BamaD
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We the people have made the laws and they do not include assuming that a person is unstable when they don't do what you want.
Really? The people that made the 2nd amendment are still alive, there, BamaD? During a discussion on 'mental and emotional' health of individuals?
A person is considered unstable by a process in all the fifty states and the federal levels. That you really dont realize this concept exists really is sad.
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Unnecessary and uncalled for personal attack.
Where? If I did, I'm sorry. We're all passionate individuals and we get....excited...using words maybe better left unseen.
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Once again disagreeing with you doesn't make me wrong, unstable, or irresponsible.
There is a difference between 'agreeing to disagree' and some lunatic obtaining firearms and slaughtering a school full of kids! That you dont seem to have a problem with this, forces me to question your grip on reality. That guy goes out, kills or wounds someone because something was vitally overlooked. Tell it to the grieving that 'he was ok to have a gun given his medical history'. That's the issue here, BamaD! I like to think that nothing bad will happen. That he has been healed of the reason(s) for the initial treatment. Why is it that I'm the only one in this thread sincerely wishing this man good health?
What this case does, is open the doors to other individuals whom maybe less safe than this 73 year old, and in much better physical health. The worst would be those that are treated for a mild version of Depression, for example, when their problem is much more serious. There exists thousands if not tens of thousands of cases of individuals being in these conditions. Now we are adding a firearm to this issue; what do you expect will happen? That the individual will be instantly cured?
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I do not approve of leting someone decide if I can exorcise any right when they are predisposed to not even believing it is a right in the first place. You have no idea how professional I am in making evaluations, on the other hand the AMA is on record as opposing the 2nd.
An WHY do they oppose it, BamaD? Did you ever sit down and just think it through? They are medical doctors whom spend their lives...HELPING to heal the injured and sick. They would love to have cigarettes and alcohol banned, because they are both the addicting substances. Its not likely to happen. But who do you think treats the fallout when an alcoholic lands in the ER? Who do you think has to treat the bullet holes while the family is wailing in the waiting room, BamaD?
Further, that people that have guns, have them for sane and insane reasons. My view on the 2nd amendment is unique in that I never said to ban them, nor strongly limit them. But there are limits to each of the twenty-seven amendments currently on the books. Giving people whom are not mentally and/or emotionally stable individuals, usually ends in horror. In our country right now, we have US Soldiers whom survived warzones, and they are killing themselves due to problems they cant address!
I think you understand, that I'm both passionate and compassionate of a person. I would not wish someone to have a firearm whom is not in control of their mind, senses, and body. If I have to violate your 2nd amendment right, to keep you from killing yourself, I will! After you get treatment, and show me over different times that you more 'in control', we'll go shooting at the range. We'll go hunting in the back country of New Hampshire. Or go paint balling!
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If we should have a evaluation to prove that we are stable enough to exercise one right should we have them for all rights? Unstable people can do a lot of damage voting, or are you going to tell me that the founders wanted crazy people to vote?
Do you know the number of...actual...crazy people in any given state of the nation? The number is like those 'voter frauds'; very small and irrelevant against the greater tide of voters voting. Of course, if the downward trend of voters keeps going its current direction for twenty years, we might have to deal with the issue more seriously.
People get committed to hospital evaluations for all sorts of reasons, BamaD. The grand majority of them? Have nothing to do with firearms. The reason is to keep them safe and from harming others. They dont get out of that location until a proper set of evaluations are performed. This could take a few days or a few months. Its rare that it would take longer. In those cases, the patient is referred to a special clinic to better help their needs.
Again, I'm worried that this case allows for an unintended consequence pushed forward for political points, rather than, good sound reasoning. That the proper 'checks and balances' were followed in this 73 year old man's life. And that this process is followed by others. That unfortunately, requires a 'gun law' to be created. If that is created into a standing law, I'm 'ok', so long as the process is followed. 'We' as a society will simply deal with any outcome that comes along.
First you are throwing out silly arguments. We the people, if you only count the founders never had background checks, I am sure that when you used that term you were not referring to the founders.
It is both stupid and insulting to say that I don't care about mass murder.
And you say that you haven't used any attacks. This means, if you believe it, that you are so arrogant that anyone who doesn't like big brother is paranoid.
This did not open any door, it just said that not only the restrictive part of the law must be followed but so must the parts giving people recourse. Again if you need an evaluation to exercise on right why not require it for every right.
This will not necessitate the passage of a new gun law except in the minds of people who use every excuse to pass one.
Not wanting a totally subjective ruling on my ability to use any right, I would think that that truth should be self evident.
You have displayed total lack of respect for the founding principals, the founders, the Constitution, and any person atavistic enough to still believe in them.
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