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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 6:40:23 PM   
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9.”By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ ‘the security of the nation,’ and the right of each citizen ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy… The Second Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important.”
~John F. Kennedy

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 6:44:24 PM   
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4.”[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
~James Madison

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 6:45:38 PM   
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.”Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”
~George Washington

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 6:47:13 PM   
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.”A free people ought to be armed.”
~George Washington

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 7:03:05 PM   
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We should make reparations to the Native Americans, the blacks, La Raza, the Chinese, the Irish, etc.



Being only ¼ Cherokee, I'm willing to settle with you white devils for just pennies on the dollar. So ... I'll take $20 bucks from each of you.

Michael

Heyyyyyy!!! Wasn't your 75% enough?

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 7:11:37 PM   
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We should make reparations to the Native Americans, the blacks, La Raza, the Chinese, the Irish, etc.



Being only ¼ Cherokee, I'm willing to settle with you white devils for just pennies on the dollar. So ... I'll take $20 bucks from each of you.

Michael

Heyyyyyy!!! Wasn't your 75% enough?



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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 7:17:12 PM   
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Okay lets get back to the matter at hand.
A little look at the genesis of the Second Amendment

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery



Just food for thought concerning original intent and all that


From your link:

"The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too."

Lets see how clear they were:

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
James Madison

I just have to include Jeff Cooper:


The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.
Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

I don't want to leave this liberal out:

Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard, don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.
Alan M. Dershowitz


Here's some good ones for ya:

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf




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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 7:22:02 PM   
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.”Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. … the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.”
~Sen. Hubert Humphrey

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 7:28:17 PM   
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Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
~Thomas Jefferson (quoting Cesare Beccaria)

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 7:47:04 PM   
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Armas para que? ~Fidel Castro

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 8:48:39 PM   
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Contrary to a popular myth among gun grabbers.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
~Sigmund Freud

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 8:56:07 PM   
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Contrary to a popular myth among gun grabbers.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
~Sigmund Freud


Good job bringin Freud into this.

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 8:59:19 PM   
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Contrary to a popular myth among gun grabbers.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
~Sigmund Freud


Good job bringin Freud into this.

Thought it was appropriate considering the number of people who claim the opposite.

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/5/2015 9:21:48 PM   
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Contrary to a popular myth among gun grabbers.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
~Sigmund Freud

And contrary to a popular myth among gun owners, Freud never said that.

K.

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/6/2015 5:52:54 AM   
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Contrary to a popular myth among gun grabbers.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
~Sigmund Freud

And contrary to a popular myth among gun owners, Freud never said that.

K.

You're right...he never said that. What he did do...according to your source...was this:
"Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons."

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/6/2015 6:22:44 AM   
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I think the fetishizing of weapons by those obsessed in either direction speaks for itself.

When it's all someone can see, when every issue is this issue...that person has issues.

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/6/2015 8:25:22 AM   
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Contrary to a popular myth among gun grabbers.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
~Sigmund Freud

And contrary to a popular myth among gun owners, Freud never said that.

K.


OK, but it does, apparently, fit with his views on the subject so while I will back off on the quote it still seems to represent his assessment.

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/6/2015 8:48:41 AM   
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If it was only a "sexual fetish" issue, it would be understandable, It goes much further beyond a sexual fetish, its getting to be far more dangerous.
Just going on the OP and his "posts" there is nothing sexual about it....
paranoia, fear and wilful ignorance.
That works.


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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/6/2015 8:57:40 AM   
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If it was only a "sexual fetish" issue, it would be understandable, It goes much further beyond a sexual fetish, its getting to be far more dangerous.
Just going on the OP and his "posts" there is nothing sexual about it....
paranoia, fear and wilful ignorance.
That works.

You did note the statement about which folks have the problems, right?

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RE: Why would you want to chip away at the 2nd amendmen... - 1/6/2015 9:08:34 AM   
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If it was only a "sexual fetish" issue, it would be understandable, It goes much further beyond a sexual fetish, its getting to be far more dangerous.
Just going on the OP and his "posts" there is nothing sexual about it....
paranoia, fear and wilful ignorance.
That works.

You did note the statement about which folks have the problems, right?


Simple case of projection.

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