joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And once again you ignore the fact that you at first acknowledged that they thought it was an individual right but that since you have greater wisdom than they had you know we have to pretend it never meant that.
Where does it state in the 2nd, that an insane person can have guns? Did they have medical cures for common mental/emotional disorders back in the 18th century?
All you see is '2nd amendment' and 'fly off the handle' zealously defending something your not entirely educated on before individuals that are. Why is that? Is it because you might have a mental/emotional issue that could make you unstable when around firearms?
An you ignore...ALL...the questions I presented. I frankly dont have to deal with you, until such time as you answer my questions asked in good faith.
Where does it say that they cannot?
How could they create a law to handle an issue they have no knowledge about? Understanding mental and emotional disorders in the 18th century did not exist, let alone treatments or cures. The same reason, and just as silly: "Why didn't the founding fathers create an amendment in the Bill of Rights for Net Neutrality?".
Now that I've answer your question, can you answer mine?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
I would also like to know where you get the idea that situational problems can never get better. The guy in question was depressed 28 years ago over a divorce and was involuntarily committed. His regular doctor and 2 shrinks both testified (or letter wrote) that it was a situational issue.
Where does it mention 'situational problems' in the source?
It doesn't.
How would you define 'situational problems' in exact terms?
Is there a credible source that defines 'situational problems' in exact terms?
Is the word 'situational' even a real word?
The fact the man was committed to a secure location (in this case a hospital it seems), implies SERIOUS problems. In 'todays' terms would the individual have been committed? That's hard to say not knowing the exact details. Even harder to debate the issue, not knowing the evidence.
Where does it show his doctor and two psychologists have testified?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Do you really think that people never get over that kind of thing?
What kind of 'thing' did he have exactly?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Are you really suggesting that things never get better? Because we tell depressed, grieving, sad, or suicidal people that they will. Because if that is the case why are we committing suicidal people instead of helping them off themselves?
Actually, telling a person actually suffering from any of the Depression types "Things will get better', is one of the worst things to do. Since that person will ask you "When?" And now, you have to give an exact time and date (Depression suffers operate that way, believe it not). When you don't answer their question in an exact form, they distrust your viewpoint, and hold a less view that you can help them. Even though what your saying, "Things will get better", means you care about them and to simply hold on. They often don't take it that way.
There is a book I would....HIGHLY....recommend reading: "Talking to Depression" by Claudia J. Strauss. Its a book about helping those around the Depression suffer. You'll find it a very helpful book.
The reason why suicidal people are committed to a secure location is to keep them and others safe. To start the process of diagnosing the problem(s), give them a stable routine if for a little while, and establish a working treatment plan. And they are treated by individuals that have read the above book, or material similar to it.
The ones that come forward with cased on Depression, its estimated by several organizations in the medical community, to be only half the actual population suffering from this illness. That current knowledge and technology does not allow for an accurate testing process that can predict or clarify this or other mental/emotional problems exist. That we in the general population throw around terms like OCD, psycho, depression, and even paranoia; but could not give an accurate definition to these illnesses. Most of the population is not aware that there is a book that houses these and many others in one location: Diagnosis and Statistics Manual, Volume 5.
Would I like the person to be healed from mental/emotional troubles, so they could have a firearm? I would happy if they were healed, without strings attached. The desire to have a firearm or not, is for a different thread.
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