epiphiny43
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That argument (For yet more background checks, many currently exist.) has a fatal flaw. As do most on Either side of the American gun debate.
Assuming changing the various US and State gun laws on gun access will substantially change behavior on the street, or what damaged brains and minds do, shows abysmal understanding of the grey and black markets, which are huge in the US and may be greater in other countries than the official markets. You Really need to get out more?
If you don't know who to go see to buy sex, illegal drugs, legal but unprescribed to You drugs or most types of guns, people on your block or where you shop most certainly do. And many are known to the police. All street people are living in the black market whether they want to or not. Anyone interested finds it quickly.
For better and worse, our society is entrepreneurial far beyond the ability of legislatures and the Law to control. Ask any drug dealer, pimp or real estate developer.
There is no way to do anything about underground gun sales until you address the glut of weapons available legally....see the above problem in getting a one month a gun law passed in Virginia.
Is that like getting rid of illegal drug sales by addressing the glut of legal drugs? You guys Really have to get out now and then. Illegal drug sales are over $100 BILLION/year business in the US alone Abused legal drugs (illegal prescription, negligently written, falsely obtained prescription or outside legal channels) are considered a bigger industry by many. More users, for sure. I'm thinking your great idea of only one drug buy a month will fix that in a New York second?
Energetic 'entrepreneurs' will supply a market, legal or not. Illegal wildlife and animal parts sales world wide are rocketing (Recently passing $40 Billion a year) as E. Asia and other markets acquire disposable income. All are illegal in all the countries the animals are poached or captured, the countries the contraband travels through and the country of sale. People get what they will pay for.
Dozens of laws that were going to fix the gun problem have been proposed and passed. Some discouraging fraction of them are actually enforced, few effectively. Sooooooo. . . let's pass more? I"m with the gun guys here, let's try enforcing a few already passed laws first?
My view is the gun problem Can be solved, at least for the casual emotional defective and the general gang banger, but Not for the politically or ideologically discontent like Jihadists, White Power and Survivalists, or any of the rainbow of radical leftists. It just takes a police state somewhere a bit more repressive than Hitler or Stalin to actually confiscate America's guns. Which problem do you want unsolved, sickening mass murders in the papers a few times a year or thousands to millions disappearing into concentration camps or otherwise eliminated? Every move or conversation anyone has monitored?? We suppose the somewhat rigorous police state will disband as soon as all guns are seized or destroyed?
OPPS, Bulletin! 3D printing just changed all the rules! You Can't eliminate all the guns, people everywhere just print more? Current anticipation by knowledgeable technologists and marketeers have 3D printers as common in a decade as big screen TV, almost as ubiquitous as flat printers before long. Nobody even begins to understand what letting That genie out of the bottle is going to mean.
The gun lobby is delusional if there are real beliefs that advancing lethal technologies, the responses to them and the abilities to monitor more of society and reality aren't going to erode past 'rights'. The anti-gun lobby is delusional if they really believe a participative democracy/Republic and any sort of individual freedoms will survive actually effective gun controls in the US.
So I expect the useless debate to continue till some transformative event changes the environment in which most assumptions are based and argued from. An educational system that produces far more educated, ethical and empathetic citizens (Mench?) would be my choice. (Republicans would be laughed out of existence, few could stomach Dems) But too many parents would object to someone interfering with their right to screw up the kids their own way?
< Message edited by epiphiny43 -- 1/4/2015 11:06:59 PM >
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