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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 7:56:47 AM   
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You have no data. Just parroting.

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:04:30 AM   
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Again

You have no data. Just parroting.


Sorry, but no. You are the one parroting DHS numbers, which both of your sources explicitly state that

I have provided a link proving that your parroted numbers are manipulated

That you still believe the Obama administrations propaganda after the revelations of Jonathon Gruber says practically all that needs to be said about your pov


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:09:50 AM   
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Your own source says theyre Gruber people numbers


Gruber was talking to you and about you , now he has moved into your head.
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However, Bush only .....deported 2 million immigrants over the course of two terms.
Wether they are at the border or removing illegals living here,
you decry it....heartily.
How has the removal/return breakdown changed over time? Due to shifts in immigration enforcement policies beginning in the mid-1990s, the number of removals has gone way up while the number of returns has dropped, a trend that has accelerated in a dramatic way since the mid-2000s. Removal numbers jumped in 1997 following the passage of 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which gave immigration officials much more power in enforcing immigration law and ultimately deporting people. For example, the government deported nearly 70,000 people from October 1, 1995, through September 30, 1996. The next fiscal year, that figure jumped to more than 114,000 and has risen steadily from there. The most recent full fiscal year of data (2012) put the total at 419,384. Incomplete data for fiscal year 2013 added another 343,000.

The 1996 law also gave immigration officials the power to review immigrants' status and decide their fate in cases when a prior order of removal exists. In those instances, an immigration official can reinstate an order of removal without any judicial review, offering little recourse for an immigrant. The 1996 law also created the legal framework for the 287(g) program, which allows state and local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration laws. In 2005, the federal government introduced "Operation Streamline," which allowed immigration courts to hear and decide the cases of dozens of immigrants at a time.

The effect of these escalating policies, among others, has created an environment in which it's easier for an immigrant to qualify for a removal versus a return, and easier for the government to choose that route, says Ben Winograd, an immigration attorney at the Immigrant & Refugee Appellate Center. "In terms of how immigration enforcement is carried out, it's really a crossing of the Rubicon," Winograd says.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/obama-administration-record-deportations


theres tons more there, but I doubt you will read it, especially as it comes from mother jones...but if you have no figures or stats...im done here




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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:10:59 AM   
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Yet you have no numbers with which to counter.

You're simply riding the parrot wagon. When you have some credible source of numbers, then you'll have a counter-argument.

Enjoy the Bahamas. Maybe you'll get to see one of the threatened Bahama Parrots.

Me, I'd be happy to dismantle Bush's Department of Homeland Theater tomorrow. But the damage is done.




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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:19:34 AM   
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I see you're in full parrot mode.

No point in sharing data with you then, nor in pointing out the nonpartisan nature of this research group. Or that other groups have similar numbers. Deny reality if you will.

But there's the truth of it. Enjoy your day.

(even Fox News knows better)




let's assume the whole record number of people deported to be in good faith and absolutely true with zero fudging or hidden info

if there are record deportations, then it would also stand to reason there are record numbers of people entering the USA for the same time period

its a lot like I tried to explain in another thread about oil companies having record profits after Katrina, if your profit margin is 10%, in this case lets say deportation rate is 10% (YESSS I am making these numbers up for example purposes) and you are deporting record numbers of people then the logical assumption is there are record numbers of people coming here illegally....

and WHY NOT, I mean Obama has been telling people, why go threw the legal process, if you can get here, establish yourself, you'll get priority in the citizenship process

why not just say, "come to America, break the law, win a prize!"

when you INVITE these people to TRY, obviously you'll get RECORD NUMBERS

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:21:21 AM   
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"In the Bahamas, they treat Haitians like dogs," Youtchike Dormeus, an 18-year-old deportee,

I'm not sure that's a standard we should aspire to.


I wonder how you forgot to include the entire paragraph

quote:

The country, which denies treating anyone inhumanely, has deported 3,000 people this year.


It seemed obvious that the country would deny mistreating folks.


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:34:59 AM   
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Again

Your own source says theyre Gruber people numbers


Gruber was talking to you and about you , now he has moved into your head.
Trifecta
However, Bush only .....deported 2 million immigrants over the course of two terms.
Wether they are at the border or removing illegals living here,
you decry it....heartily.
How has the removal/return breakdown changed over time? Due to shifts in immigration enforcement policies beginning in the mid-1990s, the number of removals has gone way up while the number of returns has dropped, a trend that has accelerated in a dramatic way since the mid-2000s. Removal numbers jumped in 1997 following the passage of 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which gave immigration officials much more power in enforcing immigration law and ultimately deporting people. For example, the government deported nearly 70,000 people from October 1, 1995, through September 30, 1996. The next fiscal year, that figure jumped to more than 114,000 and has risen steadily from there. The most recent full fiscal year of data (2012) put the total at 419,384. Incomplete data for fiscal year 2013 added another 343,000.

The 1996 law also gave immigration officials the power to review immigrants' status and decide their fate in cases when a prior order of removal exists. In those instances, an immigration official can reinstate an order of removal without any judicial review, offering little recourse for an immigrant. The 1996 law also created the legal framework for the 287(g) program, which allows state and local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration laws. In 2005, the federal government introduced "Operation Streamline," which allowed immigration courts to hear and decide the cases of dozens of immigrants at a time.

The effect of these escalating policies, among others, has created an environment in which it's easier for an immigrant to qualify for a removal versus a return, and easier for the government to choose that route, says Ben Winograd, an immigration attorney at the Immigrant & Refugee Appellate Center. "In terms of how immigration enforcement is carried out, it's really a crossing of the Rubicon," Winograd says.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/obama-administration-record-deportations


theres tons more there, but I doubt you will read it, especially as it comes from mother jones...but if you have no figures or stats...im done here





At the bottom of your chart - "Source - Department of Homeland Security"

And again, I have proven above how the figures lie



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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:39:24 AM   
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It seemed obvious that the country would deny mistreating folks.



Do you believe your government?

What is obvious is that the person quoted, who was a deportee, was naturally very bitter


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:41:28 AM   
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Yet you have no numbers with which to counter.

You're simply riding the parrot wagon. When you have some credible source of numbers, then you'll have a counter-argument.

Enjoy the Bahamas. Maybe you'll get to see one of the threatened Bahama Parrots.

Me, I'd be happy to dismantle Bush's Department of Homeland Theater tomorrow. But the damage is done.





I dont need to provide figures

Its enough to establish how you are parroting lies

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:43:11 AM   
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you have truer more exact numbers then??? DIDNT think so..


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:44:54 AM   
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Yet you have no numbers with which to counter.

You're simply riding the parrot wagon. When you have some credible source of numbers, then you'll have a counter-argument.

Enjoy the Bahamas. Maybe you'll get to see one of the threatened Bahama Parrots.

Me, I'd be happy to dismantle Bush's Department of Homeland Theater tomorrow. But the damage is done.





I dont need to provide figures

Its enough to establish how you are parroting lies


Well, establish it then, because you are still in your Epic and continuous FAIL.
You haven't even got a whiskey bottle in your other hand.


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:45:38 AM   
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you have truer more exact numbers then??? DIDNT think so..



How would you expect me to get numbers independent of Homeland Security, and why are you obsessive about it

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:50:32 AM   
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It is not obsessive to point you you lie, demonize, propagandize and pretty much parrot the most extreme and mentally deficient of the nutsuckers.

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:51:28 AM   
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you have truer more exact numbers then??? DIDNT think so..



How would you expect me to get numbers independent of Homeland Security, and why are you obsessive about it

because you have NOTHING as usual to debate.


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 8:53:54 AM   
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you have truer more exact numbers then??? DIDNT think so..



How would you expect me to get numbers independent of Homeland Security, and why are you obsessive about it

because you have NOTHING as usual to debate.




Nothing to counter the lie that ManiacalMysery parrots from his masters...

How is that of importance though.



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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 9:01:57 AM   
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nothing to counter the post from MJ either, which clearly states the figures and comparisons....but you have nothing to counter it, so its an impasse. But you keep up the ad hominems, fallacies, bullshit and bluster to make an idiot of yourself,
AND that the administration has deported more than anyone else ever did, even with the differences in "accounting" methods.


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 9:03:53 AM   
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nothing to counter the post from MJ either, which clearly states the figures and comparisons....but you have nothing to counter it, so its an impasse. But you keep up the ad hominems, fallacies, bullshit and bluster to make an idiot of yourself,
AND that the administration has deported more than anyone else ever did, even with the differences in "accounting" methods.



MJ uses the same tainted source for their parroted lying figures

I pointed that out here

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 9:06:33 AM   
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Oh, I agree the W created homeland security has tainted numbers.

Reagan should be at -11 million, W at zero. Obama, much higher than that as Deporter in Chief.

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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 9:09:42 AM   
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you cant prove they are lying or parroted tho can you.
so its just your ignorant pov
simple
When you use a source that claims from pew...its all you wanna see...and you claim parroting on his behalf??? wanna cracker sweetie?

Myopic and a perfect Gruber "point"


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RE: The Bahamas Treats Illegals Poorly - 11/29/2014 9:12:16 AM   
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I already proved it, that you are incapable or unwilling to understand reality is your problem alone

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