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CreativeDominant -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/12/2014 4:00:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

. . . um . . . excuse me, but what is an "FLR"? This is a new acronym to me.


Female Led Relationship

Could be full-on, could be sort of a halfway point between vanilla and TPE. Also referred to as ‘loving female authority’ relationships, ‘female led marriage’ (FLM), ‘wife led marriage’ (WLM), ‘happy wife, happy life’ (HWHL), and other names.
Happy wife....Hmmmmmm...~puts on running shoes~...is that even possible? ~annnnnnnd...disappears~ [:D]




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/12/2014 8:14:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MartianMan9

Should male subs/slaves have to tribute to serve in a FLR? I see that there are plenty of females on her complaining about how this site is full of men who are not real and are full of BS. I don't disagree that there are immature men on here, it has been my experience that the majority of the female dommes on here want some form of payment or "Tribute" as its called to even talk to them. First of all, I have no problem with Pro-Dommes. It is a professional that I'm sure many people do honest and respectfully. Subs/slaves mutually agree to pay for play. Theres really no FLR there but more of a business transaction.
However, there are plenty of females who claim they are looking to start a female led relationship with a slave, but are not interested in establishing a relationship at all. A FLR requires both trust and respect. I would never be able to genuinely submit to another if I didn't know and trust them. Many women on here are very quick to ask for you to tribute by satisfying their amazon wishlist or logging into their website that requires your credit card information for verification. Many of these women are not interested in taking the time to get to know these potential slaves or see if they get along with them or connect. They want to know if you will tribute and how much you will tribute. That wouldn't be the problem if these women weren't the same ones complaining about how males slaves on here are not serious and are fully of crap. Or if these women identified themselves as Pro-dommes. Thats my pitch and I'm getting off my soap box and putting it away. I just wanted to know what everyone else feels about the matter. Thanks


BUD!!!!

Check it out!!!!

You have no tits!!!

Your hips are not at ALL formative.....AND.....you have no pussy!!!!

You lose!!!!!!

End game.




FieryOpal -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/12/2014 11:48:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

. . . um . . . excuse me, but what is an "FLR"? This is a new acronym to me.

Female Led Relationship

Could be full-on, could be sort of a halfway point between vanilla and TPE. Also referred to as ‘loving female authority’ relationships, ‘female led marriage’ (FLM), ‘wife led marriage’ (WLM), ‘happy wife, happy life’ (HWHL), and other names.

Thanks, Nookie (and thanks for asking, RS, since those in M/f wouldn't be expected to know). This has to be one of the most misused terms there is. What OP actually is referring to is F/m not FLR. I did not correct him because he did not emphasize RELATIONSHIP, as opposed to having a BDSM arrangement with a Domme. But yes, FLR is part of F/m or FemDom. Most (as in majority) of male subs are seeking Fem[ale]Dom[ination], some have stumbled onto FLR websites in the course of surfing FemDom (porn) sites, and have lumped them together.

I make the distinction as follows, much as I do between D/s-M/s and BDSM. Others can weigh in with their own opinions which may differ.

D/s-M/s is a dynamic, ordinarily an O/ownership relationship dynamic. Notwithstanding polyamorous relationships or how transgenders identify, these are constructed as: F/m or M/f, F/f or M/m. (FemDom encompasses any "F/" configuration.)

BDSM are acts. BDSM activities consist of Topping and bottoming = T/b, where D-type usually=T and s-type usually=b, but not always. (If Sado-masochism is involved, then S=T and m=b.) Where BDSM describes a T/b interaction, not necessarily a D/s relationship dynamic.

An FLR falls under FemDom and F/m. It could loosely apply to any "F/" relationship. This term originated to describe a type of marriage or committed F/m relationships as marital-like partnerships.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/13/2014 12:08:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Happy wife....Hmmmmmm...~puts on running shoes~...is that even possible? ~annnnnnnd...disappears~ [:D]



I believe the synonym to "happy wife" is "Young widow"



Michael




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/16/2014 5:45:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Happy wife....Hmmmmmm...~puts on running shoes~...is that even possible? ~annnnnnnd...disappears~ [:D]



I believe the synonym to "happy wife" is "Young widow"



Michael



(Antonym).




YouName -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/16/2014 5:51:51 PM)

lol. [:D][sm=crop.gif]




xrampage101 -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/17/2014 10:38:52 AM)

Hi Spiritedsub2,

I haven't posted on here for a long time.

Here goes; in response to your post, the BDSM world is a supply and demand market, and it is big business for some.
I've noticed over the years (since being introduced to the internet in the late 90's), there has been a serge of female Dommes
using this community as a money making opportunity. I guess they have migrated over from the so called villa world.

Back in 1998, I would see adventurous women looking for mutual fun, without any money changing hands. From 2000,
a lot of professional Dominatrices saw the internet as a way of advertising and promoting their business, rather than
advertising in local call boxes, discrete adds in newspapers and fetish magazines. I don't have a problem with this
because like any other profession, whether you are a lawyer, surgeon or Dominatrix, they are trained professionals.
A Dominatrix is trained or specialises in a range of BDSM activities, in terms whips, dungeons, equipment and
role-play scenarios. As far as I'm concerned, paying for their time is fully justified. However, a lot of everyday
women in or outside of BDSM, were thinking, if these women are charging, then so should we. They obviously
realised the financial rewards.

The problem I have; these so called winnable Dommes aren't professionals and therefore, should be considered
as amateurs or novices. Many years ago, I was exchanging messages with a local women from a kinky dating site.
I was looking for a like minded lady to indulge in mutual adult fun. At the time, she told me she enjoyed
sexually dominating men, a divorcee and that she ran her own accountancy business from home. When arranging a meet,
her messages changed from informal to formal and she made numerous demands such as she wanted to meet
in an expensive hotel, charging about £150 per hour, no body contact or touching involved, and would dictate the entire
session scenarios. This would set me back realistically, around £450. If she asked for a gift or few drinks, no problem.
However, financially, I am better off hiring a female escort to my place, with no hotel fees, full contact and opportunity
to explore my fantasies, which would probably cost me £110, including sex if I wanted it. It's a no brainer. She got very
nasty when I declined and told me off for wasting her time. What I don't understand; if we are both employed,
the fact she never stated she was looking for a money arrangement and she clearly isn't a Dominatrix, why should
I be expected to pay for her time? It is totally unfair, unreasonable and greedy, and gives other women a bad
name.

You are either a professional Domme or an amateur partner looking for non profiting adult fun, I'm sorry, but you
can't be half and half in one session.




GoddessManko -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/17/2014 11:22:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

Hi Spiritedsub2,

I haven't posted on here for a long time.

Here goes; in response to your post, the BDSM world is a supply and demand market, and it is big business for some.
I've noticed over the years (since being introduced to the internet in the late 90's), there has been a serge of female Dommes
using this community as a money making opportunity. I guess they have migrated over from the so called villa world.

Back in 1998, I would see adventurous women looking for mutual fun, without any money changing hands. From 2000,
a lot of professional Dominatrices saw the internet as a way of advertising and promoting their business, rather than
advertising in local call boxes, discrete adds in newspapers and fetish magazines. I don't have a problem with this
because like any other profession, whether you are a lawyer, surgeon or Dominatrix, they are trained professionals.
A Dominatrix is trained or specialises in a range of BDSM activities, in terms whips, dungeons, equipment and
role-play scenarios. As far as I'm concerned, paying for their time is fully justified. However, a lot of everyday
women in or outside of BDSM, were thinking, if these women are charging, then so should we. They obviously
realised the financial rewards.

The problem I have; these so called winnable Dommes aren't professionals and therefore, should be considered
as amateurs or novices. Many years ago, I was exchanging messages with a local women from a kinky dating site.
I was looking for a like minded lady to indulge in mutual adult fun. At the time, she told me she enjoyed
sexually dominating men, a divorcee and that she ran her own accountancy business from home. When arranging a meet,
her messages changed from informal to formal and she made numerous demands such as she wanted to meet
in an expensive hotel, charging about £150 per hour, no body contact or touching involved, and would dictate the entire
session scenarios. This would set me back realistically, around £450. If she asked for a gift or few drinks, no problem.
However, financially, I am better off hiring a female escort to my place, with no hotel fees, full contact and opportunity
to explore my fantasies, which would probably cost me £110, including sex if I wanted it. It's a no brainer. She got very
nasty when I declined and told me off for wasting her time. What I don't understand; if we are both employed,
the fact she never stated she was looking for a money arrangement and she clearly isn't a Dominatrix, why should
I be expected to pay for her time? It is totally unfair, unreasonable and greedy, and gives other women a bad
name.

You are either a professional Domme or an amateur partner looking non profiting adult fun, I'm sorry, but you
can't be half and half in one session.


Welcome back to the forums! If you don't mind me saying, after reading what you wrote, I have found that I am still set in my belief that a woman's value is determined by the one who wishes to indulge her.
Your story leads me to believe you were misled by one woman. Does that cast shade on all others?
I also have to say, the "professional Dommes are trained professional" stuff is hogwash. If after years of domming several men, building up her dungeon and so forth, then yes. I would agree. But no one's experience or alleged "training" in this is determined by what tools they have or haven't used/own. I used to sell sex toys and have given many of mine away due to lack of storage. If I had a professional dungeon and didn't care what my family thought of my decision to "sell services", who knows.
But I really laugh when people believe that a proDomme has to be at point Z and not point A, then that means those "trained professionals" never had a learning curve or starting point, which is a fallacy. Anyone can carry a whip around for an hour or two. It is something different entirely to be in charge in a 24/7 setting. If anything, your post shows me how self-serving and short sighted a lot of subs have become and how they do not understand the female Dominant whether from never being collared or having expectation based on a prior D.
I know plenty of married women who have their way with their husbands and never once had the husband considered hiring a prostitute. I feel like if you are going to go outside of your local area to search, prepare to spend but if you expect her to do as you desire then where is the submission? My view is the questions you should be asking are "Is she worth it? Do I respect her? Do I value her?" If the answer is "No, but she will definitely fulfill kinks 1 to 5." Then who is setting themselves up for disappointment?
Again, after knowing many men in my life, I have to say your outlook is not at all mainstream. Not among the men I know.
My boy says for him it is simple. "The Domme makes the rules, the sub complies". That is natural for him.




FieryOpal -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/17/2014 8:35:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

However, financially, I am better off hiring a female escort to my place, with no hotel fees, full contact and opportunity to explore my fantasies, which would probably cost me £110, including sex if I wanted it. It's a no brainer.

Your practical assessment to hire an escort in the form of a BDSM Top would suit your purposes. I have to rely on what a few male sub friends & acquaintences have told me, but service Topping would up the fee, depending on whether you are paying for time or per-act. I have no idea what this would cost you in your area, but unless you are staying in a hotel or motel, only an amateurish sex worker would risk coming over to your "place" as a first-time customer who is not yet a regular client.

Of course I don't know the full extent of your fantasies, but considering that your priority appears to be sexual BDSM gratification and not cultivating a romantic relationship with the women you've described (Domme who agreed to non-sexually Pro-Domme you, using a call girl), you don't come across as a suitable contender for a D/s because you have no *real* submission to offer a Mistress. You have a DO-ME fetish&kink list focused on your primary (foot) fetish, trampling, face-sitting, and bondage.

As such, a call girl advertising a limited menu of BDSM Topping could easily fulfill your needs in a more cost-effective manner, since we're talking monetary costs here.
You don't need a Dominant woman for any of this; all you need is a sex worker who can provide you with the fantasy of FemDom.

The sexual will not afford you full contact, no matter how you look at it. For your own protection as well, you will be dealing in latex barriers. Only an amateur, and a foolish one at that, would allow you un-barriered face-sitting, or not use latex gloves. (Prophylactics, used for bj's also, are a standard practice and go without saying.) Unless you have negotiated a time slot and specified the acts you have scripted ahead of time, you will get charged a fee based per BDSM act plus per sexual act.
I have a feeling, though, that in order for you to explore more than just a few of your fantasies, as well as engaging in any sexual contact, it would cost you more than a hundred pounds or a couple hundred dollars without cutting back or scaling down on what you want done.

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You are either a professional Domme or an amateur partner looking for non profiting adult fun, I'm sorry, but you can't be half and half in one session.

You are either a submissive seeking to get collared by a Mistress, or you're just a kinky bottom/fetishist looking to get his itch scratched. You can't be half and half and not expect to pay for a Domme willing to accommodate your DO-ME session. [:)]




DerangedUnit -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/17/2014 10:06:36 PM)

Half and half(not the sex act that's extra :p) would be interesting... would it be half price? Ha no, in reality you could(in my day) have a gfe who would do that. But it goes in two directions. The ones that will come over and sit on your face are either the really pricey ones that come with paperwork and require you to test usually during the first meeting, and go through a natural dating process where you may or may not do anything the first time around. Or the 10 buck route... or some crack. But hey if you already have herpes go for the nasty stuff then the extra cash can go towards extras




xrampage101 -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 1:37:35 PM)

Thank you your reply and welcome.

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I am still set in my belief that a woman's value is determined by the one who wishes to indulge her.


That is an old fashion perspective. Nowadays, modern women have their own careers, money and independence, and are quite capable of supporting themselves financially. However, if you mean indulging in a women, by spending quality and devoted time, then I think that is a reasonable valid argument. Handing over an endless supply of money, expensive jewellery and gifts to a women who will probably never appreciate it, is truly one sided and a materialistic relationship. The old song 'Money can't buy me love' comes to mind.

It isn't hogwash, being a professional Domme requires a lot of experience, technique, and element of psychology, with the ability to understand their clientele and specific sexual needs. Not to mention facilities like a well equipped dungeon and specialised tools/equipment. Utilising a whip is actually a skill because if it isn't done correctly, it could potentially cause severe scaring or lead to a serious injury.

To some degree, I probably am a self serving person. In the past ten years, I have been very fortune in my career, but at the same time, I don't take it for granted. I try to help others less fortunate than myself. I agree with you, there are a lot of subs out there, who are short sighted and expect all their fantasies to be fulfilled and top from the bottom. It is selfish and arrogant.

I must admit, my experience in BDSM has been an education for me, through trial and error. I started out being brash and out for myself, and concerned about fulfilling my own fantasies. Overtime, I have realised there is more to this world than BDSM, porn sites and fetishes. I enjoy history, art, music, philosophy and science.

I'm not interested in meeting people anymore for like minded encounters, been there done that and it is extremely overrated. When I do things for myself; whether it is buying new clothes or upgrading my car, it is never enough, like an endless void that can't be fulfilled. Helping others and seeing people develop as a consequence is very rewarding and feeling which lasts for a long time. I am content posting messages on these particular forums and having debates with genuine people. My fetishes don't really mean a lot to me anymore.











xrampage101 -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 1:54:31 PM)

I mean, the option of having sex, but I was merely being hypothetical with my comparison and injecting a sense of realism of how most guys think, but nonetheless, point taken about your explanation of the 10 buck route.
I personally don't pay for sex nor do I think I have herpes. I live a boring existence.




GoddessManko -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 2:59:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

Thank you your reply and welcome.

quote:

I am still set in my belief that a woman's value is determined by the one who wishes to indulge her.


That is an old fashion perspective. Nowadays, modern women have their own careers, money and independence, and are quite capable of supporting themselves financially. However, if you mean indulging in a women, by spending quality and devoted time, then I think that is a reasonable valid argument. Handing over an endless supply of money, expensive jewellery and gifts to a women who will probably never appreciate it, is truly one sided and a materialistic relationship. The old song 'Money can't buy me love' comes to mind.

It isn't hogwash, being a professional Domme requires a lot of experience, technique, and element of psychology, with the ability to understand their clientele and specific sexual needs. Not to mention facilities like a well equipped dungeon and specialised tools/equipment. Utilising a whip is actually a skill because if it isn't done correctly, it could potentially cause severe scaring or lead to a serious injury.

To some degree, I probably am a self serving person. In the past ten years, I have been very fortune in my career, but at the same time, I don't take it for granted. I try to help others less fortunate than myself. I agree with you, there are a lot of subs out there, who are short sighted and expect all their fantasies to be fulfilled and top from the bottom. It is selfish and arrogant.

I must admit, my experience in BDSM has been an education for me, through trial and error. I started out being brash and out for myself, and concerned about fulfilling my own fantasies. Overtime, I have realised there is more to this world than BDSM, porn sites and fetishes. I enjoy history, art, music, philosophy and science.

I'm not interested in meeting people anymore for like minded encounters, been there done that and it is extremely overrated. When I do things for myself; whether it is buying new clothes or upgrading my car, it is never enough, like an endless void that can't be fulfilled. Helping others and seeing people develop as a consequence is very rewarding and feeling which lasts for a long time. I am content posting messages on these particular forums and having debates with genuine people. My fetishes don't really mean a lot to me anymore.


OK, that's dandy. I wasn't speaking of monetary value but apparently that's how a woman's worth translates to you and might be a part of why you hold your current opinion.
I must admit with your "experience" of BDSM, one must wonder why you have yet to be collared. Clearly you're the expert here.
And as an FYI, not only do I wield whips, I MAKE THEM. LOL! So tell me again all the skill involved in utilizing them?
Anywho, at least you admit to some degree you are self serving. You work hard for your stuff, I get it. Stuff is a big deal.
Also I have owned several businesses over the years, tried and failed and got back to it on my own with ZERO financial help in this regard (thus far), meaning not only did I not ask a sub/parents/friends/spouse to bail me out of a bad spot, I used my own finances, not loans to get them started (thus far). So spare me the whole "independent woman" diatribe, we're capable of speaking for ourselves.
If your fetishes don't mean much to you anymore that's fine as well, I was not casting judgement on you but you keep trying to tell Dominants how this works. I'm telling you, we ALL had a starting point and not all proDommes are psych majors, it's simply a fact. If you judge a Domme by her level of experience rather than who she is, prepare to pay for that name and reputation but it doesn't necessarily equate to a quality experience. You alone can judge that for yourself. And before you start questioning my experience, I have owned a collared sub, that means a lot to ME if not to you.
But I agree there is so, so much more to life than kink. There we are of the same mind.




PeonForHer -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:23:26 PM)

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I have found that I am still set in my belief that a woman's value is determined by the one who wishes to indulge her.


Hell's bells, GM! That is an *astonishing* line! A hundred years of feminism, utterly wasted! You can't possibly be implying that if no one - presumably, no man - is indulging you at a given time, you're worthless - can you?




GoddessManko -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:28:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I have found that I am still set in my belief that a woman's value is determined by the one who wishes to indulge her.


Hell's bells, GM! That is an *astonishing* line! A hundred years of feminism, utterly wasted! You can't possibly be implying that if no one - presumably, no man - is indulging you at a given time, you're worthless - can you?


Ha, no. It is apparently being taken out of context so I'll elaborate. Those best suited to know a woman's value (which is immeasurable).
1; Those she taught.
2; Those she nurtured.
3; Those she helped.
4; Those she loved.
5; Those (tasks) she has done only heralded by the wind.




PeonForHer -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:29:26 PM)

All right. I get you. But just be careful - I shall be watching you henceforth. ;-)




GoddessManko -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:34:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

All right. I get you. But just be careful - I shall be watching you henceforth. ;-)


Promises, promises peon, we shall see about that. By the way, nice hands. [:D]




YouName -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:35:27 PM)


What if she has taught the Young?
What if she has nurtured the Weak?
What if she has helped the Poor?
And loved those who were loved by no one else?

The wind might whisper then, there might be no thunder.
But that whisper will linger longer and her value will not be judged through those that indulge her but through the multitudes that show her their gratitude.




EmpressElsa -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:35:55 PM)

What a male sub should have to do is up to the Dominant they serve. If you don't like the requirements, then move on and serve someone else.




PeonForHer -> RE: Tribute for a FLR? (12/18/2014 3:41:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EmpressElsa

What a male sub should have to do is up to the Dominant they serve. If you don't like the requirements, then move on and serve someone else.


Me, I find that a dominant's wiggly buttocks make a big difference, EmpressE. Fine pair of wiggly peaches on a woman; her requirements are much easier to accept, i find. [:)]




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