Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/2/2015 2:52:18 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		We have elected dead people (literally) for Congress -- they couldn't serve, but still got elected, so that the governor could appoint someone to the post.

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 101
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/2/2015 4:02:10 PM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
If you are ineligible to serve that pretty much kills your eligibility to run.


And, the converse isn't necessarily true. Just because someone is ineligible to run doesn't necessarily make him (so far) ineligible to serve. But, let's not let the actual wording of the Constitution, including it's amendments, get in the way.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 102
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 6:57:47 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Surely it would be unconstitutional for him to be on the ticket in the veep slot.
No ?


Nope, because if the prez dies, he would assume the office, not be elected to it.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 103
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 7:38:36 AM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline 		But he would be assuming an office that he is ineligible to be elected to ?
That's just insane and would,I believe,constitute a constitutional crisis .

_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 104
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 7:43:30 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
But he would be assuming an office that he is ineligible to be elected to ?
That's just insane and would,I believe,constitute a constitutional crisis .


As the 22nd Amendment (and 12th, for that matter) is written, there is nothing limiting the number of years a person can serve as President; just a limit on how often a person is eligible to be elected.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 105
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 7:49:03 AM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline 		Fucking FDR

_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 106
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 7:49:11 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		well, except for that two year thing. So, if a guy is elected prez, he dies Jan 22 of the year, that means the VP would take over for the balance of the slightly less than four years, he then could only run and be elected once.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 107
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 7:51:16 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Eligibility for Vice President of the United States

The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States."[21] Thus, to serve as Vice President, an individual must:

Be a natural-born U.S. citizen;
Be at least 35 years old
Have resided in the U.S. at least 14 years.[22]

Disqualifications

Additionally, Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment denies eligibility for any federal office to anyone who, having sworn an oath to support the United States Constitution, later has rebelled against the United States. This disqualification, originally aimed at former supporters of the Confederacy, may be removed by a two-thirds vote of each house of the Congress.

Under the Twenty-second Amendment, the President of the United States may not be elected to more than two terms. However, there is no similar such limitation as to how many times one can be elected Vice President. Scholars disagree whether a former President barred from election to the Presidency is also ineligible to be elected Vice President, as suggested by the Twelfth Amendment.[23][24] The issue has never been tested in practice.

Also, Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 allows the Senate, upon voting to remove an impeached federal official from office, to disqualify that official from holding any federal office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#Selection_process

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 108
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 7:56:01 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Fucking FDR


LOL!!

There hasn't been a situation where a former President has attempted to run as a VP. I'm not sure if there has even been a situation (after FDR) where a former President has run for and been elected to Congress.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 109
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 8:09:27 AM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

There hasn't been a situation where a former President has attempted to run as a VP.

I remember chatter at one point (1980 perhaps?) about Ford's possibly running as Reagan's VP, but that never panned out. Tbh, it's hard to imagine anyone's wanting to be VP after having occupied the Oval Office.


quote:

I'm not sure if there has even been a situation (after FDR) where a former President has run for and been elected to Congress.

John Quincy Adam is the only President I can think of who later served in Congress. Tyler may have served in the Confederate legislature. Taft went on to become Chief Justice--the job he'd actually wanted all along.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 110
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 9:13:09 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Lets chip away at the parts of the constitution that the recent nutsucker scotus has performed lapidary nutsucker ideology upon.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 111
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 9:19:35 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Like the non-existent parts that they pretended said corporations are people.

Not exactly the topic of conversation around the founding fathers' conference table.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 112
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 9:55:37 AM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

There hasn't been a situation where a former President has attempted to run as a VP.

I remember chatter at one point (1980 perhaps?) about Ford's possibly running as Reagan's VP, but that never panned out. Tbh, it's hard to imagine anyone's wanting to be VP after having occupied the Oval Office.


quote:

I'm not sure if there has even been a situation (after FDR) where a former President has run for and been elected to Congress.

John Quincy Adam is the only President I can think of who later served in Congress. Tyler may have served in the Confederate legislature. Taft went on to become Chief Justice--the job he'd actually wanted all along.

As for your first statement Betty Ford said the same thing.
And it isn't relevant because Ford was ok to run in76.
I believe that Andrew Johnson also served in Congress after being President.

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 113
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:05:25 AM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

As for your first statement Betty Ford said the same thing.

Smart lady!


quote:

And it isn't relevant because Ford was ok to run in76.

I have a head full of useless trivia itching to get out. It doesn't always wait till it's strictly relevant.


quote:

I believe that Andrew Johnson also served in Congress after being President.

His Wikipedia entry says he served in the Senate, only former President to do so. I don't think I ever knew that. Thanks!

ETA: It must have been quite an experience to become a member of a body that came within a single vote of ousting him from the Presidency.




< Message edited by dcnovice -- 1/3/2015 10:15:31 AM >

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 114
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:22:26 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		He ran repeatedly after the presidency -- three times? Finally got in by a single vote...and was generally ignored.

He's obviously not the "only" president to do so--as you noted earlier, John Quincy Adams served for years after his presidency.


(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 115
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:23:31 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Is America like a bad boyfriend?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8flfOeWMPQ

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 116
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:38:26 AM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

He's obviously not the "only" president to do so--as you noted earlier, John Quincy Adams served for years after his presidency.

I meant the only one to serve in the Senate.

JQA was in the House.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 117
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:38:56 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Is America like a bad boyfriend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8flfOeWMPQ


LMAO!!




_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 118
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:49:25 AM   
DaddySatyr


Posts: 9381
Joined: 8/29/2011
From: Pittston, Pennsyltucky
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


As for your first statement Betty Ford said the same thing.
And it isn't relevant because Ford was ok to run in76.
I believe that Andrew Johnson also served in Congress after being President.


The way I remember it (and I was young but, I looked it up, at the time), because Ford served less than two years of Tricky Dick's term, he could have been elected to two full terms of his own. I can't swear to this but, I'd be willing to bet ... oh ... 50¢.



Michael

< Message edited by DaddySatyr -- 1/3/2015 10:50:21 AM >

_____________________________

A Stone in My Shoe

Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

"For that which I love, I will do horrible things"

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 119
RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? - 1/3/2015 10:55:06 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Well, Ford's share of the term was August 9, 1974 – January 20, 1977....almost 2 1/2 years of it.

But yes on the rest...my recollection as well.

(in reply to DaddySatyr)
Profile   Post #: 120
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094