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ORIGINAL: luckyd0g

It's funny watching a simpleton use big words incorrectly, in an attempt to sound smart. What on earth do you think "alliterative" means?

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~ FYI ~

Experts are still scratching their heads over how this tragic accident could have happened. Veronica Rutledge grew up around guns and knew gun safety. The weapon was a 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, a striker-fired pistol with a manual thumb safety and a 6.5 pound trigger. It was stored in a specialty carry-purse with a zippered closure.

[image]http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/180021_01_md.jpg[/image]

I suspect at least one factor in this accident is what I would consider a design flaw in the weapon. The child didn't have to overcome the 6.5 pound trigger for the gun to go off. With this weapon, once the trigger has been staged, i.e., pulled partially rearward but stopping before the point of firing, releasing it can cause the weapon to discharge.

K.

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I know guns in my city make everyone feel safer:

10 people have been shot in Baltimore since Friday night, including three Saturday night.

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I know guns in my city make everyone feel safer:

10 people have been shot in Baltimore since Friday night, including three Saturday night.

Yea, they do here also

http://archive.freep.com/article/20140228/NEWS01/302280140/Woman-shoots-home-invasion

http://archive.freep.com/article/20140306/NEWS01/303060121/Detroit-intruder-shot

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A 9-month-old northwestern Missouri boy is dead after his 5-year-old brother playing with a handgun accidentally shot him in the head.

Nodaway County Sheriff Darren White says the baby was pronounced dead at Children's Mercy Hospital in Kansas City just before noon on Monday.

The Kansas City Star ( http://bit.ly/1zsiSLP ) reports that emergency responders were called to a home in Elmo around 9 a.m. Monday after a 5-year-old found a loaded .22 caliber handgun and apparently was handling it when it fired.

White says the bullet struck the 9-month-old, who was in a playpen.

The sheriff says there is no reason to believe the shooting was anything other than an accident.

Elmo is located 120 miles north of Kansas City, Missouri.


Tragic....stupid...but its another killer toddler...gun had nothing to do with it.

edited because I posted the wrong link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/20/accidental-shooting-missouri-boy_n_6506956.html

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The problem with this question is, there's no guarantee that it even had a safety. Some do, some don't. I prefer SIGs, they don't have safeties. For me, this simplifies things. If the gun is in the holster I know that it's loaded and there's no safety to worry about. But then I don't drop mine into a purse.

I checked on the S&W M&P Shield that she was carrying, they have two basic variants within each model, one with and one without a thumb-safety. So unless pictures of the actual gun she had are released, I doubt we'll ever know.

A few things though. You said that the child was an infant, but most accounts state it was a toddler. That's two very different things. Depending on the gun, some toddlers could easily work the safety. It's just a switch that clicks up and down. Most don't require that much pressure, since they want them to be easy to operate in an emergency. (The M&P looks trickier, but it's still just a switch.) Hell, the way they click, they even sound like some children's toys. The way kids will grab something and start poking and prodding at them, I can see this happening.

No offense, but there's no way to guarantee that children won't get hurt ever. That's called life. I realize that we want to pretend we can wrap children up in batting and make them perfectly safe, but that's just not the case. No matter what, your go to solution is more and stricter gun laws. It doesn't matter what happened, you're happy to use any incident with a gun as an excuse to make guns harder to get. Because you just don't like people having them.

As an owner of said model with a safety, its a very easy and can be done with a fingernail flick. It does have a small click.

As to the other stupidity on this thread.... nothing will cure stupid, as demonstrated by many a posters requesting more laws when current laws cover the issue.

So what's your solution? What existing law would you have enforced that would have prevented this?

Other than banning both concealed and open carry (which is unconstitutional according to the courts) an accident like this is unavoidable. We outlaw drunk driving but that doesn't stop drunk drivers from killing thousands. You have never told us how you would stop this beyond we need a law.

I have in several posts.

A toddler should not be able to pick up a gun and fire it. However you want to debate it practically, there are any number of safety features which could be added, any one of which would do.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you really are an idiot, the gun wasnt any part of it???
maybe the bullet was slammed with a hammer into a nine month old body by a five year old.
Stupid people are the problem as well as what they do with their guns and the justifications used so it can be ignored

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So what's your solution? What existing law would you have enforced that would have prevented this?

Other than banning both concealed and open carry (which is unconstitutional according to the courts) an accident like this is unavoidable. We outlaw drunk driving but that doesn't stop drunk drivers from killing thousands. You have never told us how you would stop this beyond we need a law.

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I have in several posts.

A toddler should not be able to pick up a gun and fire it. However you want to debate it practically, there are any number of safety features which could be added, any one of which would do.

You have said things like it shouldn't be allowed to happen, but you have not given any specifics.

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~ FYI ~

Experts are still scratching their heads over how this tragic accident could have happened. Veronica Rutledge grew up around guns and knew gun safety. The weapon was a 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, a striker-fired pistol with a manual thumb safety and a 6.5 pound trigger. It was stored in a specialty carry-purse with a zippered closure.

[image]http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/180021_01_md.jpg[/image]

I suspect at least one factor in this accident is what I would consider a design flaw in the weapon. The child didn't have to overcome the 6.5 pound trigger for the gun to go off. With this weapon, once the trigger has been staged, i.e., pulled partially rearward but stopping before the point of firing, releasing it can cause the weapon to discharge.

K.

Thank you, Kirata. That's exactly the kind of thing I was trying to look at until the circus arrived.

Aside from mom's negligence/abandonment/reckless-endangerment/whatever then, addressing this design flaw would/should prevent incidents, yes? After all, sounds like someone could also end up firing when they had changed their mind about it, i.e., not pulled the trigger completely. A dangerous feature.

For the rest, "knowing" and "doing" aren't the same--I'd argue that's not truly "knowing" (like the ER visits that start with "I knew I really shouldn't, but ..."). But it does address my query into my the gun itself wasn't safe from a toddler. I certainly hope Smith and Wesson revisit the design.

I'm boggled by the folks who don't seem to want it safe from a toddler, but probably nothing can be done about that.

We re-call cars with unsafe design features. Are there recalls of unsafe guns?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you really are an idiot, the gun wasnt any part of it???
maybe the bullet was slammed with a hammer into a nine month old body by a five year old.
Stupid people are the problem as well as what they do with their guns and the justifications used so it can be ignored

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So what's your solution? What existing law would you have enforced that would have prevented this?

Other than banning both concealed and open carry (which is unconstitutional according to the courts) an accident like this is unavoidable. We outlaw drunk driving but that doesn't stop drunk drivers from killing thousands. You have never told us how you would stop this beyond we need a law.

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I have in several posts.

A toddler should not be able to pick up a gun and fire it. However you want to debate it practically, there are any number of safety features which could be added, any one of which would do.

You have said things like it shouldn't be allowed to happen, but you have not given any specifics.

Well, read this post, instead of insisting on remaining on the merry-go-round:

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~ FYI ~

Experts are still scratching their heads over how this tragic accident could have happened. Veronica Rutledge grew up around guns and knew gun safety. The weapon was a 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, a striker-fired pistol with a manual thumb safety and a 6.5 pound trigger. It was stored in a specialty carry-purse with a zippered closure.

[image]http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/180021_01_md.jpg[/image]

I suspect at least one factor in this accident is what I would consider a design flaw in the weapon. The child didn't have to overcome the 6.5 pound trigger for the gun to go off. With this weapon, once the trigger has been staged, i.e., pulled partially rearward but stopping before the point of firing, releasing it can cause the weapon to discharge.

K.

Thank you, Kirata. That's exactly the kind of thing I was trying to look at until the circus arrived.

Aside from mom's negligence/abandonment/reckless-endangerment/whatever then, addressing this design flaw would/should prevent incidents, yes? After all, sounds like someone could also end up firing when they had changed their mind about it, i.e., not pulled the trigger completely. A dangerous feature.

For the rest, "knowing" and "doing" aren't the same--I'd argue that's not truly "knowing" (like the ER visits that start with "I knew I really shouldn't, but ..."). But it does address my query into my the gun itself wasn't safe from a toddler. I certainly hope Smith and Wesson revisit the design.

I'm boggled by the folks who don't seem to want it safe from a toddler, but probably nothing can be done about that.

We re-call cars with unsafe design features. Are there recalls of unsafe guns?