subjected to fines, citations, and poverty inducing bench warrants, and the "fuck you" from the criminal justice system for the families of the victims. (The shooters walk away free.)

The irony of this whole subject is how you are so absolutely tone-dead about it yet shoot your mouth off with arrogant, misplaced conclusions.

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not relevant, he should be convicted to change the system.

No. how about this.

He should have faced a jury of his peers in a court of law and a special prosecutor should have been appointed to the case. Afterwards no matter the outcome an investigative grand jury needs to look into the ways the communities in St. Louis county operate there civil and criminal justice systems. That Arch City Defenders report really is damning and everyone should read it.


Ahhh. You want a show trial.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/29/2014 7:05:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The facts in the case only remain simple, neutral, and uncontroversial in your mind. In the actual world --- many people are upset and some are rioting about what happened.

Most people I know have a hard time with:

(1) The Criminal Justice System in Ferguson (read the ArchCity Defenders report.)

(2) Wilson's conduct in this case.

(3) The lack of actual facts about what happened. One witness (Brown) is dead, the other we can't count upon to be honest or objective about what happened.

(4) The Prosecutor did not try to prosecute Wilson -- AKA treat him like a criminal defendant. Instead, he just put a pile of evidence in front of the jurors, nine of whom were white, BTW. None of Wilson's testimony was subject to cross examination.

(5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black, the poor being subjected to fines, citations, and poverty inducing bench warrants, and the "fuck you" from the criminal justice system for the families of the victims. (The shooters walk away free.)

The irony of this whole subject is how you are so absolutely tone-dead about it yet shoot your mouth off with arrogant, misplaced conclusions.

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not relevant, he should be convicted to change the system.

No. how about this.

He should have faced a jury of his peers in a court of law and a special prosecutor should have been appointed to the case. Afterwards no matter the outcome an investigative grand jury needs to look into the ways the communities in St. Louis county operate there civil and criminal justice systems. That Arch City Defenders report really is damning and everyone should read it.

All the Arch City Defenders needed to know was the respective races then, like you, they twisted the facts to fit their bias.

Making shit up again I see. There is no way to read the report to reach that conclusion.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/29/2014 7:06:26 PM   
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No, drunk. Plenty of people drink occasionally or socially and have no problem. People with a problem drink frequently and when alone. And your posts frequently include the fact that you are drinking which I doubt is a social activity for you. You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.





Quit projecting your sad and lonely life, Ken. We are talking about your little masturbatory minstrel show, and you are still dodging the question of why you hate black people so much that you are willing to amuse yourself by turning a dead black teenager into a toy.

Besides, my last good bender was a 50th birthday celebration for a dear old friend, and what happens in Laughlin stays in Laughlin.

You really need to stop projecting your life and problems onto me.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/30/2014 5:52:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No, drunk. Plenty of people drink occasionally or socially and have no problem. People with a problem drink frequently and when alone. And your posts frequently include the fact that you are drinking which I doubt is a social activity for you. You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.





Quit projecting your sad and lonely life, Ken. We are talking about your little masturbatory minstrel show, and you are still dodging the question of why you hate black people so much that you are willing to amuse yourself by turning a dead black teenager into a toy.

Besides, my last good bender was a 50th birthday celebration for a dear old friend, and what happens in Laughlin stays in Laughlin.

You really need to stop projecting your life and problems onto me.

No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/30/2014 8:08:36 PM   
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No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.


I have to say our system is much better wherein there are virtually no trials anymore and prosecutors (especially federal ones) strong arm defendants into plea bargains 90+ percent of the time.

Also, why be stupid about Ken's point. If there was a trial, it would be trial by jury --- which is a far thing from a show trial. (Think Zimmerman.)

If all the civil unrest could have been avoided with Trial -- that might have been a preferable outcome. The prosecutor, though, from what I've read didn't want this to go to trial and soft balled the Grand Jury.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 11/30/2014 8:26:01 PM   
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No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.


I have to say our system is much better wherein there are virtually no trials anymore and prosecutors (especially federal ones) strong arm defendants into plea bargains 90+ percent of the time.

Also, why be stupid about Ken's point. If there was a trial, it would be trial by jury --- which is a far thing from a show trial. (Think Zimmerman.)

If all the civil unrest could have been avoided with Trial -- that might have been a preferable outcome. The prosecutor, though, from what I've read didn't want this to go to trial and soft balled the Grand Jury.


If Wilson were not convicted there would still been civil unrest.
So what you are really asking for is that Wilson be sacrificed for the greater good.
As both you and DK have made clear the purpose of the trial would be to "change the system". This could only be addressed by making the trial about not Wilson, but the "system". That is a show trial.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 7:09:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.


Interesting comparison, considering that those places are/were commonly referred to as "police states" where the police had license to do practically anything they wanted. Some people seem to want the same thing here for America, where the police can go around and shoot anyone they want and no one should question them for it.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 9:21:06 AM   
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You consistently read posts incorrectly -- and when you do this I usually don't respond.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 2:06:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No, drunk. Plenty of people drink occasionally or socially and have no problem. People with a problem drink frequently and when alone. And your posts frequently include the fact that you are drinking which I doubt is a social activity for you. You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.





Quit projecting your sad and lonely life, Ken. We are talking about your little masturbatory minstrel show, and you are still dodging the question of why you hate black people so much that you are willing to amuse yourself by turning a dead black teenager into a toy.

Besides, my last good bender was a 50th birthday celebration for a dear old friend, and what happens in Laughlin stays in Laughlin.

You really need to stop projecting your life and problems onto me.

No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.

No, I want a fair trial. That's why I even said a special prosecutor should have been appointed.

The fact is the prosecutor manipulated the grand jury process to get the outcome he wanted rather than put Wilson in any real jeopardy and anyone who examines the transcripts can see it. For instance the prosecutor kept bringing up "wax," pot concentrate oil, despite there being not a single shred of evidence that Brown had ever ingested it and despite the fact that pot is not known to cause violent behavior no matter how potent it is. But he got the jury thinking about it to the point where they asked more than 40 questions of various witnesses on the subject.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 2:11:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.


I have to say our system is much better wherein there are virtually no trials anymore and prosecutors (especially federal ones) strong arm defendants into plea bargains 90+ percent of the time.

Also, why be stupid about Ken's point. If there was a trial, it would be trial by jury --- which is a far thing from a show trial. (Think Zimmerman.)

If all the civil unrest could have been avoided with Trial -- that might have been a preferable outcome. The prosecutor, though, from what I've read didn't want this to go to trial and soft balled the Grand Jury.


If Wilson were not convicted there would still been civil unrest.
So what you are really asking for is that Wilson be sacrificed for the greater good.
As both you and DK have made clear the purpose of the trial would be to "change the system". This could only be addressed by making the trial about not Wilson, but the "system". That is a show trial.

Remember all the predictions of riots for after the Zimmerman trial? There were peaceful demonstrations. The fact is that as vehemently as people disagreed with the outcome they at least felt like they got something close to a fair shake. In this case everyone knows the case was rigged from the start and that is where the rage came from. Any half assed prosecutor could have gotten this through a normal grand jury or a probable cause hearing and then it would have been up to a trial court which is at least an open process.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 2:21:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

No. You want a show trial. If you do not get one you want to create one.

Note to DK: We are not Stalin's Russia or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We do not do those.


I have to say our system is much better wherein there are virtually no trials anymore and prosecutors (especially federal ones) strong arm defendants into plea bargains 90+ percent of the time.

Also, why be stupid about Ken's point. If there was a trial, it would be trial by jury --- which is a far thing from a show trial. (Think Zimmerman.)

If all the civil unrest could have been avoided with Trial -- that might have been a preferable outcome. The prosecutor, though, from what I've read didn't want this to go to trial and soft balled the Grand Jury.


If Wilson were not convicted there would still been civil unrest.
So what you are really asking for is that Wilson be sacrificed for the greater good.
As both you and DK have made clear the purpose of the trial would be to "change the system". This could only be addressed by making the trial about not Wilson, but the "system". That is a show trial.

Remember all the predictions of riots for after the Zimmerman trial? There were peaceful demonstrations. The fact is that as vehemently as people disagreed with the outcome they at least felt like they got something close to a fair shake. In this case everyone knows the case was rigged from the start and that is where the rage came from. Any half assed prosecutor could have gotten this through a normal grand jury or a probable cause hearing and then it would have been up to a trial court which is at least an open process.

The verdict of any jury is sacred ....... unless you don't like it.
You remember there were no riots right after the shooting like there was this time.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 6:21:05 PM   
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Some people seem to want the same thing here for America, where the police can go around and shoot anyone they want and no one should question them for it.


The Ferguson police were and are an excellent department that received an excellent score from the citizens of Ferguson when polled just before this incident.. Things do not change overnight. Police are not the problem. The kid was a criminal and a punk that thought he could bully a cop the same way he did the store clerk...Evidence supports the story of the police officer and all fair minded people understand this.

This was however the catalyst that released the frustration of African Americans in Ferguson and those in similar circumstances throughout the country. What they fail to realize is that the problems are with them... not outside. Change does need to happen and only they can do it for themselves. Their situation in life will not change until they keep their children in school... keep them off the street... teach them respect for all people including the police...Aid the police in solving crime...and VOTE and above all stop blaming white people for their problems and learn to solve them themselves.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 6:56:08 PM   
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Some people seem to want the same thing here for America, where the police can go around and shoot anyone they want and no one should question them for it.


The Ferguson police were and are an excellent department that received an excellent score from the citizens of Ferguson when polled just before this incident.. Things do not change overnight. Police are not the problem. The kid was a criminal and a punk that thought he could bully a cop the same way he did the store clerk...Evidence supports the story of the police officer and all fair minded people understand this.

This was however the catalyst that released the frustration of African Americans in Ferguson and those in similar circumstances throughout the country. What they fail to realize is that the problems are with them... not outside. Change does need to happen and only they can do it for themselves. Their situation in life will not change until they keep their children in school... keep them off the street... teach them respect for all people including the police...Aid the police in solving crime...and VOTE and above all stop blaming white people for their problems and learn to solve them themselves.

Butch



But the Arch City Defenders...........

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 7:01:28 PM   
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This was however the catalyst that released the frustration of African Americans in Ferguson and those in similar circumstances throughout the country. What they fail to realize is that the problems are with them... not outside. Change does need to happen and only they can do it for themselves. Their situation in life will not change until they keep their children in school... keep them off the street... teach them respect for all people including the police...Aid the police in solving crime...and VOTE and above all stop blaming white people for their problems and learn to solve them themselves.


Not spouting Aryan Taoism, but rather peacekeeping of Native American wisdom with nationalist tendencies.

Sometimes it is easier to point fingers or blame others than to take personal responsibility. If you act like a good citizen then there is less interaction with the police or negative interaction with law enforcement if you don't break the law. How about getting involved in the community in forms of government such as city council, elected office, or more men and women of a specific ethnic group getting qualified and applying for position in law enforcement to make change in the police department.
There are programs that have been introduced by the White House such as "My Brothers Keeper" asking for citizens in the African American community to step up and become mentors for children to assist in making positive change. Stepping up and becoming active can help make a positive influence and change in perceptions towards local government and daily interactions with its people.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 7:17:12 PM   
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The Ferguson police were and are an excellent department that received an excellent score from the citizens of Ferguson when polled just before this incident.. Things do not change overnight. Police are not the problem. The kid was a criminal and a punk that thought he could bully a cop the same way he did the store clerk...Evidence supports the story of the police officer and all fair minded people understand this.

This was however the catalyst that released the frustration of African Americans in Ferguson and those in similar circumstances throughout the country. What they fail to realize is that the problems are with them... not outside. Change does need to happen and only they can do it for themselves. Their situation in life will not change until they keep their children in school... keep them off the street... teach them respect for all people including the police...Aid the police in solving crime...and VOTE and above all stop blaming white people for their problems and learn to solve them themselves.

Butch



Well said I completely agree.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 8:06:48 PM   
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The Ferguson police were and are an excellent department that received an excellent score from the citizens of Ferguson when polled just before this incident.. Things do not change overnight. Police are not the problem. The kid was a criminal and a punk that thought he could bully a cop the same way he did the store clerk...Evidence supports the story of the police officer and all fair minded people understand this.

This was however the catalyst that released the frustration of African Americans in Ferguson and those in similar circumstances throughout the country. What they fail to realize is that the problems are with them... not outside. Change does need to happen and only they can do it for themselves. Their situation in life will not change until they keep their children in school... keep them off the street... teach them respect for all people including the police...Aid the police in solving crime...and VOTE and above all stop blaming white people for their problems and learn to solve them themselves.

Butch




The police and courts have acted like a racketeering operation to beat up on the poor and under-employed in Ferguson. Its not good when the police are a parasitic organization masquerading as public servants.

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"As Ray Downs from the RiverFront Times reported, the amount collected through the municipal courts seems to be inversely proportional to the wealth of the municipality. For example, the City of Pine Lawn is 96 percent black, and “ its per capita income a measly $13,000. In 2013 the city collected more than $1.7 million in fines and court fees. ”

Conversely, “the affluent west - county suburb of Chesterfield, with a population of 47,000 (about fifteen times bigger than Pine Lawn) and a per capita income of $50,000, collected just $1.2 million from municipal fines, according to statistics compiled by the state."

>Ferguson is a city located in northern St. Louis County with 21,203 residents living in 8,192 households . The majority (67%) of residents are African - American, while the remainder (29%) are largely white.

Ferguson’s unemployment rate is 14.3%, more than double that of both St. Louis County (6.1%) 68 and Missouri (6.6%), and a full 10% of the city’s 9,105 housing units are vacant .

22% of residents live below the poverty level, including 35.3% of children under 18, and 21.7% received food stamps in the last year .

Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of $2,635,400.

In 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court disposed of 24,532 warrants and 12,018 cases, or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household. <

"Court costs and fines represent a significant source of income for these towns. According to the
St. Louis County two municipalities alone, Ferguson and Florissant, earned a combined net profit of $
3.5 million off of their municipal courts in 2013"

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"As Ray Downs from the RiverFront Times reported, the amount collected through the municipal courts seems to be inversely proportional to the wealth of the municipality. For example, the City of Pine Lawn is 96 percent black, and “ its per capita income a measly $13,000. In 2013 the city collected more than $1.7 million in fines and court fees. ”

Conversely, “the affluent west - county suburb of Chesterfield, with a population of 47,000 (about fifteen times bigger than Pine Lawn) and a per capita income of $50,000, collected just $1.2 million from municipal fines, according to statistics compiled by the state."

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/1/2014 8:19:25 PM   
kdsub


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The police and courts have acted like a racketeering operation to beat up on the poor and under-employed in Ferguson. Its not good when the police are a parasitic organization masquerading as public servants.


Bullshit

Don't speed...don't run stop signs...get a proper drivers licence...get insurance...don't drive drunk...pay your taxes and register your plates...show up in court... if you do you will not be fined. I live under the same laws as do all white people and I DO NOT break them and DO NOT have to pay fines. Obey the law like everyone else...white, red, and yellow and you will not pay fines. If I can do it so can they... if not tell me why not.

Punishment in the form of fines is an important deterrent for safety on our roads...they are reasonable and necessary. It is a necessary source of income but one that can be avoided by simply obeying the law.

Go to school and become educated so you are employable... Business is falling all over itself to hire qualified minorities... but they will not hire someone that can not talk proper English... they will not hire someone that is not proficient in math... they will not hire someone that cannot read or write properly... they will not hire someone with a chip on their shoulder. White people are not the cause of black problems...blacks are. I am all for helping them help themselves.. lets get started.

Butch

< Message edited by kdsub -- 12/1/2014 8:32:12 PM >


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