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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/14/2014 12:35:38 PM   
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What we discuss is not democracy but plutocracy, Money already does all of the talking. I do not see the hypocrisy when the repubs refused to call their actions...am attempt to shut the govt, down to get their way any more or less than it is now, that a dem is calling for it.

[It] is the latest partisan tactic given the only defense now for the dems against the votes that have already been bought.

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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/14/2014 2:44:13 PM   
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Ben Franklin was quoted as saying: "When the people find they can vote themselves money, the republic wall fall"



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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/14/2014 3:25:20 PM   
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What we discuss is not democracy but plutocracy, Money already does all of the talking. I do not see the hypocrisy when the repubs refused to call their actions...am attempt to shut the govt, down to get their way any more or less than it is now, that a dem is calling for it.
[It] is the latest partisan tactic given the only defense now for the dems against the votes that have already been bought.


We have a republic, first of all.

The difference was that the GOP was saying they were willing to shut down government to force their hand. For that, Warren blasted them for it, as being a horrible thing, and likened the calls for the GOP to stand their ground to anarchy. Now, Warren is doing the same damn thing, but it's okay.

The thread is about Warren's hypocrisy over her reaction to the GOP's shutdown, and her attempts to prevent a passing vote, which would have shut down government. She knew that would happen, didn't she? I figure it would be worse if she didn't know that, actually.

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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/14/2014 5:53:28 PM   
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What we discuss is not democracy but plutocracy, Money already does all of the talking. I do not see the hypocrisy when the repubs refused to call their actions...am attempt to shut the govt, down to get their way any more or less than it is now, that a dem is calling for it.
[It] is the latest partisan tactic given the only defense now for the dems against the votes that have already been bought.


We have a republic, first of all.

The difference was that the GOP was saying they were willing to shut down government to force their hand. For that, Warren blasted them for it, as being a horrible thing, and likened the calls for the GOP to stand their ground to anarchy. Now, Warren is doing the same damn thing, but it's okay.

The thread is about Warren's hypocrisy over her reaction to the GOP's shutdown, and her attempts to prevent a passing vote, which would have shut down government. She knew that would happen, didn't she? I figure it would be worse if she didn't know that, actually.

Republics can come in many forms. We have a democratically elected one...presumably. Now we have plutocratically purchased republic.

Look, whenever I read this about dems doing what the repubs did, I feel the blogochatter means...she could now be a repub.

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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/15/2014 9:38:29 AM   
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Thank you, this thread had far more topic than attacks.

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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/15/2014 2:56:11 PM   
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Thank you, this thread had far more topic than attacks.

That's cuz I is SOOOOOOOOO good. ~nods~

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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/15/2014 6:22:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
What we discuss is not democracy but plutocracy, Money already does all of the talking. I do not see the hypocrisy when the repubs refused to call their actions...am attempt to shut the govt, down to get their way any more or less than it is now, that a dem is calling for it.
[It] is the latest partisan tactic given the only defense now for the dems against the votes that have already been bought.

We have a republic, first of all.
The difference was that the GOP was saying they were willing to shut down government to force their hand. For that, Warren blasted them for it, as being a horrible thing, and likened the calls for the GOP to stand their ground to anarchy. Now, Warren is doing the same damn thing, but it's okay.
The thread is about Warren's hypocrisy over her reaction to the GOP's shutdown, and her attempts to prevent a passing vote, which would have shut down government. She knew that would happen, didn't she? I figure it would be worse if she didn't know that, actually.

Republics can come in many forms. We have a democratically elected one...presumably. Now we have plutocratically purchased republic.


And. which party isn't purchased?

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Look, whenever I read this about dems doing what the repubs did, I feel the blogochatter means...she could now be a repub.


That's exactly the problem. You can't even accept that a Democrat is being hypocritical. That's all part of your partisanship.

Get over it.


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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/15/2014 8:04:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
What we discuss is not democracy but plutocracy, Money already does all of the talking. I do not see the hypocrisy when the repubs refused to call their actions...am attempt to shut the govt, down to get their way any more or less than it is now, that a dem is calling for it.
[It] is the latest partisan tactic given the only defense now for the dems against the votes that have already been bought.


We have a republic, first of all.

The difference was that the GOP was saying they were willing to shut down government to force their hand. For that, Warren blasted them for it, as being a horrible thing, and likened the calls for the GOP to stand their ground to anarchy. Now, Warren is doing the same damn thing, but it's okay.

The thread is about Warren's hypocrisy over her reaction to the GOP's shutdown, and her attempts to prevent a passing vote, which would have shut down government. She knew that would happen, didn't she? I figure it would be worse if she didn't know that, actually.



You do remember that when warren stated anarchy (and supposedly the moment the OP was talking about) the government shut down wasnt used as a threat, it was actually three days INTO the government shut down??
People from cruz to rubio to paul HAD called for a shut down way before hand, in fact the time line is quite well known.
The situations ARE different, you see it as hypocritical? I see it as sound and noise. braying like donkeys that after the last five years of obstruction, its not fair, the dems are being mean to us...whinging at best.
The fact the bill passed, the government wasnt shut down, warren is not a republican.
Your banks just shafted you all, but you just wanna pretend hypocrisy is the problem here.



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RE: Urgent: Oct 3, 2013: E. Warren rips the GOP "... - 12/16/2014 5:49:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
What we discuss is not democracy but plutocracy, Money already does all of the talking. I do not see the hypocrisy when the repubs refused to call their actions...am attempt to shut the govt, down to get their way any more or less than it is now, that a dem is calling for it.
[It] is the latest partisan tactic given the only defense now for the dems against the votes that have already been bought.

We have a republic, first of all.
The difference was that the GOP was saying they were willing to shut down government to force their hand. For that, Warren blasted them for it, as being a horrible thing, and likened the calls for the GOP to stand their ground to anarchy. Now, Warren is doing the same damn thing, but it's okay.
The thread is about Warren's hypocrisy over her reaction to the GOP's shutdown, and her attempts to prevent a passing vote, which would have shut down government. She knew that would happen, didn't she? I figure it would be worse if she didn't know that, actually.

You do remember that when warren stated anarchy (and supposedly the moment the OP was talking about) the government shut down wasnt used as a threat, it was actually three days INTO the government shut down??
People from cruz to rubio to paul HAD called for a shut down way before hand, in fact the time line is quite well known.
The situations ARE different, you see it as hypocritical? I see it as sound and noise. braying like donkeys that after the last five years of obstruction, its not fair, the dems are being mean to us...whinging at best.
The fact the bill passed, the government wasnt shut down, warren is not a republican.
Your banks just shafted you all, but you just wanna pretend hypocrisy is the problem here.


Actually, she likened the calls in support of the shutdown to anarchy (which clearly was not the case). That she was unsuccessful in attempting to shut down government (by getting enough 'no' votes to not pass the bill), is immaterial. She wanted to shut down government, even though she blasted the GOP for doing it last year.

The banks have not shafted anyone with this. This opens the door for government to use the taxpayers to bail out banks, rather than forcing the banks to use the FDIC. If government refuses to bail the banks out, the banks don't have the FDIC to rely on, so the banks end up shafting themselves with their lending policies (which Bush should have let happened back in 2008).


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