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ORIGINAL: blnymph

getting a sixpack of beers picked from your open garage NEVER can give anyone a legitimate right to take a human life


are you completely mad over there??? is there no difference between juvenile foolishness and a capital crime in your minds and law system?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Way to say things I didn't say, let alone someone to whom I didn't say them.

Difference being -- you're not always whining about it. That's not "blaming the victim," but rather, stop playing the victim.

And...90% of what Bama says is bullshit. When called on it, he goes off on tangents.

Apparently, that's a strategy you're contemplating as well.

I love my home. That wasn't always the case. And I simply wouldn't live long-term somewhere I didn't love.

If you would, I can only say we disagree. Extremely.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

do you expect me to teach you to talk to someone and ask?

(that is if someone approaches you when you are not displaying a sixpack for picking like it was apparently done here ...)

some advices:

use your brains

talk - get loud - deescalate - at night take a torch light with you

teach your males basic rules of civilisation

teach your females self defense (without weapons) - a good kick or an elbow into you know where does wonders

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ORIGINAL: blnymph


yes we had some experiences in a past ... in regard to "Notwehr" (right of self defense) this is discussed since a famous case in 1805


you have your legal system, we got ours - no doubt - and for many good reasons a human life is valued highly

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

getting a sixpack of beers picked from your open garage NEVER can give anyone a legitimate right to take a human life


are you completely mad over there??? is there no difference between juvenile foolishness and a capital crime in your minds and law system?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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So another question, do you teach your kids to behave over there and do you just let them do what ever the fuck they want to because maybe, just maybe if someone had taught this kid to respect other peoples shit he would he home with his momma right now. And while I suspect you feel all superior sitting over there judging us it doesn't help that kid now does it?

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

I replied because I was rhetorically asked what a widow should do ...

yes we had some experiences in a past ... in regard to "Notwehr" (right of self defense) this is discussed since a famous case in 1805

in German law there is something called "intensiver Notwehrexzess" and the case discussed here has everything qualifying for that intensive excess of self defence - and thus qualifying for nothing else but manslaughter (at the least) or deliberate murder

therefore you folks might understand why the interest in this case is so high over here

who wants to send a kid over to another country just to get it shot, and see the public over there where it happened to discuss whether that could have been justified by whatever or emphasizing the "guilt" of the victim as if there is no difference between a pack of beer cans and a human life


you have your legal system, we got ours - no doubt - and for many good reasons a human life is valued highly

but when I read these discussions here which have little to do with legal systems but with everyday violence and how it is dealt with I can't help noticing that some things should be dealt differently than waiting in ambush with a gun

if insulting me as arrogant - I could have a few for you as well but I 'll keep them to myself since I was educated to do that - it has to do with something like manners and the like

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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So another question, do you teach your kids to behave over there and do you just let them do what ever the fuck they want to because maybe, just maybe if someone had taught this kid to respect other peoples shit he would he home with his momma right now. And while I suspect you feel all superior sitting over there judging us it doesn't help that kid now does it?

Answer: No it does not help that kid - but maybe justice might help his parents, and I see there is hope there.

A burglary is a burglary everywhere - and if he d be caught by the police (and a house owner witnessing it happen should have called them asap) he d probably - taken his minor age - face verdicts ranging from social work to being arrested from a number of days to up to 2 months considering whether it was his first offence or not. One could discuss whether that is a sufficient penalty or not, but that's another matter. 17 year old males are widely known for doing extremely stupid things because of adrenaline overdosing (if not any other) and should be taken appropriate care of - emphasis on appropriate. Shooting them is definitely not. They are also infamous for ignoring what they have been taught ifrom early childhood - that's why in my opinion education of males should take that into account.

Answer: There have been discussions about travel warnings to be issued by the Federal Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasizing the dangers of trespassing private property in the USA indeed

one could compare that danger level to those mentioned in the travel warnings issued for Syria or the African jungle - in brief: do not go there, you risk your life

maybe you might be interested in that there is no case reported of a foreign exchange student shot for trespassing or attempted burglary in Germany so your exchange students might be safer here

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

I disagree about your claim of "sweeping generalizations." But I also disagree about a proclaimed "guilt" of the victim that might in the slightest way being used to justify what has happened. No matter of genes but a way of ranking beer cans as private property equal to or higher than a human life. I withdraw the "all" of "are you (all) mad" (I did not write "all" at all but "completely" - but maybe it sounds like that in your opinion) - but outrageous madness that sanctification of private property beer cans is - no matter where.

I am happy that many of the previous posts on this thread called that crime a crime before I did, and I have absolutely no reason to disagree with them. Whether posted by Americans or non-Americans I do not care. So no need to argue about or search for "national DNAs" here in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Mammiloveshergir

I can share many views here - I hope justice will consider limits of lawful self defence

(edited for typos)

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

do you expect me to teach you to talk to someone and ask?

(that is if someone approaches you when you are not displaying a sixpack for picking like it was apparently done here ...)

some advices:

use your brains

talk - get loud - deescalate - at night take a torch light with you

teach your males basic rules of civilisation

teach your females self defense (without weapons) - a good kick or an elbow into you know where does wonders

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A burglary is a burglary everywhere - and if he d be caught by the police (and a house owner witnessing it happen should have called them asap) he d probably - taken his minor age - face verdicts ranging from social work to being arrested from a number of days to up to 2 months considering whether it was his first offence or not.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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A burglary is a burglary everywhere - and if he d be caught by the police (and a house owner witnessing it happen should have called them asap) he d probably - taken his minor age - face verdicts ranging from social work to being arrested from a number of days to up to 2 months considering whether it was his first offence or not.

Burglaries typically have a criminal intent element -- intent to commit a felony or a crime of some particular magnitude.

When I was in my teens, we used to go Pool Hopping. We'd trespass, jump fences, etc. typically at night -- to go swimming in pools where we weren't members. It was fun, and it felt dangerous. Garage Hopping seems very related, but with am element of petty theft attached.

There are group of posters here who strongly advocate protecting "beer cans" (as you call them) with deadly force. It's mind boggling. There is also a whole class of Americans sleeping with guns-at-the-ready in their bedrooms and a swath of innocents killed by them in confrontations.