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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/21/2014 1:52:20 PM   
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Unfortunately, it won't be our poor who will benefit.

They're bypassing the OK refineries and spending the extra money to send KXL all the way to the gulf apparently so the petroleum can be exported.

Doesn't help our poor a bit.


Its a world-wide market so, if oil is cheaper on the other side of the planet it is also cheaper here. Therefore contributing to the supply elsewhere does make oil cheaper here


That and OPEC, Russia, and Venezuela all NEED high oil prices. This is one of the reasons that the ruble is in truble. (o left out on porpoise.)

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/21/2014 1:56:51 PM   
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But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?



The poor will benefit.

Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.

Unfortunately, it won't be our poor who will benefit.

They're bypassing the OK refineries and spending the extra money to send KXL all the way to the gulf apparently so the petroleum can be exported.

Doesn't help our poor a bit.

A far better response than I was fashioning to stick a balloon in that false meme

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/21/2014 4:18:33 PM   
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But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?

The poor will benefit.
Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.


No, no, no! The rich will benefit more from this. Do "the poor" use as much energy as "the rich?" I think not. Do "the poor" use more gasoline or jet fuel? I think not.

The GD (bringing some "religion" into the argument for Charles ) 1% will benefit more from this than anyone!!! It's a conspiracy!!!




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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/22/2014 2:36:59 AM   
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It's a conspiracy!!!




Well, there could be a strategic side to this that I haven't seen directly discussed much yet (unless I missed it) but seems kind of obvious...

1. North American oil floods the market forcing prices down.
2. Oil producing countries competing with North America (economically and politically) start losing tons of money and cut production to get prices back up.
3. North America wins a larger portion of the global energy market along with the economic and political power it comes with.
4. Those "opposed to the west" now have less product making it to market at a lower profit margin which translates into less ability to fund their military.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/23/2014 11:51:39 AM   
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It's a conspiracy!!!




Well, there could be a strategic side to this that I haven't seen directly discussed much yet (unless I missed it) but seems kind of obvious...

1. North American oil floods the market forcing prices down.
2. Oil producing countries competing with North America (economically and politically) start losing tons of money and cut production to get prices back up.
3. North America wins a larger portion of the global energy market along with the economic and political power it comes with.
4. Those "opposed to the west" now have less product making it to market at a lower profit margin which translates into less ability to fund their military.

here in Houston where Oil is Big.. they are talking about reduced expansion and development and jobs being lost.. lower prices cuts both ways.. just sayin'..

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/25/2014 6:04:21 AM   
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Unfortunately, it won't be our poor who will benefit.

They're bypassing the OK refineries and spending the extra money to send KXL all the way to the gulf apparently so the petroleum can be exported.

Doesn't help our poor a bit.


Its a world-wide market so, if oil is cheaper on the other side of the planet it is also cheaper here. Therefore contributing to the supply elsewhere does make oil cheaper here

Are you honestly so fucking ignorant of world supply vs potential KXL output that you think it could drop the worldwide price by so much as a penny?

The irony is that those on the right call others "sheeple" when all they do is bleat the platitudes that they've been told to.

World production of oil is 74 Million plus barrels/day. as of 2012 and has continued to rise http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=oil&graph=production
Potential KXL transport is like peeing in the Mississippi river compared to that.
Add that it is low quality bitumen and only those who are totally clueless would hold to that theory.

Oh yeah, I forgot who I was replying to.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/25/2014 7:08:01 AM   
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Are you honestly so fucking ignorant of world supply vs potential KXL output that you think it could drop the worldwide price by so much as a penny?

The irony is that those on the right call others "sheeple" when all they do is bleat the platitudes that they've been told to.

World production of oil is 74 Million plus barrels/day. as of 2012 and has continued to rise http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=oil&graph=production
Potential KXL transport is like peeing in the Mississippi river compared to that.
Add that it is low quality bitumen and only those who are totally clueless would hold to that theory.

Oh yeah, I forgot who I was replying to.


If any of these trolls really had valid points they wouldnt have to try so desperately to make every thread about me

Mindless trolls

As if all of the Canadian shale deposits contain nothing

They rabidly oppose the pipeline because it will carry nothing

Useless fucking idiots, they rarely actually contribute to these threads, the best they can try to do is drive thoughtful people away with their constant Alinsky bs

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/26/2014 2:11:25 PM   
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World production of oil is 74 Million plus barrels/day. as of 2012 and has continued to rise http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=oil&graph=production
Potential KXL transport is like peeing in the Mississippi river compared to that.
Add that it is low quality bitumen


Exactly.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 7:49:28 AM   
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As if all of the Canadian shale deposits contain nothing

They rabidly oppose the pipeline because it will carry nothing


1. The pipeline is slated to carry the product of Tar Sands, not Shale oh ignorant one.

2. I have never said it shouldn't be built, only that it should not be built in a new ROW thus violating the constitutional rights of hundreds or thousands of landowners against seizure of private property for private use.

Conservatives care about such things.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 7:50:53 AM   
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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 8:37:41 AM   
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Or they used to.


Rights matter to leftists only when theyre critical to the propaganda du jour

How do they react though, when their masters give strict orders to the IRS that everyone shall patronize big insurance or face punishment for example

The rights of those who work exceptionally hard to accumulate personal wealth

"Rights? (spit). Get back in line, comrade, this is for the greater good."

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 8:49:58 AM   
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"Rights? (spit). Get back in line, comrade, this is for the greater good."

Apparently, that's exactly how supporters of the pipeline feel.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 8:51:41 AM   
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Or they used to.


Rights matter to leftists only when theyre critical to the propaganda du jour

How do they react though, when their masters give strict orders to the IRS that everyone shall patronize big insurance or face punishment for example

The rights of those who work exceptionally hard to accumulate personal wealth

"Rights? (spit). Get back in line, comrade, this is for the greater good."

When did you start to hate the constitution?

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 11:30:12 AM   
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"Rights? (spit). Get back in line, comrade, this is for the greater good."

Apparently, that's exactly how supporters of the pipeline feel.


By your "logic" roads and power lines, irrigation canals and airports are all crimes against humanity

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 12:34:07 PM   
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"Rights? (spit). Get back in line, comrade, this is for the greater good."

Apparently, that's exactly how supporters of the pipeline feel.


By your "logic" roads and power lines, irrigation canals and airports are all crimes against humanity

No, the things you mentioned before are PUBLIC works projects as allowed in the Constitution.
This is a private enterprise project.

I'm curious where you got your "This is for the greater good" comment.
Was it Marx? Was it Mao's Little Red Book or maybe the writings of Pol Pot?

You claim to be a conservative but you talk more like a Socialist.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 1:10:49 PM   
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No, the things you mentioned before are PUBLIC works projects as allowed in the Constitution.
This is a private enterprise project.

I'm curious where you got your "This is for the greater good" comment.
Was it Marx? Was it Mao's Little Red Book or maybe the writings of Pol Pot?

You claim to be a conservative but you talk more like a Socialist.


If a road dead ends only the person at the end of it benefits from the road. Only canal companies and certain farmers and other end users benefit from canals.

And so on.

What are the odds that you are using energy right now, and have something made of plastic within arms reach as you read this

I wouldnt bet against it

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/27/2014 2:31:56 PM   
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No, the things you mentioned before are PUBLIC works projects as allowed in the Constitution.
This is a private enterprise project.

I'm curious where you got your "This is for the greater good" comment.
Was it Marx? Was it Mao's Little Red Book or maybe the writings of Pol Pot?

You claim to be a conservative but you talk more like a Socialist.


If a road dead ends only the person at the end of it benefits from the road. Only canal companies and certain farmers and other end users benefit from canals.

And so on.

What are the odds that you are using energy right now, and have something made of plastic within arms reach as you read this

I wouldnt bet against it

IF a road dead ends?
Then it benefits the taxpayer at the end and ALL others who wish to use it
You claim only canal companies benefit from canals.
Are you saying that canals have no recreational use for EVERYONE?

Not only Socialist but ignorant I see.

I can't fix stupid but I can certainly point it out and laugh.

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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/28/2014 7:43:49 AM   
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3 pages so far and I don't see any mention of why gas prices dropped. Saudi Arabia increased oil production because they want to make the Keystone pipeline unviable. They also claim they won't reduce production even if oil drops to $20/barrel.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/22/us-saudi-opec-idUSKBN0K012K20141222


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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/28/2014 7:45:31 AM   
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RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable - 12/28/2014 8:40:38 AM   
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No, the things you mentioned before are PUBLIC works projects as allowed in the Constitution.
This is a private enterprise project.

I'm curious where you got your "This is for the greater good" comment.
Was it Marx? Was it Mao's Little Red Book or maybe the writings of Pol Pot?

You claim to be a conservative but you talk more like a Socialist.


If a road dead ends only the person at the end of it benefits from the road. Only canal companies and certain farmers and other end users benefit from canals.

And so on.

What are the odds that you are using energy right now, and have something made of plastic within arms reach as you read this

I wouldnt bet against it

IF a road dead ends?
Then it benefits the taxpayer at the end and ALL others who wish to use it


Oil companies are taxpayers, and (again) the odds that you typed your response on a keyboard MADE from oil are pretty high

So you benefit too

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You claim only canal companies benefit from canals.
Are you saying that canals have no recreational use for EVERYONE?


I was referring to irrigation canals, and apologize if I wasnt clear. Further, out here in the West most irrigation canals belong to a canal company and are too dangerous for recreation, and it is illegal to trespass on canal company easements

I find it interesting how you feel you have to post an obvious lie, try to smear me as a socialist... First of all, those whose arguments hinge on ad hominems or other such logical fallacies obviously argue from weak and desperate positions (or perhaps have weak minds)

Try to step up your game if you want to be taken seriously on here

Second, as a general rule with capitalism there is plenty to go around

With socialism, not so much

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