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PeonForHer -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:35:38 PM)
MM, be fair. You could at least explain how a 'hyperbole' isn't the same thing as a Super Bowl, only bigger.

lovmuffin -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:35:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse... I wouldn't hide his profile. There is so much to learn from the beacon of intellectual dishonesty. Besides, there is a lot of entertainment value there. Yet, instead of counter-argument, you've got snark. Speaking of "intellectual dishonesty," the resurrected buzzword for "I've got nothing, but this sounds good" phrase. Oh please, you can't prove your case. You go from one angle to next and its all crap though you might make a good defense lawyer. Starting towards the beginning of this thread you went from calling for added safeties to guns only to water it down after 20 pages to only include the S&W carried by the woman in the OP. Now we're on to pro gun vs anti gun exaggerations of which pro gun pales in comparison. And I haven't even gotten to your "NRA is an arm of the gun manufacturing industry" crap from posts #582 and #585. I think I'll not bother other than to say, that's all crap too.

BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:38:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse... I wouldn't hide his profile. There is so much to learn from the beacon of intellectual dishonesty. Besides, there is a lot of entertainment value there. Yet, instead of counter-argument, you've got snark. Speaking of "intellectual dishonesty," the resurrected buzzword for "I've got nothing, but this sounds good" phrase. Oh please, you can't prove your case. You go from one angle to next and its all crap though you might make a good defense lawyer. Starting towards the beginning of this thread you went from calling for added safeties to guns only to water it down after 20 pages to only include the S&W carried by the woman in the OP. Now we're on to pro gun vs anti gun exaggerations of which pro gun pales in comparison. And I haven't even gotten to your "NRA is an arm of the gun manufacturing industry" crap from posts #582 and #585. I think I'll not bother other than to say, that's all crap too. Do you know how to tell MM is spouting crap? He is posting.

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:40:06 PM)
Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap." If you come up with anything more substantial, until then. ETA -- Bama, you too. Same applies.

BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:50:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap." If you come up with anything more substantial, until then. ETA -- Bama, you too. Same applies. Well the fix doesn't require a new movement led by the ignorant that is crap. The mechanism is already in place. The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness so blaming the flaw is crap. Don't bother with the knee jerk reaction. I am not saying there is no need to fix the flaw.

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:55:15 PM)
The point from the start was a toddler firing a gun. If you believe a toddler can pull a 6.5 lb. trigger other than one with design flaw, consult a pediatrician. This isn't Bam-Bam from the Flintstones. Carelessness is a factor, yes. So is a weapon a toddler can fire -- not even a child...a toddler. That's not an unreasonable safety fix. And that's already been covered at length. Repeatedly. Again. Over and over. You even agree there's a need to fix it. Yet to you, that's "posting crap." Well, whatever.

bounty44 -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 1:57:30 PM)
i think the interaction I had just had here was a perfect illustration of how liberals are not only exasperating, but despicable as well...

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:00:21 PM)
...and how you are unable to grasp simple concepts like dismissing anything that comes from voices you don't like, regardless of content. And how even when they help give you what you ask for in terms of clarification, you still will stubbornly refuse to learn. The very definition of willful ignorance. It is as you choose.

lovmuffin -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:02:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It's hard to see how this isn't hyperbole: quote: Dear Fellow American: What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights! Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ... ... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!! Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights... by joining NRA today. Must I really go over it again for you. Change the words passing laws to trying to pass laws and it's hardly exaggerated. If this letter was written back in the Clinton era then ya don't even have to change the words and it's hardly exaggerated. Ya still can't show me where I stated all the anti gun hyperbole in post # 627 is not spot on. In fact ya can't refute what happened in those non NRA countries, Canada, Australia and in the UK, in the same post, that make "Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights..." at the end of the NRA letter you cited not even close to hyperbole. But go for it. I'm sure you can come up with another angle.

BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:06:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It's hard to see how this isn't hyperbole: quote: Dear Fellow American: What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights! Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ... ... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!! Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights... by joining NRA today. Must I really go over it again for you. Change the words passing laws to trying to pass laws and it's hardly exaggerated. If this letter was written back in the Clinton era then ya don't even have to change the words and it's hardly exaggerated. Ya still can't show me where I stated all the anti gun hyperbole in post # 627 is not spot on. In fact ya can't refute what happened in those non NRA countries, Canada, Australia and in the UK, in the same post, that make "Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights..." at the end of the NRA letter you cited not even close to hyperbole. But go for it. I'm sure you can come up with another angle. Hyperbole = pro gun statement reasonable = anti gun statement

Kirata -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:07:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness... In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that. K.

BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The point from the start was a toddler firing a gun. If you believe a toddler can pull a 6.5 lb. trigger other than one with design flaw, consult a pediatrician. This isn't Bam-Bam from the Flintstones. Carelessness is a factor, yes. So is a weapon a toddler can fire -- not even a child...a toddler. That's not an unreasonable safety fix. And that's already been covered at length. Repeatedly. Again. Over and over. You even agree there's a need to fix it. Yet to you, that's "posting crap." Well, whatever. And I said again in my post that it needed to be fixed, but to admit that would mean you couldn't pretend to be superior. And no the cause was because the woman left the gun unattended. Are you so dense that you cannot see these are separate issues. Of course the flaw needs to be fixed so don't pretend that I am saying otherwise. But the cause of the accident is that she left the gun unattended. I know the point to you is the gun, it has to be the gun, you can only excuse things like programs set up by the ignorant if it is the gun and not a simple case of carelessness. I know that you said that "experts" would make the changes but the ignorant would still decide if they were enough. When it comes to this it is you who suffer from the perfection fallacy you know if it isn't perfect your not even trying.

lovmuffin -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:20:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap." No, the flaw is not a safety fix but a flaw that needs to be fixed for safety's sake but I think we all agree with the context of what I think you meant on that point. Can't we all get naked and sing Kume-Bye_Ya on that one ? And no there isn't good solid evidence for the industry claim that I haven't refuted except to call "crap." But it is indeed crap and I'll get to it. Right now I need to get dinner going or I'll be in dutch[8D]

lovmuffin -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:28:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness... In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that. K. Ya know, that brings up a good point. In all the jibber jabber over the fucking design flaw on this gun. We don't even know if that in fact contributed to the accident.

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:31:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap." No, the flaw is not a safety fix but a flaw that needs to be fixed for safety's sake but I think we all agree with the context of what I think you meant on that point. Can't we all get naked and sing Kume-Bye_Ya on that one ? Well I thought so, several times, but then he dredges it up again. And yeah, the only difference is semantics. quote: And no there isn't good solid evidence for the industry claim that I haven't refuted except to call "crap." But it is indeed crap and I'll get to it. Right now I need to get dinner going or I'll be in dutch[8D] Looking forward to seeing your arguments other than "crap."

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:32:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness... In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that. K. Ya know, that brings up a good point. In all the jibber jabber over the fucking design flaw on this gun. We don't even know if that in fact contributed to the accident. That's true, technically, though it seems likely. It was brought up early in the context of "we don't need a new law" rant (that no one was calling for).

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:36:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The point from the start was a toddler firing a gun. If you believe a toddler can pull a 6.5 lb. trigger other than one with design flaw, consult a pediatrician. This isn't Bam-Bam from the Flintstones. Carelessness is a factor, yes. So is a weapon a toddler can fire -- not even a child...a toddler. That's not an unreasonable safety fix. And that's already been covered at length. Repeatedly. Again. Over and over. You even agree there's a need to fix it. Yet to you, that's "posting crap." Well, whatever. And I said again in my post that it needed to be fixed, but to admit that would mean you couldn't pretend to be superior. And no the cause was because the woman left the gun unattended. Are you so dense that you cannot see these are separate issues. Of course the flaw needs to be fixed so don't pretend that I am saying otherwise. But the cause of the accident is that she left the gun unattended. I know the point to you is the gun, it has to be the gun, you can only excuse things like programs set up by the ignorant if it is the gun and not a simple case of carelessness. I know that you said that "experts" would make the changes but the ignorant would still decide if they were enough. When it comes to this it is you who suffer from the perfection fallacy you know if it isn't perfect your not even trying. Ya know, for the life of me, I can't see your problem. We agree on the flaw fix. Problem solved -- so why isn't it solved for you? Carelessness was also an issue--remember arguing over whether training programs were effective? And there's little doubt, barring some amazing other circumstances, that reckless endangerment is the key point. So what are you arguing about? I mean, really? Stop fighting with that phantom in your head. Tell yourself "Yah! I got them to say no new law!," declare yourself victorious, and brag to your friends. Mission Accomplished.

BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:38:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness... In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that. K. The flaw would not have even come into play without the carelessness. What we don't know is what, if any, part the flaw played in the accident. While my son would have still been described as a toddler he could have pulled the trigger, flaw or no flaw. And I have know other large children who could have as well so I am not claiming he was unique by any means. None of this dismisses the need for a fix which is, as I have said before, a separate issue.

BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:43:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness... In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that. K. Ya know, that brings up a good point. In all the jibber jabber over the fucking design flaw on this gun. We don't even know if that in fact contributed to the accident. That's true, technically, though it seems likely. It was brought up early in the context of "we don't need a new law" rant (that no one was calling for). You stated that it was up to people like you to "step up" and see to it that the changes were made. You and other ignorant people would then decide when enough changes were made. I never used the phrase make a new law, I kept it in terms you used. If you think that your terms meant a new law then it did, if you think that ignorant people stepping up and seeing to it that the changes you want are made (regardless of who you would get to implement them) doesn't require a new law then fine.

Musicmystery -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/24/2015 2:50:06 PM)
Welcome to how a democracy works. You're going to like this better than Iran, China, or North Korea. Give it time.

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