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Charles6682 -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (12/26/2014 9:08:57 AM)

I do agree. The Masculine and the Feminine Divine unite. Like the Ying/Yang. The reason I mentioned the Feminine Divine in particular in this thread, is because it does not get mentioned enough in my opinion. I feel the Scared Masculine "God" does not need a new image because I feel the true God, is a kind and caring God. Not the wrathful "God" that some organized religion have given God over the centuries. When Goddess/God, Feminine/Masculine unite, it completes the balance . A lot of this thread is something for myself personally. I am aware of the Masculine Divine but I personally to needed embrace the Feminine Divine more clear for myself
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Genesis 1:26-28

... 27"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."
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Second; in order for God to create male and female in God's own image, it follows, logically, that God must be both male and female.
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So, to my mind, the idea of femininity in the Divine is, essentially, a no-brainer.


That's too logical for most folks, Michael. [:D] (But I still love it anyway.)

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

OP, while there's nothing wrong with believing in the Divine Feminine, this is only half of the Yin/Yang energies which permeate the Cosmos; it's half of the coin.
In other words, this is not an either/or one-sided proposition. Both should be embraced in a symbiatic* union.

(* Yes, this is getting red-underlined, but "symbiotic" has the connotation of co-dependency, whereas "symbiatic" has more of a synergistic interdependency dynamic.)





FieryOpal -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (12/26/2014 6:56:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I do agree. The Masculine and the Feminine Divine unite. Like the Ying/Yang. The reason I mentioned the Feminine Divine in particular in this thread, is because it does not get mentioned enough in my opinion. I feel the Scared Masculine "God" does not need a new image because I feel the true God, is a kind and caring God. Not the wrathful "God" that some organized religion have given God over the centuries. When Goddess/God, Feminine/Masculine unite, it completes the balance . A lot of this thread is something for myself personally. I am aware of the Masculine Divine but I personally to needed embrace the Feminine Divine more clear for myself

I figured as much, but there are those who reject the one for the other by swinging over to an extreme theology. Feminine energies have long been celebrated in Mother Nature. She is both Provider, Sustainer, Protector and awe-inspiring Destroyer. If you don't do things her way, according to her laws, then she will cut you off at the knees. Make no mistake, she is not to be trifled with. Even in organized religion, though, the feminine aspect of the Godhead is revealed as Wisdom and venerated as "Sophia" by religious mystics (reminiscent of how the Greek Goddess of Wisdom Athena sprang full armed from her father Zeus's head with a battle cry). You will see this in the Eastern Orthodox & Greek Orthodox Christianity traditions.




Charles6682 -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/15/2015 3:51:29 PM)

I have been thinking about this particular post for a few week's now. I agree a healthy balance is needed. Not just one or the other. Believing in the Goddess can be just as much mental as it is spiritual for me. I grew up believing to fear God in the Christian religion. I now try to believe God is a loving and caring God. Same thing with the Goddess. I try to imagine Her as a caring, loving Goddess. That said, I am only one person. I certainly would not want to make God or Goddess upset. I don't try to mess with spiritual thing's that I don't understand. I still struggle between my childhood faith and my adult faith at times. I do my best to keep true love as my main motivation in life. I feel as long as I do that, I can't see where I can wrong. Just trying to be a better person, help those when I can and I seek no harm on anyone in the process. I like a lot of the teachings of Jesus, love thy neighbor as yourself, help others. Those things I admire. I don't try to get caught up in the hellfire and brimstone aspect because I can't see how that is helpful to me in any way.

I started this thread really as more of a way to remind myself where my Spirituality stands these days. Also to start a healthy, open conversation on the idea of the Goddess or Feminine Divine as anyone chose's to call Her. I am learning a lot from other people's opinions and viewpoints on this matter.
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal


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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I do agree. The Masculine and the Feminine Divine unite. Like the Ying/Yang. The reason I mentioned the Feminine Divine in particular in this thread, is because it does not get mentioned enough in my opinion. I feel the Scared Masculine "God" does not need a new image because I feel the true God, is a kind and caring God. Not the wrathful "God" that some organized religion have given God over the centuries. When Goddess/God, Feminine/Masculine unite, it completes the balance . A lot of this thread is something for myself personally. I am aware of the Masculine Divine but I personally to needed embrace the Feminine Divine more clear for myself

I figured as much, but there are those who reject the one for the other by swinging over to an extreme theology. Feminine energies have long been celebrated in Mother Nature. She is both Provider, Sustainer, Protector and awe-inspiring Destroyer. If you don't do things her way, according to her laws, then she will cut you off at the knees. Make no mistake, she is not to be trifled with. Even in organized religion, though, the feminine aspect of the Godhead is revealed as Wisdom and venerated as "Sophia" by religious mystics (reminiscent of how the Greek Goddess of Wisdom Athena sprang full armed from her father Zeus's head with a battle cry). You will see this in the Eastern Orthodox & Greek Orthodox Christianity traditions.





BecomingV -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/20/2015 5:43:38 PM)

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One thing that I recently learned is that even within the wall's of Christianity, there is a Feminine Divine which has been suppressed by mainstream Christians thousands of years now.

In Catholicism and Orthodoxy, the Virgin Mary comes awfully close to being a Feminine Divine.


True, but not the sort of goddess that might sit on one's face. Perish the thought ....


Peon - LOL IDK, they said, "virgin" - not "asexual" and not "celibate." She could have been very much into face-sitting as it is not a reproductive function. (It's just one that makes reproducing fun.) You tube has a hilarious video on Christian virginity and anal sex. Does that mean that gay men are perpetual virgins?

dcnovice - The Catholic Church has the Blue Army, which is comprised of women who give special devotion to Mary. It is a bone of contention for priests who can be heard warning the women to take care not to worship her more than they worship Jesus. True. LOL Gotta keep that patriarchy maintained!




BecomingV -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/20/2015 6:01:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Since I was raised a Traditional Catholic, I was indoctrinated with the idea of the Holy Trinity - three Divine persons in one God. When I was old enough to formulate the question (five or six years old), I asked my priest just how that happened. My priest said that God, the Father and God, the Son looked at each other and the love that exuded from them formed the Holy Spirit.


I was raised Catholic, too, but back when I was a kid we still read and said, "Holy Ghost." "Holy Spirit" was a modernization of the term. I think that might be a clue.




Kirata -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/20/2015 6:34:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

I think that has it backwards, unless you are not a monotheist, because the notion that everything starts with two would constitute a dualistic monotheism, which is self-contradictory.

K.





FieryOpal -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/20/2015 7:56:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

I think that has it backwards, unless you are not a monotheist, because the notion that everything starts with two would constitute a dualistic monotheism, which is self-contradictory.

K.

The concept of a Triune Being, who is 3-in-1, has always been considered a great mystery. Perhaps the greatest of mysteries in the cosmos.

Consider the Immaculate Conception, as another example, and how hard it is for many to wrap their heads around that also.

I see your point, and within the time-space continuum of the material universe, our limited comprehension of the Divine, is...limited.
But you're right in that I left off the beginning part of that, which is that 1 becomes 2, and so on. We have been given our instructive parallel within Nature, with cell (or with nuclear) fission and how this process begets life.




Musicmystery -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 5:41:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

I think that has it backwards, unless you are not a monotheist, because the notion that everything starts with two would constitute a dualistic monotheism, which is self-contradictory.

K.



Exactly. From pure divine essence/potentiality flows dualism -- that's the trinity. From trinity flows form.




vincentML -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 6:48:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

I think that has it backwards, unless you are not a monotheist, because the notion that everything starts with two would constitute a dualistic monotheism, which is self-contradictory.

K.



Exactly. From pure divine essence/potentiality flows dualism -- that's the trinity. From trinity flows form.

Only for those who cannot imagine the eternal existence of material essence ex-divinity. Divinity is just another god in the bush, a superstition.




vincentML -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 6:51:37 AM)

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I have been thinking about this particular post for a few week's now. I agree a healthy balance is needed. Not just one or the other. Believing in the Goddess can be just as much mental as it is spiritual for me. I grew up believing to fear God in the Christian religion. I now try to believe God is a loving and caring God. Same thing with the Goddess. I try to imagine Her as a caring, loving Goddess.


Well then, you can always have Snow White sit on your face. Surely, she is the goddess you seek. [8|]




Musicmystery -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 6:56:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

I think that has it backwards, unless you are not a monotheist, because the notion that everything starts with two would constitute a dualistic monotheism, which is self-contradictory.

K.



Exactly. From pure divine essence/potentiality flows dualism -- that's the trinity. From trinity flows form.

Only for those who cannot imagine the eternal existence of material essence ex-divinity. Divinity is just another god in the bush, a superstition.

Semantics. Since the context of the discussion is in fact the divine, the term is apt.

Call it what you will.




Kirata -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 7:33:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Divinity is just another god in the bush, a superstition.

Ooooo look, a hooded priest reciting his catechism. Let's take a picture!

K.





vincentML -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 7:34:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

I think that has it backwards, unless you are not a monotheist, because the notion that everything starts with two would constitute a dualistic monotheism, which is self-contradictory.

K.



Exactly. From pure divine essence/potentiality flows dualism -- that's the trinity. From trinity flows form.

Only for those who cannot imagine the eternal existence of material essence ex-divinity. Divinity is just another god in the bush, a superstition.

Semantics. Since the context of the discussion is in fact the divine, the term is apt.

Call it what you will.

I call it an empty egg shell and much to do about nothing. Mixing metaphors, dancing around a non-existent ghost and calling it spirituality.




Musicmystery -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 7:45:58 AM)

Not what I said at all. You're stuck in a "these guys think there's a god" mode and and not at all reading what I really wrote.

Energy travels in waves. As soon as it exists, there's duality. From there, interaction of basic energies creates our world. Ask a physicist.

But if you've discovered the natural forces that move pure energy into manifestation, I look forward to your published paper.





vincentML -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 11:50:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not what I said at all. You're stuck in a "these guys think there's a god" mode and and not at all reading what I really wrote.

Energy travels in waves. As soon as it exists, there's duality. From there, interaction of basic energies creates our world. Ask a physicist.

But if you've discovered the natural forces that move pure energy into manifestation, I look forward to your published paper.



Your replying to comments on modes of monotheism did leave the door open to my interpreting supernatural musings. It did not help that you used the descriptor 'divine' essence/potentiality. Either you are talking natural physics or metaphysics. You can't have it both ways, nor now back away without acknowledging you are doing so. I mean, of course you can, but that would be rather timid.

The fact that energy travels in waves and we are confronted with the dilemma of apparent duality does not ascribe any divinity to that energy. If you can make the connection between energy and divinity through the tools of physics please lead on. I would be especially interested in your breakthrough if you find something 'divine' in the vibrations in string theory.




Musicmystery -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 12:01:27 PM)

Since I've already answered and explained exactly that, and you just skipped over it, go back and have another look.

If you just want to feel better, go ahead. Have fun.




vincentML -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 12:14:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since I've already answered and explained exactly that, and you just skipped over it, go back and have another look.

If you just want to feel better, go ahead. Have fun.

You may wish to call it an explanation but it seems rather weak. I didn't skip over anything. I am asking you to choose between a metaphysical explanation which you developed in one posting and a physical explanation which it seems you now wish to adopt. Duality in physics does not mean the same as duality in metaphysics and certainly does not imply spiritual essence. Are you still holding to spiritual essence?




Musicmystery -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (1/21/2015 12:18:58 PM)

Okie dokie then. Glad you worked it out.

Maybe later you'll 'splain it to me.





MasterGlenn -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (2/4/2015 1:31:52 PM)

god made adam in his own likeness , but he then made women , with far more sensitive genetalia , and the ability to have have multiple orgasms, he had a plan , women should enjoy sex and are lesser then men
seems simple enough to me




Lucylastic -> RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine (2/4/2015 1:36:09 PM)

welcome to the boards
are you saying that god gave nipples to adam for a reason?




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