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NorthernGent -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 2:38:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB And there are UKIP seats in London so overall, there is going to be bigotry towards immigrants but its much more behind closed doors. As you and I both know, London is pretty big and there are plenty of outer boroughs most of us will never visit. The inner London, the very hub of multicultural society, even "The City" is what I'm talking about. White folk who live and work in multi cultural boroughs are the least likely of all of us to view immigration as a huge problem. I spend a lot of time in the hub of London. I catch a lot of buses and tubes in and around the inner boroughs. I haven't had a single person mouth off to me about immigrants; I haven't seen an eye-roll or a disgruntled look as people of all ethnic backgrounds juggle and push one another for standing room. One week in the north and granted, that was Harrogate had me walking away feeling shell shocked. Whilst I know its always gone on, prior to UKIP, people were more cautious about saying what they thought within a public arena. Whilst it should be okay to publicly discuss immigration, what UKIP are doing is bringing out the anger, frustration and resentment from those that are neither civil or educated enough to discuss it and that really, really bothers me. Maria B, I'm not so sure you're above is saying anything more than the obvious and understood, and consequently you are worried by this. Yes, London has a long history of a xenophobic attitude, particularly in places such as East and South East London. I don't believe this warrants the statement: "but its much more behind closed doors". The only places in the North that have historically had a problem are places such as Burnley, Oldham, Rochdale, and on the other side of the Pennies Bradford, Halifax etc. All of which are a good 120 miles from me. Regardless, the issue isn't a blanket approach to immigration. My estimate would be that the vast majority of people have no problem with people who have made a valuable contribution to the economy. The issue is being raised that in some towns up and down the country we have had an influx of an altogether different immigrant unwillingly to work and making the place a mess. This is the reality for some people in small towns in England, not my reality by the way, and it doesn't make them 'badly educated' when they say: "why are we paying for this?"

MariaB -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 3:49:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Actually, Mark Reckless left the conservatives because he felt he was unable, as a conscientious MP, to fullfil the promises he made to the local electorate under the current conservative plans and that UKIP fitted the bill better. Its more like, he wasn’t prepared to risk losing his seat and as the MP of Rochester I don’t blame him. Northern seats are unstable because that is where UKIP are concentrating their very succesful campaign. I’m in no doubt that we will see more MP’s from the north defecting. quote: I went into town and followed all the spiel from all of them in the Guildhall. Mark made sense, regardless of what colour he was flying. The conservatives were not delivering, so he changed flags and still won comfortably. Was it the same speech he gave to the BBC? The one where he revealed that it was Ukip’s policy to ensure that, if Britain were to leave the EU, European migrants currently working and living legally in this country might be repatriated. quote: I disagree. Whilst it would be true if the immigrants respected our laws and way of life - but the majority don't. The things that make up our "British" way of life are being eroded rapidly by the immigrants. I do not want to be 'European', I want to stay British. If you want to be European - move to Europe I am British European and to be a British European I don’t have to move to another part of Europe If we come out of the EU, it may result in millions of ex pats having to return here and those wanting to leave for warmer shores unable to do so. You sound quite hostile Freedomdwarf. I have to ask, how does immigration affect you on a personal level? quote: UKIP are not attacking immigrants who come here legally - just those that don't want to work and are a drain on UK resources. You should re-read what you wrote. You contradicted yourself in one sentence. Funny that because UKIP continually contradict themselves. As I’ve already said above and that was only one example; speeches have been made where a slip of the tongue has had Farage back peddling quicker than I could reverse my car from a charging elephant. quote: If you didn't witness racial bigotry in your part of London then you must be walking around with eyes and ears closed. It is happening everywhere, inside London and elsewhere. And why is it happening?? Because too many immigrants are not respecting the British way of life. They are creating mini-states within towns and cities of where they are from and not integrating. And yes, I see that as a bad thing for everyone. You are clearly on the anti immigration bandwagon. I can’t stop you reading propaganda or have you read both sides of this argument, so I’ll stop right their because if you get me going on this I will happily write counter arguments all day long and I really don’t want to put the effort into something that will clearly fall on deaf ears. quote: We had free trade agreements across Europe before we joined the EU. We can have them again - without the stupidity of Brussels. British industry will still carry on trading. And, we will have the advantage of negotiating preferential trading agreements with our commonwealth nations that Brussels has outlawed as protectionism. Sighs...http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/18/editorial-britain-leaving-european-union Out of interest, what are your thoughts on the re-writing of our human rights?

Marini -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 4:03:47 AM)
A quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm not so sure you're above is saying anything more than the obvious and understood, and consequently you are worried by this. Yes, London has a long history of a xenophobic attitude, particularly in places such as East and South East London. I don't believe this warrants the statement: "but its much more behind closed doors". The only places in the North that have historically had a problem are places such as Burnley, Oldham, Rochdale, and on the other side of the Pennies Bradford, Halifax etc. All of which are a good 120 miles from me. Regardless, the issue isn't a blanket approach to immigration. My estimate would be that the vast majority of people have no problem with people who have made a valuable contribution to the economy. The issue is being raised that in some towns up and down the country we have had an influx of an altogether different immigrant unwillingly to work and making the place a mess. This is the reality for some people in small towns in England, not my reality by the way, and it doesn't make them 'badly educated' when they say: "why are we paying for this?" [sm=applause.gif] I am hardly a racist, xenophobe or whatever. I get tired of the same boring insults, when someone asks or makes a comment about millions and millions of more immigrants being flooded into their country. It's as if, you are not supposed to have the NERVE to question what the hell is going on? Especially, when the same people that want millions and millions of more immigrants coming into their country, are doing damn little to help the EXSISTING citizens that are already there! As a black woman I am still waiting on the fucking reparations from my ancestors on both sides that were brought here as slaves. *I am not even going to mention my grandmother who could pass for white. {Descendent of slaves of course} Help the homeless, the mentally ill, those going without food and medical care, etc. that are fucking citizens that are already HERE, than we can bring in millions and millions and trillions of more people.

MariaB -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 4:14:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent This is the reality for some people in small towns in England, not my reality by the way, and it doesn't make them 'badly educated' when they say: "why are we paying for this?" This answer put a bit of a twist to my words. What would you think if, whilst standing at a bus stop having a polite conversation with a stranger waiting for the same bus as you, suddenly blurted out, "fucking pakis, I wish they would all fuck off back to their own countries" as a Pakistani family joined the back of the queue? Was she an educated woman? I very much doubt it. She was certainly a very embarrassed woman when she heard my response. That was only one example but there were several unsavoury examples in my short trip to the north and none of them came from educated mouths.

Musicmystery -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 6:04:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini A quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm not so sure you're above is saying anything more than the obvious and understood, and consequently you are worried by this. Yes, London has a long history of a xenophobic attitude, particularly in places such as East and South East London. I don't believe this warrants the statement: "but its much more behind closed doors". The only places in the North that have historically had a problem are places such as Burnley, Oldham, Rochdale, and on the other side of the Pennies Bradford, Halifax etc. All of which are a good 120 miles from me. Regardless, the issue isn't a blanket approach to immigration. My estimate would be that the vast majority of people have no problem with people who have made a valuable contribution to the economy. The issue is being raised that in some towns up and down the country we have had an influx of an altogether different immigrant unwillingly to work and making the place a mess. This is the reality for some people in small towns in England, not my reality by the way, and it doesn't make them 'badly educated' when they say: "why are we paying for this?" [sm=applause.gif] I am hardly a racist, xenophobe or whatever. I get tired of the same boring insults, when someone asks or makes a comment about millions and millions of more immigrants being flooded into their country. It's as if, you are not supposed to have the NERVE to question what the hell is going on? Especially, when the same people that want millions and millions of more immigrants coming into their country, are doing damn little to help the EXSISTING citizens that are already there! As a black woman I am still waiting on the fucking reparations from my ancestors on both sides that were brought here as slaves. *I am not even going to mention my grandmother who could pass for white. {Descendent of slaves of course} Help the homeless, the mentally ill, those going without food and medical care, etc. that are fucking citizens that are already HERE, than we can bring in millions and millions and trillions of more people. I'm still waiting for reparations due my Druid ancestors from the Romans and the Christians. I'm thinking we should probably both just get on with life.

MariaB -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 7:13:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini I am hardly a racist, xenophobe or whatever. I get tired of the same boring insults, when someone asks or makes a comment about millions and millions of more immigrants being flooded into their country. It's as if, you are not supposed to have the NERVE to question what the hell is going on? Especially, when the same people that want millions and millions of more immigrants coming into their country, are doing damn little to help the EXSISTING citizens that are already there! As a black woman I am still waiting on the fucking reparations from my ancestors on both sides that were brought here as slaves. I am not even going to mention my grandmother who could pass for white. {Descendent of slaves of course} Help the homeless, the mentally ill, those going without food and medical care, etc. that are fucking citizens that are already HERE, than we can bring in millions and millions and trillions* of more people. What is this "trillions" do you know what a trillion is? [8\|] Of course we need to have stricter immigration policies. We need to curtail illegal immigration and I don't think anyone is going to argue with that. This isn't the immigrants fault. Immigrants aren't to blame for previous governments having open door policies. Have you walked in an immigrants shoes just for a day, a week or a month? Has the colour of your skin ever reflected on how or how not you are received in society? I know what its like to fear the colour of my skin. I lived in the Middle East at the beginning and during the first part of an uprising. There wasn’t a single day when I suffered name calling or having a hateful finger pointed at me but I know what its like to be a foreigner living in a country where a large majority of its people want westerners out. I never had a taunt; I never saw a racist attack but I feared it every time I left my house and every time I had to speak to a stranger in a badly broken foreign accent. There is power in hatred and when you live amongst it, its a frightening place to be.

mnottertail -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 8:39:07 AM)
I see the UK is done with the fucking around now, and in March, is going to pay off the 3 and 1/2% bonds amounting to some $3B (that's all of them) left from WWI and refinanced in 1932. The vexing question, Yank billions or UK billions? And if our billions are different, are our trillions as well?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 9:33:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Actually, Mark Reckless left the conservatives because he felt he was unable, as a conscientious MP, to fullfil the promises he made to the local electorate under the current conservative plans and that UKIP fitted the bill better. Its more like, he wasn’t prepared to risk losing his seat and as the MP of Rochester I don’t blame him. Northern seats are unstable because that is where UKIP are concentrating their very succesful campaign. I’m in no doubt that we will see more MP’s from the north defecting. It was more of a risk than you think. He jumped from a very safe conservative seat and joined UKIP who weren't targeting the area. If the local people didn't like what UKIP was offering, he would have lost to Kelly Tolhurst, the conservative candidate. He put his political career on the line for what he believed in. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: I went into town and followed all the spiel from all of them in the Guildhall. Mark made sense, regardless of what colour he was flying. The conservatives were not delivering, so he changed flags and still won comfortably. Was it the same speech he gave to the BBC? The one where he revealed that it was Ukip’s policy to ensure that, if Britain were to leave the EU, European migrants currently working and living legally in this country might be repatriated. That's not what I heard in the Guildhall where they (every party) had several press meetings. And it's not what I heard in the gaggle of press and public at the end of the high street. And yes, that is where the BBC were doing some filming as well as alongside the castle walls. I didn't get into the 'invited audience' when they filmed the BBC program in the Guildhall, but what I saw broadcast later that evening was far removed from the general comments outside in the street. And take note of the word 'might'. The words I heard in the high street were that where you have one immigrant or those that were working, they were Ok. The ones that feared being deported were those who entered legally but got here with false paperwork (for college courses that didn't exist or work offers that were a forgery), were working illegally or claiming benefits. Legit working immigrants had nothing to fear. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: I disagree. Whilst it would be true if the immigrants respected our laws and way of life - but the majority don't. The things that make up our "British" way of life are being eroded rapidly by the immigrants. I do not want to be 'European', I want to stay British. If you want to be European - move to Europe I am British European and to be a British European I don’t have to move to another part of Europe If we come out of the EU, it may result in millions of ex pats having to return here and those wanting to leave for warmer shores unable to do so. Really?? Why would ex-pats have to return to the UK? That doesn't make sense. They moved out of the UK for better weather or cheaper property prices or whatever. They certainly would not be forced to move back to the UK. I don't see myself as British European. I am English British - not European. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB You sound quite hostile Freedomdwarf. I have to ask, how does immigration affect you on a personal level? One simple fact that many English people waiting on the housing list will tell you - immigrants get higher priority on the housing list than native born-and-bred Brits. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because I have been on the wrong end of that shitty stick and so have my kids. Being told to wait on the list for 7+ years for somewhere to live when some Kosovans and Pakistanis who have only been here less than six months are given houses. Being told we must down-size to a 2-bed house so as not to incur the 'bedroom tax' but just over the back of me in a new social housing development, a white (non-working) female foreigner with one child is given a 3-bed house. So yes, immigration and our crazy rules have had a direct influence on my life. And yes, I am very bitter for my experiences. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: UKIP are not attacking immigrants who come here legally - just those that don't want to work and are a drain on UK resources. You should re-read what you wrote. You contradicted yourself in one sentence. Funny that because UKIP continually contradict themselves. Where did I contradict myself?? quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB As I’ve already said above and that was only one example; speeches have been made where a slip of the tongue has had Farage back peddling quicker than I could reverse my car from a charging elephant. Yes, Farage and other UKIP members have made some real bloopers!! quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: If you didn't witness racial bigotry in your part of London then you must be walking around with eyes and ears closed. It is happening everywhere, inside London and elsewhere. And why is it happening?? Because too many immigrants are not respecting the British way of life. They are creating mini-states within towns and cities of where they are from and not integrating. And yes, I see that as a bad thing for everyone. You are clearly on the anti immigration bandwagon. I can’t stop you reading propaganda or have you read both sides of this argument, so I’ll stop right their because if you get me going on this I will happily write counter arguments all day long and I really don’t want to put the effort into something that will clearly fall on deaf ears. No, I'm not anti-immigrant. Our lodger is a young lady from Bulgaria who happens to work very hard for her money. What I am against are those that want to drain our benefits system because it is more than they would get back in their own country. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: We had free trade agreements across Europe before we joined the EU. We can have them again - without the stupidity of Brussels. British industry will still carry on trading. And, we will have the advantage of negotiating preferential trading agreements with our commonwealth nations that Brussels has outlawed as protectionism. Sighs...http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/18/editorial-britain-leaving-european-union I didn't even bother reading that because it is from the Guardian - a well-known Tory supporter. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Out of interest, what are your thoughts on the re-writing of our human rights? It's not a re-write from what I understand. It is supposed to be a mimic of the European original but with the nasty bits removed so that Brussels can't interfere with our government rulings - like kicking out terrorists. But to be fair, I don't know an awful lot about it except that is what cockroach wants to do.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 9:40:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I see the UK is done with the fucking around now, and in March, is going to pay off the 3 and 1/2% bonds amounting to some $3B (that's all of them) left from WWI and refinanced in 1932. The vexing question, Yank billions or UK billions? And if our billions are different, are our trillions as well? I do believe they are different, Ron. I haven't looked it up but I think a US billion is 1,000million whereas a UK billion is a million million?? [sm=dunno.gif] And if your trillions are based on your billions, that would also make them different. [:D]

NorthernGent -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 9:49:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent This is the reality for some people in small towns in England, not my reality by the way, and it doesn't make them 'badly educated' when they say: "why are we paying for this?" This answer put a bit of a twist to my words. What would you think if, whilst standing at a bus stop having a polite conversation with a stranger waiting for the same bus as you, suddenly blurted out, "fucking pakis, I wish they would all fuck off back to their own countries" as a Pakistani family joined the back of the queue? Was she an educated woman? I very much doubt it. She was certainly a very embarrassed woman when she heard my response. That was only one example but there were several unsavoury examples in my short trip to the north and none of them came from educated mouths. I would think the person is an idiot, but hardly definitive proof of 'a badly educated' population hell bent on 'ferocious racism'. I find it difficult to believe this happened in Harrogate. Burnley, yes, nothing would surprise me; but Harrogate being a Middle Class, rural, conservative haven where it's seen as good form to keep your opinions to yourself - I find this extremely surprising. Christ, 'several unsavoury examples' in your 'short trip', I spend a lot of time in various parts of the North due to work and I'm scratching my head and can't think of any racist like encounter I've had. Yet, you turn up for a few hours and Armageddon ensues. Are you sure?

PeonForHer -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 10:04:10 AM)
quote: Really?? Why would ex-pats have to return to the UK? That doesn't make sense. They moved out of the UK for better weather or cheaper property prices or whatever. They certainly would not be forced to move back to the UK. They could well be forced back to the UK in the event of our pulling out of the EU and repatriating EU members. It's a fair bet that the EU would retaliate with a tit-for-tat policy.

PeonForHer -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 10:16:32 AM)
quote: One simple fact that many English people waiting on the housing list will tell you - immigrants get higher priority on the housing list than native born-and-bred Brits. This is an old myth, FD. See e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8137408.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/5765667/Immigrants-do-not-get-housing-priority-study-shows.html

PeonForHer -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 10:18:33 AM)
quote: I didn't even bother reading that because it is from the Guardian - a well-known Tory supporter. I'm assuming this is a joke? The Guardian is widely accepted to be a left/liberal paper.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 11:06:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: One simple fact that many English people waiting on the housing list will tell you - immigrants get higher priority on the housing list than native born-and-bred Brits. This is an old myth, FD. See e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8137408.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/5765667/Immigrants-do-not-get-housing-priority-study-shows.html No it isn't a myth, Peon. I've personally been on the wrong end of that shitty stick. It happens. And here's why they tell you that everyone is 'graded' and awarded points and treated "equally" according to need - Just for being an immigrant, you are awarded more 'points' than most people, even in dire situations, could get. So that in itself, pushes them higher up the 'award' ladder than most Brits. Everything else (I think) is universally measured. An example: Two guys, one a Brit, one an immigrant, both apply for housing. The immigrant is more than likely to get housed within a few weeks or months. The Brit is told he can sleep in a doorway and doesn't qualify to even get on the housing register. I will c/p part of an email I sent to my local MP on 8th March 2011 - quote: ORIGINAL: email to MP. 08/03/2011 There are a number of discrepancies in the benefits system where housing is concerned and some people, myself included, are very peeved at how some people are able to jump the housing queues simply because of some idiotic rule or other that really needs to be sorted out. The example I am quoting here (and it’s quite a long one dealing with several issues) happened to me a while ago but is still very relevant today and all of this information wasn’t guesswork, it was what I gleaned from chatting to the people involved. Let’s take the situation of four groups of people, all trying to claim housing allocation and the various benefits that go with it…. 1) The “average” couple with 2.4 kids (we’ll round it down to 2 for this example). Been waiting on the housing list for over 4 years and not been offered anywhere to date. 2) A young girl (under 20), visibly pregnant with 6 kids and a new boyfriend. Been waiting about 6 months for somewhere to live because her mum was fed up with all the kids living at home. She openly admitted that she wants as many kids as possible so the council will provide a decent home for her and her boyfriend and lots of money in benefits. 3) Myself with a nearly 7-month pregnant wife about to have a baby with a note from the doctor about a weak amniotic bag having already lost 1 child at 3 days old that was born at 27 weeks. We had been waiting for a couple of years but nothing was forthcoming as we didn’t have any living children to help boost our points allocation. 4) A Pakistani immigrant with 3 wives and 15 kids (or was it 16? I can’t remember) and only been in the country for one week and seeking asylum. He was living with his brother’s family but was ordered out by the local council for causing overcrowding. Not been on the housing list at all. We were all waiting at our respective windows at the housing office (not Medway I might add) being attended to by our housing officers dealing with our housing claims. The first couple, Mr & Mrs average with 2 youngish kids both going to school was told they didn’t have any suitable housing and they would have to continue waiting. The young girl was told that her boyfriend didn’t count unless she could prove he was living with her permanently but there was a 3-bed unfurnished council house coming up in the next few weeks in a local village if she wanted it but she would have to wait until the family living there had moved out and the council had inspected it and done any fixing necessary. She was given a grant for almost £2,000 to buy furnishings for the house she had just been allocated. I was very bluntly told there was a 7 year waiting list and the best they could do was a B&B 3 miles outside of town for up to 3 months on ‘emergency housing’ – take it or leave it. With my wife being 7 months pregnant and very likely to drop the baby any day soon, we took it. The Pakistani immigrant was waiting for the housing officer to locate the keys for a fully-furnished 6-bedroomed house (two 3-bed houses knocked together into a single dwelling) that the council would pay for – rent and council tax. He was also given a giro for just over £1,000 for immediate expenses for his family. It is obvious that the result from the four housing applications is very unfair and it’s no wonder that British people are unsympathetic towards immigrants and young girls who can’t keep their legs shut and refuse to go on the pill. The average couple complained bitterly that the young girl was given a house before they were even though they had been waiting a long time. The housing officer just shut the window on them and they left the building very disgruntled. The young girl was very happy and started filling in a form to accept the house that she had been offered. The Pakistani man was absolutely beaming and rubbing his hands together. I was so furious about the whole situation that I shouted at the housing officer and was bodily escorted from the building by security guards with the threat of being arrested for disorderly conduct. True account that happened to me, not just some idle media story. [Edit: November 2011, not March] And something very recent.... My stepdaughter and her foreign friend that she regularly goes to bingo with, applied for social housing about 3 months ago. Both are unemployed, my stepdaughter will be 24 next week, her friend is 22; no kids or bf's involved. Her friend has been given a 2-bed flat, my stepdaughter has been offered a bed at a hostel for waifs, strays and drunks. WTF?? Where is the justice in our system??? Pffffttttt!!! Don't tell me the system doesn't do this sort of shit because it does... regularly.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 11:33:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Really?? Why would ex-pats have to return to the UK? That doesn't make sense. They moved out of the UK for better weather or cheaper property prices or whatever. They certainly would not be forced to move back to the UK. They could well be forced back to the UK in the event of our pulling out of the EU and repatriating EU members. It's a fair bet that the EU would retaliate with a tit-for-tat policy. And many ex-pats have actually gotten themselves a foreign passport. That's why they are "ex" [:D] But it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were subject to some form of tit-for-tat reaction. But I would also hazard a guess that most of the ex-pats are down in Spain or southern France, southern Italy, or even Greece - for the better weather if nothing else. I don't think there are many that have gone to India or Pakistan or ex-members of the Eastern Block. I know there are quite a few ex-pats out there, but I don't think it runs into the hundreds (maybe thousands) every week that are trying to get into the UK. I don't see it as a huge problem.

Politesub53 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 12:13:06 PM)
Being an expat has nothing to do with getting a foreign passport. It just means you are working abroad. I dont believe either of your claims on housing, much of the so called claims re who gets council housing are actually bollocks. Regardless of colour anyone on a waiting list gets the same treatment on a "points" scale. So unless you know all the facts about the other applicants, you cant say they got a house because they were immigrants.

mnottertail -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 12:24:00 PM)
BTW, you are on thursdays, before you post, at the mo, guv. (Not at you Polite, thursdays is lurking about).

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 12:28:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Being an expat has nothing to do with getting a foreign passport. It just means you are working abroad. I dont believe either of your claims on housing, much of the so called claims re who gets council housing are actually bollocks. Regardless of colour anyone on a waiting list gets the same treatment on a "points" scale. So unless you know all the facts about the other applicants, you cant say they got a house because they were immigrants. Read what I wrote PS - the info came directly from talking with the other applicants. It's not bollocks. I actually saw the Giros that were issued. I was there at this event. This is a real life event. I went through it. So don't fucking tell me it's bollocks. It happened. My stepdaughter and son are currently facing the same problems. It's not bullshit. My original problem was at the Spalding housing office. These days I'm in Medway. The point is... this is not an isolated case with one particularly awkward office. Yes, the system uses a points allocation system - that's why they tell you everyone is treated equally and fairly. Immigrants are given points just for being (legal) immigrants and you get more if you are (or have applied for) asylum status. So everything else is awarded the same, ie, number of kids, if you are homeless, in a 'special' or 'vulnerable' group etc. ETA: being an immigrant seeking asylum puts you into a 'special' group that most Brits can't get into - that's one of the reasons they get more points to start with. And, FWIW, Cameron is attempting to change it so it is a fairer system and that immigrants don't receive all of the benefits for 4 years (when they have paid something into the pot).

mnottertail -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 12:35:27 PM)
And if they are veterans? does that equalize the immigrant points?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen (12/3/2014 12:40:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail And if they are veterans? does that equalize the immigrant points? I don't think so Ron. I think those sort of Vets get special treatment via whatever forces they were with. I know the Ghurkas had a helluva job getting recognised as being allowed to repatriate to the UK. Joanna Lumley fought their case.... and won, I might add. And yes, I think they got preferential housing processing.

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