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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quizzicalkitten

Henry VIII died in 1547 NOT the 1600s, BUT yes to 16th century(I know it can be SOOOO confusing)

Henry AND England were more than aware of the PROTESTANT reformation movement, which was started by a german called martin Luther with his 95 Theses in 1517.
Calvinism didn't come into being until 1558,
Your lack of historical accuracy to begin with negates your entire drivel and hatred of us furrigners.
Congrats, quite a rant, but barely factual

Protestants AND Catholics were killed by different kings and queens after Henry depending on their "religious beliefs" Mary (catholic) killed thousands, as did Edward,, Elizabeth, James and Charles, which is where we hit the puritans migrating to the colony. They were PROTESTANTS and CALVINISTS, presbyterians, and other "offshoots"
of Protestantism
Puritans (especially see Oliver Cromwell) had power over government AFTER the civil war in 1653-1658
Of course Germany, Holland, Spain, France, had nothing to do with " mass" emigrations to the US bringing their own brand of "Protestantism" to the US

Next.

So..........strike the third paragraph. We still got guns and porno (pardon the grammar). They got steak knives and cameras on every street corner.

another clueless load of crap

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

many of our cities have surveillance cameras, and we can own steak knives.

its not important.

Oh, you left out of your little religious wars the Catholics killing Jews in Germany.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

many of our cities have surveillance cameras, and we can own steak knives.

its not important.

Oh, you left out of your little religious wars the Catholics killing Jews in Germany.

What religious wars ? Who's winning ?

Over here we can own Bowie knives and machetes. And most surveillance cameras are for private business security and at traffic lights. Ans some of the traffic light cameras in some towns, especially tourist towns have suspended their use. Naples FL is one such place.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

really??
you can??? just checking this out on wikipedia says not so much


United States of America[edit]
Federal laws[edit]
Under the Switchblade Knife Act of 1958 (amended 1986, codified at 15 U.S.C. §§1241–1245), switchblades and ballistic knives are banned from interstate shipment, sale, or importation, or possession within the following: any territory or possession of the United States, i.e. land belonging to the U.S. federal government; Indian lands (as defined in section 1151 of title 18); and areas within the maritime or territorial jurisdiction of the federal government, with the exception of federal, state law enforcement agencies and the military.[58] In addition, federal laws may prohibit the possession or carrying of any knife on certain federal properties such as courthouses or military installations. U.S. federal laws on switchblades do not apply to the possession or sale of switchblade knives within a state's boundaries; the latter is regulated by the laws of that particular state, if any.

Occasional disputes over what constitutes a switchblade knife under federal law has occasionally resulted in U.S. Customs seizures of knives from U.S. importers or manufacturers.[59][60] In one case the seizure of a shipment of Columbia River Knife and Tool company knives resulted in an estimated US$1 million loss to the company before the shipment was released.[61][62][63]

Amendment 1447 to the Switchblade Knife Act (15 U.S.C. §1244), signed into law as part of the FY2010 Homeland Security Appropriations Bill on October 28, 2009, provides that the Act shall not apply to spring-assist or assisted-opening knives (i.e. knives with closure-biased springs that require physical force applied to the blade to assist in opening the knife).[64]

State and local laws[edit]
Each American state also has laws that govern the legality of carrying weapons, either concealed or openly, and these laws explicitly or implicitly cover various types of knives. Some states go beyond this, and criminalize mere possession of certain types of knives. Other states prohibit the possession and/or the concealed carrying of knives that feature blade styles or features sufficient to transform them into "dangerous weapons"[65][66] or "deadly weapons", i.e. knives either optimized for lethality against humans or designed for and readily capable of causing death or serious bodily injury.[65][67] These frequently include knives with specific blade styles with a historical connection to violence or assassination, including thrusting knives such as the dirk, poignard, and stiletto, the bowie knife, and double-edged knives with crossguards designed for knife fighting such as the dagger.[65][68] Some states make the carrying or possession of any dangerous or deadly weapon with intent to unlawfully harm another a crime.[65]



Pst have you heard of the NSA?
do what now?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quizzicalkitten

Henry VIII died in 1547 NOT the 1600s, BUT yes to 16th century(I know it can be SOOOO confusing)

Henry AND England were more than aware of the PROTESTANT reformation movement, which was started by a german called martin Luther with his 95 Theses in 1517.
Calvinism didn't come into being until 1558,
Your lack of historical accuracy to begin with negates your entire drivel and hatred of us furrigners.
Congrats, quite a rant, but barely factual

Protestants AND Catholics were killed by different kings and queens after Henry depending on their "religious beliefs" Mary (catholic) killed thousands, as did Edward,, Elizabeth, James and Charles, which is where we hit the puritans migrating to the colony. They were PROTESTANTS and CALVINISTS, presbyterians, and other "offshoots"
of Protestantism
Puritans (especially see Oliver Cromwell) had power over government AFTER the civil war in 1653-1658
Of course Germany, Holland, Spain, France, had nothing to do with " mass" emigrations to the US bringing their own brand of "Protestantism" to the US

Next.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

many of our cities have surveillance cameras, and we can own steak knives.

its not important.

Oh, you left out of your little religious wars the Catholics killing Jews in Germany.

What religious wars ? Who's winning ?

Over here we can own Bowie knives and machetes. And most surveillance cameras are for private business security and at traffic lights. Ans some of the traffic light cameras in some towns, especially tourist towns have suspended their use. Naples FL is one such place.

I know you missed out on WWII but thought you may have read about it.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quizzicalkitten

Henry VIII died in 1547 NOT the 1600s, BUT yes to 16th century(I know it can be SOOOO confusing)

Henry AND England were more than aware of the PROTESTANT reformation movement, which was started by a german called martin Luther with his 95 Theses in 1517.
Calvinism didn't come into being until 1558,
Your lack of historical accuracy to begin with negates your entire drivel and hatred of us furrigners.
Congrats, quite a rant, but barely factual

Protestants AND Catholics were killed by different kings and queens after Henry depending on their "religious beliefs" Mary (catholic) killed thousands, as did Edward,, Elizabeth, James and Charles, which is where we hit the puritans migrating to the colony. They were PROTESTANTS and CALVINISTS, presbyterians, and other "offshoots"
of Protestantism
Puritans (especially see Oliver Cromwell) had power over government AFTER the civil war in 1653-1658
Of course Germany, Holland, Spain, France, had nothing to do with " mass" emigrations to the US bringing their own brand of "Protestantism" to the US

Next.

Yeah.. because a people never looked at a history of opression and abuse and said fuck this shit... ever...

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

many of our cities have surveillance cameras, and we can own steak knives.

its not important.

Oh, you left out of your little religious wars the Catholics killing Jews in Germany.

What religious wars ? Who's winning ?

Over here we can own Bowie knives and machetes. And most surveillance cameras are for private business security and at traffic lights. Ans some of the traffic light cameras in some towns, especially tourist towns have suspended their use. Naples FL is one such place.

I know you missed out on WWII but thought you may have read about it.

Oh, you're talking about that war. Ya kinda threw me off a bit when you wrote "little". I mean, I was thinkin the WW stood for world war and it was a big war. And then that part about it being a religious war confused me too. And all this time I thought it was more about Snotzi expansionism. And that Catholic thing was a real head scratcher. I guess all them Snotzi types were observing their religious Catholic faith when they exterminated all dem Jews.

Thanks for clueing me in

ETA: Furthermore I didn't know it was *my* war either. Of course the war was over before I as born but heck, at least I now know there's something to that reincarnation thing.

ETA Again: Fuck........does that mean I used to be Hitler ?

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


Oh, you're talking about that war. Ya kinda threw me off a bit when you wrote "little". I mean, I was thinkin the WW stood for world war and it was a big war. And then that part about it being a religious war confused me too. And all this time I thought it was more about Snotzi expansionism. And that Catholic thing was a real head scratcher. I guess all them Snotzi types were observing their religious Catholic faith when they exterminated all dem Jews.

Thanks for clueing me in

ETA: Furthermore I didn't know it was *my* war either. Of course the war was over before I as born but heck, at least I now know there's something to that reincarnation thing.

ETA Again: Fuck........does that mean I used to be Hitler ?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


Oh, you're talking about that war. Ya kinda threw me off a bit when you wrote "little". I mean, I was thinkin the WW stood for world war and it was a big war. And then that part about it being a religious war confused me too. And all this time I thought it was more about Snotzi expansionism. And that Catholic thing was a real head scratcher. I guess all them Snotzi types were observing their religious Catholic faith when they exterminated all dem Jews.

Thanks for clueing me in

ETA: Furthermore I didn't know it was *my* war either. Of course the war was over before I as born but heck, at least I now know there's something to that reincarnation thing.

ETA Again: Fuck........does that mean I used to be Hitler ?

One of the best posts Ive read all day! simply because I have such similar conversations with myself:) not neccessarily about hitler, but other subjects....

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Dred Scott
They ruled in Heller in accordance with what you have(months ago) acknowledged as original intent.

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You remember Justice Stevens don't you?
In his preferred wording of the 2nd he highlighted the fact that the writers did not make the right to bear arms a privilege of militia members but made it a right of citizens.
It wasn't his intent but he did it.

Answer me this in all honesty: Is it possible for the US Supreme Court to rule things incorrectly? Meaning they are just as likely as any other person to....FUCK UP....and make costly mistakes?

The answer is 'yes'. Since this is the same US Supreme Court that believes Corporations are people too! And those Corporations can have religious beliefs that trump individuals of their religious beliefs.

The Justices that pushed that stupid ruling on Heller vs. D.C., did not make a Constitutional ruling, but a political ruling. They are NOT allowed to reinterpret an amendment; which is exactly what they did! They can interpret an amendment, but the one ones that can....reinterpret....an amendment is Congress and with only four methods.

What was wrong with Heller vs. D.C.? The firearm in question was the offier's own property and not for use with "A well regulated militia...". Could the firearm have been used with his day job? Yes, however, its use was not authorized nor allowed permission with said "....regulated militia....". The police were well within their right to be worried about an unlawful death due to the firearm and the lawsuits that would soon follow from it. Since that firearm would be used (most likely) during the time the officer is off duty.

I'm not saying the laws in D.C. at the time were good or bad, but were the 'laws of the land' at the time. The correct way to change the law(s) would be with legislative action on the part of the good citizens of that area. Not 'Legislating from the Bench' to which conservatives argue towards liberals on other issues. If its not 'ok' for liberals to do; then its equally not 'ok' for conservatives to do either!

Normally the US Supreme Court only interferes with a ruling if the local judge and the appeal's court disagree. In this case, both courts were in full agreement. So why did the matter get taken up but the......five conservative justices at the time....? All of whom put in power by Republicans? And that Republicans hold a....very....tight relationship with the NRA? It doesn't take a rocket science (or a political science major in college) to tell this was a 'set up' from the beginning.

That your 'conflict of interest' shows you can not look at that case objectively. If the US Supreme Court was doing its job correctly, they would never have stepped into the matter in the first place. That's what we call 'responsibility with power'.

So Justice Steven's word is no longer gospel?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Silvermike wants to derail the thread on undermining the constitution and make it a thread on guns so I started one for him.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The only thing more fun than masturbating while watching Glen Beck is masturbating while watching Bambi.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And I still say that when you "re-interpret" a portion of the constitution you repeal the original clause and replace it with something else by stealth means.
if you want to change it, change it, don't hide behind this "living document"
garbage.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You remember Justice Stevens don't you?
In his preferred wording of the 2nd he highlighted the fact that the writers did not make the right to bear arms a privilege of militia members but made it a right of citizens.
It wasn't his intent but he did it.

Answer me this in all honesty: Is it possible for the US Supreme Court to rule things incorrectly? Meaning they are just as likely as any other person to....FUCK UP....and make costly mistakes?

The answer is 'yes'. Since this is the same US Supreme Court that believes Corporations are people too! And those Corporations can have religious beliefs that trump individuals of their religious beliefs.

The Justices that pushed that stupid ruling on Heller vs. D.C., did not make a Constitutional ruling, but a political ruling. They are NOT allowed to reinterpret an amendment; which is exactly what they did! They can interpret an amendment, but the one ones that can....reinterpret....an amendment is Congress and with only four methods.

What was wrong with Heller vs. D.C.? The firearm in question was the offier's own property and not for use with "A well regulated militia...". Could the firearm have been used with his day job? Yes, however, its use was not authorized nor allowed permission with said "....regulated militia....". The police were well within their right to be worried about an unlawful death due to the firearm and the lawsuits that would soon follow from it. Since that firearm would be used (most likely) during the time the officer is off duty.

I'm not saying the laws in D.C. at the time were good or bad, but were the 'laws of the land' at the time. The correct way to change the law(s) would be with legislative action on the part of the good citizens of that area. Not 'Legislating from the Bench' to which conservatives argue towards liberals on other issues. If its not 'ok' for liberals to do; then its equally not 'ok' for conservatives to do either!

Normally the US Supreme Court only interferes with a ruling if the local judge and the appeal's court disagree. In this case, both courts were in full agreement. So why did the matter get taken up but the......five conservative justices at the time....? All of whom put in power by Republicans? And that Republicans hold a....very....tight relationship with the NRA? It doesn't take a rocket science (or a political science major in college) to tell this was a 'set up' from the beginning.

That your 'conflict of interest' shows you can not look at that case objectively. If the US Supreme Court was doing its job correctly, they would never have stepped into the matter in the first place. That's what we call 'responsibility with power'.

So Justice Steven's word is no longer gospel?

The difference between a liberal and conservative is on display here folks. The conservative cant handle more than a small sentence (if not a paragraph) of text. That BamaD got....SCHOOLED...by myself. An he cant admit it. That he regurgitates what is told to him as 'talking points' by conservative media sources. Without question nor contemplation on whether those ideas are good or bad ones.

Since Justice Stevens has been around since 1920 to 2015, and is quite educated; I can assume he has both spoken and written....MANY....words so far. Can you clarify in exactly terms, which of the numerous words Justice Stevens has spoken/written as it relates to this issue that your referring to specifically?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Silvermike wants to derail the thread on undermining the constitution and make it a thread on guns so I started one for him.

This, from the guy who said:

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The only thing more fun than masturbating while watching Glen Beck is masturbating while watching Bambi.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Silvermike wants to derail the thread on undermining the constitution and make it a thread on guns so I started one for him.

This, from the guy who said:

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The only thing more fun than masturbating while watching Glen Beck is masturbating while watching Bambi.