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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Actually, they wanted to see what was going on other than anecdotally, so they could take appropriate action, including whether to take action.

It's how working from data works.

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Dear Fellow American:

What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights!

Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ...

... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!!

Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights...
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"Today's NRA is a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry," said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. "While the NRA portrays itself as protecting the 'freedom' of individual gun owners, it's actually working to protect the freedom of the gun industry

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the modern NRA's hard-line political stances, which often seem out of step even with the majority of gun-owners, and its deepening industry ties have led some to argue that the group is little more than a corporate lobbyist dressed up in woodsy camouflage.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Trying to suppress the data collection smacks of agenda overtly. Pretend otherwise if it suits your kool-aid consumption.

And yet, despite the paranoia of some, nobody came to take your guns, even given that "grossly distorted data."

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


If there's a case to be made here, it's for better and wider firearms education. The cited accident was most likely due to the weapon being a revolver. Revolvers don't have a safety. Not the best choice of weapon for anyone around children.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Trying to suppress the data collection smacks of agenda overtly. Pretend otherwise if it suits your kool-aid consumption.

And yet, despite the paranoia of some, nobody came to take your guns, even given that "grossly distorted data."

The fact that it didn't lead directly to confiscation doesn't mean they didn't have their conclusions first and warped the data to fit them.
Trying to suppress liars smack of wanting a level playing field.

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"Today's NRA is a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry," said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. "While the NRA portrays itself as protecting the 'freedom' of individual gun owners, it's actually working to protect the freedom of the gun industry

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the modern NRA's hard-line political stances, which often seem out of step even with the majority of gun-owners, and its deepening industry ties have led some to argue that the group is little more than a corporate lobbyist dressed up in woodsy camouflage.

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


If there's a case to be made here, it's for better and wider firearms education. The cited accident was most likely due to the weapon being a revolver. Revolvers don't have a safety. Not the best choice of weapon for anyone around children.

K.

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The case to be made is for more comprehensive back ground checks on people wanting to own firearms, coupled with a cultural upheaval reducing the image of guns as manly accessories. Make gun ownership the kind of thing only quiet, thoughtful, and responsible men and women would do. Make marksmanship a sport, not a symbol of how tough someone is. Don't make guns about survivalist nutters, macho big-cocks, cowboy wannabees or any of that other crap that gun ownership seems to entail. I think that alone would go a hell of a long way towards solving some of the problems.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

The case to be made is for more comprehensive back ground checks on people wanting to own firearms, coupled with a cultural upheaval reducing the image of guns as manly accessories. Make gun ownership the kind of thing only quiet, thoughtful, and responsible men and women would do. Make marksmanship a sport, not a symbol of how tough someone is. Don't make guns about survivalist nutters, macho big-cocks, cowboy wannabees or any of that other crap that gun ownership seems to entail. I think that alone would go a hell of a long way towards solving some of the problems.

Well go ahead and make it then. You cite "more comprehensive" background checks, but you present no evidence that this would have averted the tragedy. You bemoan that marksmanship is a symbol of how "tough" someone is, but you present no evidence that anyone besides you thinks so. You claim that guns are about "survivalist nutters," "big-cocks," and "cowboy wannabees," but you offer no evidence that this is in any way the general case.

All in all, I think you're overdue for that pretty assistant and a rabbit.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm not sure he's saying that, but rather noting that it fits a segment of gun ownership, as certain publications and web sites would seem to indicate.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

for the liberals who keep using the expression "kool aid drinkers"

the contemporary expression came into existence from the cult suicides in Guyana in the late 70s.

the implication is that kool aid drinkers are mindless followers who haven't examined facts, and that to their own harm

so when people actually have examined an issue, and provide evidence of having done so, and engage in thoughtful refutations of the counterarguments they are being presented with---they are not kool aid drinkers. they are merely people with whom you disagree but you cannot find it within yourself to treat them respectfully because you so hate the positions they hold, or you do not have the wherewithal to deal with their points and have to resort to insults.

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That's simply a different segment of the gun owners population.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm not sure he's saying that, but rather noting that it fits a segment of gun ownership, as certain publications and web sites would seem to indicate.

Well let me put it this way... actually no, let the gun manufacturers put it this way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg9mWpWDKgc

...there is a pretty clear narrative to that commercial. It's obviously meant to appeal to a certain type of male who sees himself as "alpha", and considers it his duty to be a tough guy to take care of his family. The gun makers know their target market well.