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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/10/2014 2:43:43 PM

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I think we've lost the OP.

I would like to mention that while slavery is illegal, we do know it exists in hardcore bdsm circles.
To respond "nay" to that statement only makes me wonder what rock the naysayer emerged from.

Then there is sex (slave) traffikers. Southeast Asia being just one hot spot.

To apply our SSC mark upon any questions asked, along with our (for the most part) clique pat answers regarding "slaves"
is to ignore the real world around us. Slave trade/selling maybe illegal, nor SSC BUT it exists.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/10/2014 6:38:04 PM

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So a slave with children needs to be naked in front of her teenaged son and his friends? Round here, that's frowned upon. Plus it's snowing outside, unless we move to someplace warm, nobody in this house wanders around nekkid.

Folks, stop watching porn and start talking to people who do this in real life.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/10/2014 6:54:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

So a slave with children needs to be naked in front of her teenaged son and his friends? Round here, that's frowned upon. Plus it's snowing outside, unless we move to someplace warm, nobody in this house wanders around nekkid.

Folks, stop watching porn and start talking to people who do this in real life.

Perhaps you meant this answer for someone else???

Because I don't see where you got that from this reply:
***And here we go..

If by little to no avail you mean that there will always be differences in how folks see it, you're right.

If what you mean is that you and the OP are the right ones and so others' debate is of little sense since they're wrong, you're wrong.***

In case anyone is unsure or doesn't remember what I've said in past threads: I'm not big on non-consensually involving others, ESPECIALLY ums, in my kink. So no, neither I...Or my partner...would be naked in front of teenagers.

As for slaves...a person can call themselves what they wish. I don't agree with the term, as stated before, but tis not my business unless they hold it up for discussion.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/10/2014 7:02:27 PM

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everyone has their own opinion which they are entitiled to. this is a topic that keeps going round and round and in the end no one is completely right or wrong. it is all opinions. slaves and submissives all can end their role or position at any time unless we are going to have kidnapping as part of it.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/10/2014 7:06:51 PM

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quote:

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everyone has their own opinion which they are entitiled to. this is a topic that keeps going round and round and in the end no one is completely right or wrong. it is all opinions. slaves and submissives all can end their role or position at any time unless we are going to have kidnapping as part of it.

Exactly.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/11/2014 2:38:30 PM

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I gave up on this debate a long time ago. I consider myself a submissive and that work's just fine for me.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 12/11/2014 5:27:14 PM

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Sorry CD, wasn't meant for you. Just a riff on the nonsense in the list the op found.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 1/15/2015 6:33:52 PM

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Submissive: A person that enjoys being dominated and having a chosen amount of power exchange. A submissive maintains a degree of control (some would argue more since she tells the dom what they can and can't do but that's a whole other debate). A submissive has limits, choices, preferences, safewords, and most importantly the right to say no and leave at any time.

Slave: A person who choses to give up all control and rights and becomes an object. This object lives in TPE (total power exchange). A slaves opinions and preferences are still there but are ignored and the owner's wants are utalized. For instance a slave can be straight, however she will still lick and service any cunt she's told too.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 1/15/2015 6:39:49 PM

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"Slave: A person who choses to give up all control and rights and becomes an object."

Newsflash dude, like it or not in most cases she still has control. Furthermore she isn't always treated like an object. Objectification is a whole nuther thing.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 1/15/2015 7:18:57 PM

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"Slave: A person who choses to give up all control and rights and becomes an object. This object lives in TPE (total power exchange). A slaves opinions and preferences are still there but are ignored and the owner's wants are utalized. For instance a slave can be straight, however she will still lick and service any cunt she's told too."

In your relationship, the "slave" is this. In other D/slave or M/slave relationships, the slave is what they...Master/Mistress and slave define.

I used to agree with you. For there to be a difference between submissive and slave...which many slaves argued there was...they should be able to define it.

In certain respects, I agree that there should be a difference in what defines a slave and what defines a submissive. From a technical standpoint, and in its purest form, a slave should have less input into the decision-making process than a submissive, less say over what does or does not happen in play (barring harm, of course) than a submissive...just "less" control (for lack of a better word)...than a submissive.

However, the one biggest argument I've heard in these discussions...when it came down to pointing out the difference...was mindset. I've known submissives who were as damn close to being any authors' definition of a BDSM slave who called themselves submissive. I've met slaves who matched the description of a submissive with not many restrictions who felt they were "slave-minded and of a slave heart". You can argue it til you're blue in the face but one thing that is true in all cases...a submissive and a slave always retain the right to say "that's it...I'm done...And if you try to stop me, your ass WILL be mine". That's something a true slave never had.

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RE: what is the difference between 'submissive' and 'sl... - 1/17/2015 12:42:05 PM

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and i often type free muffins cheap Chardonnay and corset wearing nymphs into googlers

gauge had a pretty good stab at it

creative infers it is an object - this is almost entirety correct - close enough daft keyboard...what would i want with an object - what would anyone want with an object

I remember getting footed of a fet forum for arguing many times there is no such thing as a true slave, and, there is not you know...save the odd one perhaps 1/10 000 i think i quote that figure. True slaves are rare I never knew one in my lifetime...i know a lot of so-ul called slaves

The important thing is
1. whoever said imprisoned inn those weird circles ( my mind does not like to think about that stuff but they exit many rings- they are a prisoner not a slave
2. what does slave and submissive mean in a dictionary - what do the words mean to me and you
3. slave is used typically as a game of one up man ship to reinforce credibility and reality - that is its primary use on these places
a. the word is archaic it has no place in the scene as far as I am concerned unless its definition vastly expanded.
4. slave is treated exactly how she wishes to be treated so she is not a slave - someone said that
I do not particularly like the word slave or its over use on these places..and yes I argue that for the word master too - although is definition is not nearly as bad.
5. true slaves let me think they are people with minds and souls and more than a mere object - this they know and they are (more than object)

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