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Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/28/2014 8:45:30 PM

Alpha03

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I have been interested in the idea of hypnosis since childhood and would love hear from those that have actually experienced it. I'm not talking about a deep relaxed / meditative state or a drug induced change of consciousness, but an actual true hypnotic state.
From everything I have seen and read it's a crock of crap. It doesn't exist. I'd love to be proven wrong.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/28/2014 9:26:58 PM

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I have been interested in the idea of hypnosis since childhood and would love hear from those that have actually experienced it. I'm not talking about a deep relaxed / meditative state or a drug induced change of consciousness, but an actual true hypnotic state.
From everything I have seen and read it's a crock of crap. It doesn't exist. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Hypnosis probably doesn't exist in the way you're envisioning it. The scientific support for it is scant. Hypnosis advocates admit that it relies heavily on the placebo effect. I was "hypnotized" once in a stage show, and played along with the suggestions, but I could have stopped at any time.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/28/2014 9:35:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha03

I have been interested in the idea of hypnosis since childhood and would love hear from those that have actually experienced it. I'm not talking about a deep relaxed / meditative state or a drug induced change of consciousness, but an actual true hypnotic state.
From everything I have seen and read it's a crock of crap. It doesn't exist. I'd love to be proven wrong.

My ex and I went to a show in Denver with...I believe...Kreskin. He put her under and gave her several things to do. When O talked to her afterwards, she swore she could not recall doing any of what he had her do.

My biggest disappointment revolved him not being able to leave her in a more amenable state than I'd seen her in in awhile.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/28/2014 9:43:59 PM

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I went to a hypnotherapist for help with a severe phobia. I had roughly 12 sessions and it was very effective. As I understand it people differ in their susceptibility to hypnosis.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 2:16:15 AM

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I tried everything to stop smoking but only hypnosis worked. The problem with quitting smoking is, its the cravings that drive you mad and inevitably back to the weed. After hypnosis I simply didn't crave nicotine.

I think the most impressive is an American friend of mine. 15 years ago she was was on a plane that had to crash land. She didn't sustain any injuries but found her fear of flying crippling. She's an actress who lives primarily in the UK but had to go back and forth to America for regular film shoots. The only way she travelled back and forth was by ship. Her husband and children would hop on a plane whilst she took the longer route. She spent a few days doing a course with people who were plane phobic. By the end of the course most of the participants went on a flight but not her. Even the sight of the plane had her hyperventilating.

She had a six or 8 week hypnotherapy course about a year ago and immediately after that she flew over to Turin to meet up with us. She said she didn't know what it was the hypnotist did but she felt absolutely fine and didn't spend all week worried about the flight back. She has since flown back and forth from California twice with no problem. I have to say, after watching her for years with that crippling phobia and seeing what she's like after a course of hypnosis, I'm very convinced that hypnosis breaks down barriers that would otherwise be impenetrable.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 5:29:59 AM

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Hypnosis is real. People do vary in their susceptibility. Even susceptible people cannot be hypnotized to do things that are against who they see themselves as at their core.

Not only have I been hypnotized, I have self-induced trance, and I have hypnotized others. In fact, one of my favorite uses of hypnosis is in inducing orgasms, and unlocking orgasmic ability from the mind.

It can be quite an amazing experience, especially for those who have blocks.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 5:37:26 AM

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Hypnosis is real. People do vary in their susceptibility. Even susceptible people cannot be hypnotized to do things that are against who they see themselves as at their core.

Not only have I been hypnotized, I have self-induced trance, and I have hypnotized others. In fact, one of my favorite uses of hypnosis is in inducing orgasms, and unlocking orgasmic ability from the mind.

It can be quite an amazing experience, especially for those who have blocks.

Believe it or not, an orgasm starts in the mind, it just lands elsewhere. Preach it, Nookie

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 8:57:24 AM

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I'm not sure what you mean by a true hypnotic state. I've seen a few different types of hypnosis; stage, as a cure for shyness (not me personally) and I had a partner who was a hypnotherapist.

The stage things seems stupid to me but its also strange that so many people would act that way without being hypnotised. I've seen it a few times, with people that I know getting up on the stage too. They always seem to be held in large venues so there's room for trickery and I guess there is always going to be an odd extrovert who doesn't mind being the centre of attention whilst making somewhat of a fool of themselves, susceptible or not.

The therapy I watched was a one off session, its iffy if it worked or not over time but it didn't make anything worse.

My ex once talked me through a panic attack when my dad was dying and that was a trance-like experience in which he used certain techniques and it was really effective, but we didn't play with it. He regularly uses self-hypnosis too. I think its real and a good thing in the right hands.

ETA that was supposed to be in reply to the OP

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 10:30:59 AM

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Hypnosis is real. People do vary in their susceptibility. Even susceptible people cannot be hypnotized to do things that are against who they see themselves as at their core.

Not only have I been hypnotized, I have self-induced trance, and I have hypnotized others. In fact, one of my favorite uses of hypnosis is in inducing orgasms, and unlocking orgasmic ability from the mind.

It can be quite an amazing experience, especially for those who have blocks.

Believe it or not, an orgasm starts in the mind, it just lands elsewhere. Preach it, Nookie

Oh yeah! Orgasm is my religion!

Wanna worship with me, hot stuff? *eyebrow waggle*

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 11:22:23 AM

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Get a ROOM!!!

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/29/2014 2:41:13 PM

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someone tried to hypnosis me once and it failed.... so I personally don't believe it to be true but I could be wrong

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/30/2014 10:30:27 AM

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I do believe that hypnosis is legitimate. The thing about hypnosis is not everyone is able to be hypnotized and that depends on the the willingness of the person and yes, it also depends on the ability of the hypnotizer. I had one experience many years ago when I attended hypnotist entertainer. It was partially successful in that I did follow some of his suggestions. It might have been a more successful experience if it wasn't for the fact that I was on a stage in front of hundreds of people and one suggestion was for me to dance. Those were the two triggers which stopped me from returning to the stage after the intermission.

Like some have stated, if a suggestion is made that aligns with a person's core values, then they can be suggested to act upon said ideas otherwise you can not hypnotize a person to commit a crime or act against their core self.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/30/2014 10:41:29 AM

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As a few have said; it is absolutely possible to hypnotize a small (I believe it's something like 10-15%) portion of the population, in the manner which you describe.

Something that Bear said sticks out like a sore thumb, though (in that he's correct and many people don't realize this fact). One cannot be hypnotized into doing something that they wouldn't "normally" do, anyway. Normally is in quotes because it could be something that one would only do under the most optimum of conditions but, for example, you can't hypnotize a true pacifist to become a prize fighter. At their core, they just will not do it.

You might be able to hypnotize them into hitting the heavy bag or the speed bag or even, perhaps, being better at jumping rope but you're not going to get that true pacifist to hit another human being.

I also happen to know for a fact that even people who can't be hypnotized by others (in the manner the OP describes) can be able to engage in self-hypnosis. However, by necessity, that is not a similar state. I was tested, many times, to see if I could be hypnotized and I can't but if it weren't for self-hypnosis, I'd never get any sleep.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/30/2014 7:35:15 PM

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Alpha :) I love this topic! Your OP is vanilla in wording but you posted under BDSM Discussions, so I'll answer as if you asked both.

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ORIGINAL: Alpha03

I have been interested in the idea of hypnosis since childhood and would love hear from those that have actually experienced it. I'm not talking about a deep relaxed / meditative state or a drug induced change of consciousness, but an actual true hypnotic state.
From everything I have seen and read it's a crock of crap. It doesn't exist. I'd love to be proven wrong.

BDSM - By the 4th day - 12th phone call, a Master I had never met was able to bring me to repeated, 20 - minute long orgasms in response to his voice over the phone. (I wasn't touching myself either... this was total body response to a voice. So, yes, it works! And, that is not as much fun as it would seem to be. It gets exhausting. Yeah, I know, high end problem. LOL

Vanilla - Lamaze. I gave birth at home, a bunch of times. My midwife asked me if he (yes, he) could film me for educational purposes... apparently I'm a Champ at it. :) No pain... through breathing and relaxation and refocusing techniques. At one point, the midwife got right in my face and said, "Smile" while pressing his hand into my shoulder. The baby's head was coming out right then, but I immediately smiled. (No one would call me obedient. LOL) When women smile, their crotches smile, too. I would have ripped below if I had not smiled at that exact moment. I did not know it then, but I am totally susceptible to auditory and to tactile suggestions / commands.

Years later, I was a part of a group trance in preparation for fire-walking. I danced the coals and some got stuck between my toes. At the end of the bed of coals, 2 people grabbed me and held me up while another person hosed down my feet and knocked off the coals which were stuck to my skin. They did that so I could stay in the trance and not burn. And, I didn't.

15 years later, I was delivering a yacht, but it was decrepit. Murphy's Law, engine had to be switched amid a storm, no power, no lights, we got cut and bled and it was shark water. It was a cat, so we harnessed me to the bow while he stayed aft. The waves made the cat rise and fall like a seesaw. Alternately, I watched the Captain go underwater with the engine as I rose up towards the lightning. He rose up and I was submerged completely, lying on a bag of sails and the rope (I forget the word for it... it was a rope web only between the pontoons, so it was me and the sea. This went on and on and on and I went into a trance state and survived hours of that. It felt very peaceful and out of body, not too unlike ultra subspace.

My point is that hypnosis, at its core, is about suggestion and response. But, there are so many different ways of going into a hypnotic trance that the word, "hypnosis" is best regarded as an umbrella term. I gave examples of responding to words, touch and rhythm. Lights do it, too. So, these variations led to specialized language, so "hypnosis" and "trance" and "state" are all... hypnosis. Also, I think it's a misnomer to see distinctions between meditative states and hypnotic states and trance. Different language, different delivery strategies, but the same thing is going on internally.

If you have further interest I suggest these resources:

http://www.historyofhypnosis.org/milton-erickson/

Erickson is the Father of Hypnotherapy (hypnosis) and the beginner lesson is free, online here:

http://www.miltonericksonhypnosis.com/

And this link is to describe the different types of hypnosis: (the fire-walking was NLP which is described below)

http://www.neuro-vision.us/DifferentTypesOfHypnosis.html

My final anecdote... after a permanent traumatic brain injury left me unable to read or write or remember or even brush my own hair, I went on to the honors program of a college and earned a Bachelors degree. How? Holosync and binaural beats... 2 links below:

https://www.centerpointe.com/holosync/

http://www.learningstrategies.com/Paraliminal/Home.asp

I'm not selling anything here and can't attest to anyone's results but my own and 3 family members who also benefited. They work for me. I still use them to put me into a different state and once there, I can learn easily. (BDSM folk LOVE that quality! LOL)

So, OP, why are you asking this question? You say you want to be proven wrong, and this is Collar... so my mind is going towards orgasm control, but there are many uses for hypnosis between D/s partners. :)

Thanks again, for posting the topic.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 12/31/2014 4:49:47 AM

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I am a certified hypnotist. Psychologists often use hypnosis as part of treatment. Hypnosis itself is not BS, but most of what you see in relation to BDSM hypnosis is complete B.S. The instant dead giveaway for me is the spinning spiral or swinging pendant. Real hypnosis doesn't use those. NLP on the other hand has been researched and is not seen as legit in most mental health circles.

Real hypnosis can be extremely useful, but there are a few things to know;
1) Everyone can be hypnotized, but not just by anyone. You have to feel comfy, relaxed and trusting of the person hypnotizing you. You have to be open to being hypnotized.
2) You cannot be hypnotized to do something you really don't want to do or are morally opposed to. Just like I can't make you go out and rob a bank with hypnosis, I also cannot help you stop smoking if you don't truly want to stop.
3) A person cannot implant a trigger that can be activated years later. It doesn't work like that.
4) People who can visualize better tend to be easier to hypnotize and can be induced to go much deeper than those who don't visualize as well.
5) You cannot get stuck in hypnosis forever. Either it will wear off or you will fall asleep and wake up feeling just fine.
6) Hypnotic suggestion does not last forever. There is a reason we need to see you at least three times to start getting something to "stick".

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 3:03:52 AM

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12 sessions to cure a phobia??? Wow! I know you say it was severe ... but ... There is a difference in understanding of what is expected. Once they reach that point of understanding, or hypnotic subjects are grey in the dark. No difference whatsoever.

If I thought someone were playing along, I would tell them there was no need to. In deed, I have caught some people out and explained to them that I'd rather they did nothing at all rather than go along with it. Then the dynamics change and they are carried along with it and grateful to see the difference between playing along and "it happening to them"

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I went to a hypnotherapist for help with a severe phobia. I had roughly 12 sessions and it was very effective. As I understand it people differ in their susceptibility to hypnosis.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 4:59:12 AM

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I've been hypnotized professionally. (My health insurance even covered it.) Apparently, I'm quite susceptible. Due to unforeseen circumstances, I was unable to complete the sessions. There were about 10-12 sessions originally planned. So I can't say whether the end result was fully successful, but from what I could tell, the bit that I did go did indeed help me.

On the other hand, I know someone who had hypnosis sessions to stop smoking. She still smokes. (I suppose you could say that she didn't really want to stop smoking.)

The thing about hypnosis is that you won't do anything that you normally wouldn't do. I didn't wind up clucking like a chicken or anything under hypnosis. What I was able to do, though, was to actually smell a meal cooking in my grandparents' house (among other things). I always knew where I was and who I was, but I felt like my senses were overtaken by the power of suggestion.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 5:02:03 AM

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Just like I can't make you go out and rob a bank with hypnosis, I also cannot help you stop smoking if you don't truly want to stop.

Oops - I just saw this after I posted my statement about the woman I know and that maybe she didn't really want to stop. :)

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 3:49:43 PM

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Smoking is probably the hardest thing to stop. My ex's doctor sent him to the hypnotist in town and he was told quite frankly that hypnotism does not work well for this.
Smoking is more addictive than heroin for about 20% of users, if you wouldn't expect it to end a heroin addiction, you shouldn't expect it to end a smoking addiction.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 6:31:09 PM

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Some hypnotherapists haven't got the confidence or skills to handle smoking cessation. Because it is being done with significant success.

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Smoking is probably the hardest thing to stop. My ex's doctor sent him to the hypnotist in town and he was told quite frankly that hypnotism does not work well for this.
Smoking is more addictive than heroin for about 20% of users, if you wouldn't expect it to end a heroin addiction, you shouldn't expect it to end a smoking addiction.

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