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DesideriScuri -> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? (1/3/2015 11:00:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
As for your first statement Betty Ford said the same thing.
And it isn't relevant because Ford was ok to run in76.
I believe that Andrew Johnson also served in Congress after being President.

The way I remember it (and I was young but, I looked it up, at the time), because Ford served less than two years of Tricky Dick's term, he could have been elected to two full terms of his own. I can't swear to this but, I'd be willing to bet ... oh ... 50¢.
Michael


PAY UP!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

He was in office from 9 Aug 1974 to 20 Jan 1977; 895 days.

Little tidbits from the wiki...

His 895 day presidency is the shortest presidency for anyone not killed in office.

He was the "first and to date only person to have served as both Vice President and President of the United States without being elected by the Electoral College" (he was appointed VP after Agnew resigned (and was the first to be appointed this way), and then assumed Presidency when Nixon resigned).




DaddySatyr -> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? (1/3/2015 11:15:58 AM)


Yeah, I got fucked up with the election year ('76) versus when the actual new term starts (Jan '77). I guess it was: "IF he had served less than two years ..."

For example: I remember (I think it was hearing) Johnson saying that he wouldn't seek a second term as President (He took over the last 14 months [?] of Kennedy's first term and was elected in '64). He could have run in '68 and I seem to remember his announcement to not run was a bit of a big deal.

A first class stamp is 43¢ so, I'll send to a check for 7¢. Are we square?



Michael




Musicmystery -> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? (1/3/2015 11:21:55 AM)

It was a huge deal, but it had nothing to do with term limits. He was fed up over being beaten up repeatedly over Vietnam. <--not the greatest sentence, but I'm sure you can take my meaning




BamaD -> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? (1/3/2015 1:11:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Yeah, I got fucked up with the election year ('76) versus when the actual new term starts (Jan '77). I guess it was: "IF he had served less than two years ..."

For example: I remember (I think it was hearing) Johnson saying that he wouldn't seek a second term as President (He took over the last 14 months [?] of Kennedy's first term and was elected in '64). He could have run in '68 and I seem to remember his announcement to not run was a bit of a big deal.

A first class stamp is 43¢ so, I'll send to a check for 7¢. Are we square?



Michael


Right again.
The joke at the time
If nominated I will not run
If elected I will not serve




DesideriScuri -> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? (1/3/2015 2:29:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Yeah, I got fucked up with the election year ('76) versus when the actual new term starts (Jan '77). I guess it was: "IF he had served less than two years ..."
For example: I remember (I think it was hearing) Johnson saying that he wouldn't seek a second term as President (He took over the last 14 months [?] of Kennedy's first term and was elected in '64). He could have run in '68 and I seem to remember his announcement to not run was a bit of a big deal.
A first class stamp is 43¢ so, I'll send to a check for 7¢. Are we square?
Michael


The envelope is likely to cost you some, so we'll just call it square as is. [:D]




Real0ne -> RE: What parts of the Constitution should we chip away at? (1/5/2015 1:33:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have been told that we should chip away "objectionable" parts of the Constitution.
What parts should we chip away at?
It seems to me that stop and search chips away at the fourth.
Pretending that it is freedom from religion not freedom of religion hits the first.
Hate speech law hit the first.



the whole damn thing since no debtor-corporation-contract was authorized by the people in the first place and henry knew it. Yesterday like today no one listens when there is money to be skimmed.

states and estates has the same meaning btw

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Patrick Henry, June 4, 1788

Henry's statesmanship did not end with the Revolution and the achievement of independence. While recognizing the need to augment the financial resources of the confederation congress, he was critical of the extensive of powers given to the central government by the Constitution of 1787. Patrick Henry's speech on June 4, 1788, was Henry's opening speech to the Virginia Convention that was debating whether to ratify the proposed new Constitution of the United States. This Convention met in Richmond from June 2 to June 27, 1788. By a vote of 79 to 88 on June 26 the Convention ratified the Constitution and recommended twenty amendments and a bill of rights based on the Virginia Declaration of Rights.

Mr. HENRY. Mr. Chairman, the public mind, as well as my own, is extremely uneasy at the proposed change of government.

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I have the highest veneration for those gentlemen; but, sir, give me leave to demand, What right had they to say, We, the people? My political curiosity, exclusive of my anxious solicitude for the public welfare, leads me to ask, Who authorized them to speak the language of, We, the people, instead of, We, the states? States are the characteristics and the soul of a confederation. If the states be not the agents of this compact, it must be one great, consolidated, national government, of the people of all the states. I have the highest respect for those gentlemen who formed the Convention, and, were some of them not here, I would express some testimonial of esteem for them. America had, on a former occasion, put the utmost confidence in them--a confidence which was well placed; and I am sure, sir, I would give up any thing to them; I would cheerfully confide in them as my representatives. But, sir, on this great occasion, I would demand the cause of their conduct. Even from that illustrious man who saved us by his valor [George Washington], I would have a reason for his conduct: that liberty which he has given us by his valor, tells me to ask this reason; and sure I am, were he here, he would give us that reason. But there are other gentlemen here, who can give us this information.
The people gave them no power to use their name. That they exceeded their power is perfectly clear. It is not mere curiosity that actuates me: I wish to hear the real, actual, existing danger, which should lead us to take those steps, so dangerous in my conception. Disorders have arisen in other parts of America; but here, sir, no dangers, no insurrection or tumult have happened; every thing has been calm and tranquil. But, notwithstanding this, we are wandering on the great ocean of human affairs. I see no landmark to guide us. We are running we know not whither. Difference of opinion has gone to a degree of inflammatory resentment in different parts of the country, which has been occasioned by this perilous innovation. The federal Convention ought to have amended the old system; for this purpose they were solely delegated; the object of their mission extended to no other consideration.





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