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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/22/2015 11:35:04 PM

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I always believed that the only person that staged a Trigger was Roy Rogers.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/22/2015 11:58:01 PM

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I always believed that the only person that staged a Trigger was Roy Rogers.

Michael

Good one...........High Ho Silver and Away

I have to get some sleep so ...

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Happy Trails, to you ...

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Until we meet again......sleep well

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 6:54:39 AM

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Musicmystery
Doesn't help that the NRA is infamous for fighting gun safety laws.

The NRA is infamous for promoting firearms safety. That's quite the opposite of what you just declared. But if you can show me where the NRA fights gun safety laws then I'll drop my membership.

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So where are the knowledgeable firearms folk leading the charge to address the design flaw? Or any other gun safety charge?

What other gun safety issue aside from the design flaw on this particular S&W are you referring to ? I don't know exactly why S&W hasn't or isn't addressing the problem either but I'll jump up on my high horse next to you, draw my saber and lead the charge.

BTW, thanks for the lesson on quotations.

And let us not forget that the cause of this tragedy is that she left the firearm unattended, something the manual warns you again 3 times in the first 10 pages.

Yes and that kind of carelessness makes me wonder if she even had the safety on.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 9:19:54 AM

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Musicmystery
Doesn't help that the NRA is infamous for fighting gun safety laws.

The NRA is infamous for promoting firearms safety. That's quite the opposite of what you just declared. But if you can show me where the NRA fights gun safety laws then I'll drop my membership.

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So where are the knowledgeable firearms folk leading the charge to address the design flaw? Or any other gun safety charge?

What other gun safety issue aside from the design flaw on this particular S&W are you referring to ? I don't know exactly why S&W hasn't or isn't addressing the problem either but I'll jump up on my high horse next to you, draw my saber and lead the charge.

BTW, thanks for the lesson on quotations.

And let us not forget that the cause of this tragedy is that she left the firearm unattended, something the manual warns you again 3 times in the first 10 pages.

Yes and that kind of carelessness makes me wonder if she even had the safety on.

Agreed. She was clearly careless, in this case fatally so. Had she maintained control of the firearm none of the rest of this would have mattered.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 9:22:11 AM

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if you can show me where the NRA fights gun safety laws then I'll drop my membership.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/09/the-national-rifle-associations-campaign-to-sto/199235
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/gun_violence_research_nra_and_congress_blocked_gun_control_studies_at_cdc.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/no-funds-studies-gun-violence-article-1.1809263
http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_nras_war_on_gun_science/
http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2013/02/gun-violence.aspx
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/us/politics/senate-obama-gun-control.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://everytown.org/documents/2014/10/not-your-grandparents-nra.pdf
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/gun-lobby-helps-block-data-collection-by-crimefighters.html
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116679/smart-guns-microstamping-cartridges-matters-more-nra-blocks-it
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/28/nra-block-un-treaty-gun-control
http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-the-news/press-releases/2013/new-childrens-defense-fund.html
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/20/1366561/how-the-nra-stifled-gun-violence-research/
http://www.americasquarterly.org/content/nras-hemispheric-reach
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-nra-wants-to-ban-this-gun/190931/
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Farticles%2F2014%2F05%2F15%2Fpediatricians-take-on-the-nra-over-gun-safety.html&ei=HLvBVPT5A8KBgwTikIGwCQ&usg=AFQjCNEtKftkUW3R3c-R2xt1wORY8_TjEA&sig2=e-KO6Kyo7JyDjzhfvqfqnw&bvm=bv.84349003,d.eXY
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/gun_nuts_powerful_new_enemy_how_pediatricians_are_taking_on_the_nra/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/nra-stalkers-_n_5530097.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/guns-2014-elections-nra-bloomberg-gabby-giffords
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/22/nra-lobbying-increase/2104075/
http://smartgunlaws.org/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/apnewsbreak-nra-suing-pennsylvania-cities-over-gun/?page=all
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bloomberg-pledges-50m-fight-nra-article-1.1757801
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0727/Gun-control-Why-the-US-military-is-fighting-with-the-NRA
http://gunvictimsaction.org/blog/why-does-nra-fight-gun-laws-it-hates-government-more-than-bad-guys/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/29/3465210/nra-lobbyist-anti-semitism/
http://www.parmarng.org/index.php/gun-myths-busted/61-other/myth-truth/98-nra-opposes-all-bans.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/alex-stuckey/nra-s-opposition-to-amendment-to-federal-gun-law-nullification/article_35a50cca-7de8-552c-a238-a1ac190d39c8.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-21/nra-calls-for-armed-guards-in-schools-to-prevent-killings.html
http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/5/5683504/gun-control-the-nra-wants-to-take-smart-guns-away

...it goes on.

You do know there is such a thing as a bad gun control law don't you?
You should also know that many gun control laws pretend to be gun safety laws don't you?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 9:47:05 AM

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You know that the NRA works to ban guns it doesn't like, don't you?

Not very pro-2nd Amendment of them.

It's an industry group, for a select few.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:14:35 AM

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You know that the NRA works to ban guns it doesn't like, don't you?

Not very pro-2nd Amendment of them.

It's an industry group, for a select few.

Make up your mind, you keep saying that the NRA and their mind numbed zombies circle the wagons to stop anything that smacks of banning guns.
Now when they oppose unsafe or impractical guns you think they have done something sinister. I told you many pages ago that they were part of the lawsuits that put Adams out of business. Why ? Because they were unsafe junk.
You do understand the difference between opposing "smart" guns being required and pushing for legislation to ban them don't you.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:19:48 AM

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Isn't it?

Shutting down new concepts is pro-American 2nd Amendment freedom?

How about blocking research into gun violence consistently, just keep the data from seeing the light of day? Pro-American freedom there?

If smart guns are a bad idea, make the case, and let the consumer decide. That's how markets work in a free country.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:26:33 AM

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Isn't it?

Shutting down new concepts is pro-American 2nd Amendment freedom?

How about blocking research into gun violence consistently, just keep the data from seeing the light of day? Pro-American freedom there?

If smart guns are a bad idea, make the case, and let the consumer decide. That's how markets work in a free country.

Keeping them from being mandatory is not shutting them down.
Your second question has already been answered.
The CDC's first "study" was a hit piece with data manipulated to create a result which was false. Would you back funding that kind of propaganda, if you didn't like the goal? Or do you think, as the CDC claimed, that a 25 year old who tries to shoot it out with the cops should count as a "child" death because of guns?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:36:34 AM

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I agree that fighting a mandatory law is not shutting them down. The NRA though, did both. A pro-2nd-Amendment-freedom group would let the market decide.

No one is asking the NRA to back funding on anything. I'm just pointing out that they work to block funding for studies they don't want done.

It's an industry group. Pure and simple.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:42:39 AM

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I agree that fighting a mandatory law is not shutting them down. The NRA though, did both. A pro-2nd-Amendment-freedom group would let the market decide.

No one is asking the NRA to back funding on anything. I'm just pointing out that they work to block funding for studies they don't want done.

It's an industry group. Pure and simple.

You know that most shooters, cops included don't trust smart guns.
How did the NRA shut down smart guns?
The CDC outright lied of course they would want them shut down.
Pure and simple.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:44:40 AM

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And it's constituency are the manufacturers ....not it's "membership"

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 10:46:50 AM

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Then there's nothing to fear from the marketplace, is there?

And like all products, the market would force the improvements consumers want.

Unless the product is squashed by a large, well-founded anti-competition force.

And data can be refuted. Stopping it from even being collected doesn't exactly smack of above the board practice.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:18:26 AM

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Then there's nothing to fear from the marketplace, is there?

And like all products, the market would force the improvements consumers want.

Unless the product is squashed by a large, well-founded anti-competition force.

And data can be refuted. Stopping it from even being collected doesn't exactly smack of above the board practice.

Three kinds of lies, lies, damned lies, and statistics.
CDC blatantly cooked the books. Once they were proven liars why pay them to lie more?
Making people by something, as various governments wanted to do with smart guns destroys competition and gets rid of the need to make them work. Opposition to them being on the market is the fault of CA and a couple of other states making them mandatory thus destroying competition.
If you want to cut opposition to smart guns get rid of the laws requiring everything else be taken off the market as soon as they become available.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:21:39 AM

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Again . . .

I agree that fighting a mandatory law is not shutting them down. The NRA though, did both. A pro-2nd-Amendment-freedom group would let the market decide.

No one is asking the NRA to back funding on anything. I'm just pointing out that they work to block funding for studies they don't want done.

It's an industry group. Pure and simple.

If, not there'd nothing to fear from the marketplace.

And like all products, the market would force the improvements consumers want.

Unless the product and data are squashed by a large, well-founded anti-competition force.

And data can be refuted. Stopping it from even being collected doesn't exactly smack of above the board practice.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:23:47 AM

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and we probably shouldn't forget this...

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:25:09 AM

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This propaganda about CDC saying this or that and finding this or that in a study is unfounded as well as out and out lies.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:25:10 AM

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My neighbor was robbed. They took one thing -- his guns.

I'm sure criminals here would appreciate the heads up!

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:27:25 AM

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Again . . .

I agree that fighting a mandatory law is not shutting them down. The NRA though, did both. A pro-2nd-Amendment-freedom group would let the market decide.

No one is asking the NRA to back funding on anything. I'm just pointing out that they work to block funding for studies they don't want done.

It's an industry group. Pure and simple.

If, not there'd nothing to fear from the marketplace.

And like all products, the market would force the improvements consumers want.

Unless the product and data are squashed by a large, well-founded anti-competition force.

And data can be refuted. Stopping it from even being collected doesn't exactly smack of above the board practice.

You mean that if someone lies about you, you have no problem with paying for them to keep doing it because you can give your side? And we would all pay for them to lie because it would be paid for with tax money. Nobody did anything to stop them from doing any study without using tax money, and you know it.
You can't seem to grasp that the people who wanted to make smart guns were the ones afraid of the market place. The only way they were going to get people to by them was by outlawing the competition. Instead you just keep repeating your talking points.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/23/2015 11:33:35 AM

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But that's not what's happening. A good study would rock! But they want to block all studies. Why? Guess.

And yet again, agreed on the outlawed part. Why do you keep going back to it? But pulling the gun off the market is banning/outlawing as well.

Let the consumer decide. Run an education campaign -- fine.

But no. This is an industry protecting maneuver for the few sold to the faithful kool-aid drinkers.

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