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Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 6:29:06 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 6:41:19 PM

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Can you give us a link, JAS?

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 6:42:02 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 6:43:42 PM

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No because that witness as well as others that obviously lied were exposed as lairs by the prosecutors in questioning. This was considered by the Grand Jury. The witness I believe you were talking about, that supported Wilson, was not even in the area and that was pointed out to the Jury. Just as another witness who claimed to have seen Wilson execute Brown with hands up had a building between herself and where he was shot and could not see the shooting.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 6:57:02 PM

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Can you give us a link, JAS?

https://www.google.com/search?q=witnesses+who+lied+in+ferguson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Been seeing several stories on-line and on tv talking about it. This is what Google brought up.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 6:58:04 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

I suspect many more good cops are going to die if we don't start doing something about the out of control ones.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 7:05:54 PM

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Can you give us a link, JAS?

https://www.google.com/search?q=witnesses+who+lied+in+ferguson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Been seeing several stories on-line and on tv talking about it. This is what Google brought up.

Thanks.

Oh dear. This doesn't look good.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 7:24:14 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

I suspect many more good cops are going to die if we don't start doing something about the out of control ones.

Or if we don't sacrifice good cops painted as bad ones by the anti cop faction.
Don't tell me you don't understand the significance of the FACT that Brown attacked Wilson.
The protesters in NYC weren't calling for the control of bad cops, they were calling for the death of all cops. Of course they deny any responsibility for the shootings in NYC.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 7:28:04 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

There is nothing here that most of us didn't already know, as pointed out earlier these lies, on both sides were exposed during the grand jury investigation.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 8:31:08 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

I suspect many more good cops are going to die if we don't start doing something about the out of control ones.

Or if we don't sacrifice good cops painted as bad ones by the anti cop faction.
Don't tell me you don't understand the significance of the FACT that Brown attacked Wilson.
The protesters in NYC weren't calling for the control of bad cops, they were calling for the death of all cops. Of course they deny any responsibility for the shootings in NYC.

Pshaw, Bama...don't forget, there were "only" 100 or so protesters shouting that. So...so few as compared to allllll the peaceful protesters. Of COURSE, there was no WAY they had any responsibility or even influenced others.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 8:33:23 PM

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I don't think anyone downplayed it. Why are you so hot to downplay 24,900 peaceful protestors?

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 8:34:03 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

I suspect many more good cops are going to die if we don't start doing something about the out of control ones.

I see you are really broken up by the death of theses cops, both of whom were minorities.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 8:37:11 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

I suspect many more good cops are going to die if we don't start doing something about the out of control ones.

Or if we don't sacrifice good cops painted as bad ones by the anti cop faction.
Don't tell me you don't understand the significance of the FACT that Brown attacked Wilson.
The protesters in NYC weren't calling for the control of bad cops, they were calling for the death of all cops. Of course they deny any responsibility for the shootings in NYC.

Pshaw, Bama...don't forget, there were "only" 100 or so protesters shouting that. So...so few as compared to allllll the peaceful protesters. Of COURSE, there was no WAY they had any responsibility or even influenced others.

Who, other than left wing anti cop faithful were surprised by this?

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/20/2014 9:01:04 PM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

No,double jeopardy would preclude that.
A federal case might be made....but not one for manslaughter or murder,which are crimes under the jurisdiction of the respective states

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/21/2014 3:18:28 AM

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I have also been doing some research on legal sites. The majority seem to indicate that, since there was not a trial, there could be an indictment, but not surprisingly, legal jargon is worded in ways that are not easily understood.

We have got to find a way to hold cops accountable, without tying their hands so they hesitate in life or death circumstances. I just have no idea how we can do that. It all makes me very sad.

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I see you are really broken up by the death of theses cops, both of whom were minorities.

How dare you think you have any fucking clue about my feelings towards the loss of these 2 INNOCENT officers. Go fuck your self.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/21/2014 7:06:49 AM

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That's not the case actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause

Jeopardy attaches in jury trial when the jury is empaneled and sworn in, in a bench trial when the court begins to hear evidence after the first witness is sworn in, or when a court accepts a defendant's plea unconditionally.[2] Jeopardy does not attach in a retrial of a conviction that was reversed on appeal on procedural grounds (as opposed to evidentiary insufficiency grounds), in a retrial for which "manifest necessity" has been shown following a mistrial, and in the seating of another grand jury if the prior one refuses to return an indictment.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/21/2014 7:42:30 AM

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I don't think anyone downplayed it. Why are you so hot to downplay 24,900 peaceful protestors?

Because they didn't advocate death for those sworn to protect us. Why would I bring them up?

Tell you what MM...next time you bring a post to the board that plays up anything someone from the right of center has done that you recognize as being a good thing, I'll do the same thing for something someone from the left has done.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/21/2014 7:48:45 AM

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Now that all the stories are coming to light about the lies told by "witnesses" in the Michael Brown shooting, could they reconvene and decide to indict?

You forget the lies told by the witnesses against Wilson, things which were impossible and which one "witness" admitted was most likely a mental illness induced delusion. Another who admitted that he didn't see it but testified to "an execution" because that was the only way he could envision it happening.
Most importantly there is no question but that Brown attacked Wilson in the car, that makes indictment impossible unless Wilson stood over him pumping rounds into his inert body.
Did you hear that the guy who shot two cops in NYC said he did it because he was inspired by the protests?
Guess the cop haters got their pound of flesh after all.

I suspect many more good cops are going to die if we don't start doing something about the out of control ones.

Or if we don't sacrifice good cops painted as bad ones by the anti cop faction.
Don't tell me you don't understand the significance of the FACT that Brown attacked Wilson.
The protesters in NYC weren't calling for the control of bad cops, they were calling for the death of all cops. Of course they deny any responsibility for the shootings in NYC.

Pshaw, Bama...don't forget, there were "only" 100 or so protesters shouting that. So...so few as compared to allllll the peaceful protesters. Of COURSE, there was no WAY they had any responsibility or even influenced others.

Who, other than left wing anti cop faithful were surprised by this?

Exactly. And while some may have been surprised, I'd be willing to bet that there were those on the edge...Ayers, Dohrn to name just one cute couple...who were not.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/21/2014 2:20:05 PM

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I don't think anyone downplayed it. Why are you so hot to downplay 24,900 peaceful protestors?

Because they didn't advocate death for those sworn to protect us. Why would I bring them up?

Tell you what MM...next time you bring a post to the board that plays up anything someone from the right of center has done that you recognize as being a good thing, I'll do the same thing for something someone from the left has done.

Not a question of playing up -- it's a question of you deliberately misrepresenting something by false extrapolation.

Whatever mental dance you need to do to pretend to justify it.

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RE: Could there be a Ferguson, Part 2? - 12/21/2014 5:31:18 PM

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I have also been doing some research on legal sites. The majority seem to indicate that, since there was not a trial, there could be an indictment, but not surprisingly, legal jargon is worded in ways that are not easily understood.

We have got to find a way to hold cops accountable, without tying their hands so they hesitate in life or death circumstances. I just have no idea how we can do that. It all makes me very sad.

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I see you are really broken up by the death of theses cops, both of whom were minorities.

How dare you think you have any fucking clue about my feelings towards the loss of these 2 INNOCENT officers. Go fuck your self.

Its what he does JAS, pay no notice to him. Some on here think that because someone likes the idea of justice for everyone, they are anti-cop.

The following link from your list certainly is eye opening.

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-prosecutor-some-witnesses-lied-including-woman-who-didn-t-see-shooting-000602852.html

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