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Musicmystery -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/9/2015 7:31:36 PM)
quote: Some of you may assume that there's nothing wrong with a seduction-coercion scenario when a friend's mother or neighbor is a MILF. Yet again, no one on this thread thinks that, and everyone has explicitly made that clear. yawn

Musicmystery -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/9/2015 7:33:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: THIS is exactly the point I have been trying to drive home. Sounds like every guy's fantasy but who's to say he remained fine with it? No I don't know for sure but it's possible. It IS possible that later on it hit him that he was essentially blown by his mom. I hope someone has checked in on him to make sure he's okay. Don't know if this issue has already been raised in this thread but I have been wondering . . . . . when is the sexual act perceived as ABUSE by the young person? When does he/she become psychosexually damaged? Assuming a seduction and not a violent rape. Assuming some pleasure was derived. When does guilt begin for the child? Is it immediate? A day later? A year later? Does the abused know intuitively he has been abused? Or most he wait for information and validation later in life? Is the feeling of being abused (in a non-violent, seductive, maybe pleasurable experience) implicit/explicit in the experience or is it ladled on later as a social taboo construct? When does a child know he/she has been wronged? Is there a universal reference? Curious. Well, some on this thread apparently believe that one willing blow job at 15 and you're fucked for life. That must be some cocksucker.

dcnovice -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/9/2015 8:25:39 PM)
FR I wonder what might happen if the recipient of this voluntary, year-making blow job were to say to his friend (and seducer's son), "Wow, your mom gives great head!" I'm not sure the effects on the boys' friendship or the mother-son relationship would be entirely benign. Or would the mom, like many a seducer before her, have made clear that the price of pleasure was secrecy--and shame?

Musicmystery -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/9/2015 8:29:34 PM)
And again, no one's saying it's benign. I'm saying it's not a terrorist strike either.

FieryOpal -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 12:24:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR I wonder what might happen if the recipient of this voluntary, year-making blow job were to say to his friend (and seducer's son), "Wow, your mom gives great head!" I'm not sure the effects on the boys' friendship or the mother-son relationship would be entirely benign. Or would the mom, like many a seducer before her, have made clear that the price of pleasure was secrecy--and shame? As uncertain as the ripple effect may be to pseudo-incestuous relations, at the root of just about every documented sexual dysfunction or sexual disorder which is not physiologically based...is guilt and shame. Shame and guilt are the common-denominator theme, including being compelled to keep (dirty) secrets. Being told by anyone - posting here or not posting here - that what happened was not such a big deal, nothing to get worked up about, could be akin to sending the message that such sexual misconduct in adults is permissible. That minors are not off limits, or that age "15" is the magic number and fair game. Or that certain sexual acts are more permissible than others, that adults have the right to violate personal boundaries, that sexual molestation is not a predatory act if perpetrated with the right gift-wrapping. It has also been fairly well documented that those who abuse others later in life, were themselves abused. It is an ugly circle of abuse that perpetuates itself if not dealt with, often with years of (ongoing) therapy. The rate of recidivism for sexual offenders is not encouraging to say the least. Would you (plural) choose to have a sexual offender move into your neighborhood? Live within walking distance of schools and playgrounds? Be honest, in your heart of hearts, whether you would want to potentially put your own family at risk or in harm's way.

LiveSpark -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 4:34:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And again, no one's saying it's benign. I'm saying it's not a terrorist strike either. No Tim YOU are saying it's benign over and over again. Several of us are the ones who are saying it isn't. Make up your mind.

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 5:26:25 AM)
FR I must admit, I'm still not convinced that the lad in question is going to be traumatised for the rest of his life because an older bird gave him a BJ. On the other hand, I do find it sort of endearing and even somewhat admirable that many of the women here are so condemning of this woman's behaviour. :-)

LiveSpark -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 5:33:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR I must admit, I'm still not convinced that the lad in question is going to be traumatised for the rest of his life because an older bird gave him a BJ. On the other hand, I do find it sort of endearing and even somewhat admirable that many of the women here are so condemning of this woman's behaviour. :-) I find it not the least bit surprising that the men on the whole are minimising it and denying that the possibility that it was more than a simple BJ.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 6:02:31 AM)
~FR I will happily adhere to the unpopular opinion here. I knew it was going to be unpopular because this site caters to the objectification of men and women, and obviously girls and boys. That said; the boy was objectified, and odds are good that from now on he will objectify girls/women as a sex delivery system only. He is going to have to grapple with the thought that "she" hit her knees immediately why won't all girls? Girls in his age group should be more willing to please him sans attachment/effort/commitment because that is the "nature" of females, case and point a famous cheerleader sucked his dick, the little band geek girl should drop to her knees the second he unzips his fly. The idea that "this" isolated moment had no effect on him is mind boggling to me. I cannot understand how exactly we have so many intelligent men on here that immediately get CockCerebral the second it's a hot chick. What if it had been a NFL quarterback that sucked his dick... yeah, the torches would be passed out to the angry mob and 99% of you would be screaming for his head on a stake. Jus sayin

thishereboi -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 6:13:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR I must admit, I'm still not convinced that the lad in question is going to be traumatised for the rest of his life because an older bird gave him a BJ. On the other hand, I do find it sort of endearing and even somewhat admirable that many of the women here are so condemning of this woman's behaviour. :-) I am not convinced either, but I know it's a possibility which is why I agree with the law that says leave them the fuck alone until they are older.

GoddessManko -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 6:16:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant ~FR I will happily adhere to the unpopular opinion here. I knew it was going to be unpopular because this site caters to the objectification of men and women, and obviously girls and boys. That said; the boy was objectified, and odds are good that from now on he will objectify girls/women as a sex delivery system only. He is going to have to grapple with the thought that "she" hit her knees immediately why won't all girls? Girls in his age group should be more willing to please him sans attachment/effort/commitment because that is the "nature" of females, case and point a famous cheerleader sucked his dick, the little band geek girl should drop to her knees the second he unzips his fly. The idea that "this" isolated moment had no effect on him is mind boggling to me. I cannot understand how exactly we have so many intelligent men on here that immediately get CockCerebral the second it's a hot chick. What if it had been a NFL quarterback that sucked his dick... yeah, the torches would be passed out to the angry mob and 99% of you would be screaming for his head on a stake. Jus sayin Oh my goodness, how "on point" can one person be? My hat's off to you! This is precisely it. During this time it is normal for adolescents to also be bi-curious as a natural part of the growing process. She screwed up his sexual development, period. And as sexyred1 said, there should be a zero tolerance policy for illegal acts. Objectification is only OK when the person is a subject first, fully sexually developed and has given consent to be a subject for objectification knowing all what it entails. This kid is not even in the ballpark of figuring this out.

LiveSpark -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 6:20:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant ~FR I will happily adhere to the unpopular opinion here. I knew it was going to be unpopular because this site caters to the objectification of men and women, and obviously girls and boys. That said; the boy was objectified, and odds are good that from now on he will objectify girls/women as a sex delivery system only. He is going to have to grapple with the thought that "she" hit her knees immediately why won't all girls? Girls in his age group should be more willing to please him sans attachment/effort/commitment because that is the "nature" of females, case and point a famous cheerleader sucked his dick, the little band geek girl should drop to her knees the second he unzips his fly. The idea that "this" isolated moment had no effect on him is mind boggling to me. I cannot understand how exactly we have so many intelligent men on here that immediately get CockCerebral the second it's a hot chick. What if it had been a NFL quarterback that sucked his dick... yeah, the torches would be passed out to the angry mob and 99% of you would be screaming for his head on a stake. Jus sayin THIS! You have said it all so very perfectly ET, bravo! You really really get it, yes just one BJ can very well have a huge effect. [sm=applause.gif] [sm=applause.gif]

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 7:41:02 AM)
quote: I will happily adhere to the unpopular opinion here. Yours is clearly the popular opinion here, ET. Ages ago I tried to coin a term: 'Peon's Law' for CM's threads on certain subjects: that as each post goes by, the predictions of disaster, doom and death increase. Each poster has to outdo the last in their impression of Charlton Heston in full Old Testament mode. People who don't go with the flow are cast as debauched and demonic. There is only black and white and there's no 'steady on, don't go too far'. E.g. I see just one person suggesting a change in the law and suggesting that this woman shouldn't be prosecuted. Odd. I only see it here on CM.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 7:41:40 AM)
FR~ I think half the problems with specific age limits is because 'one size fits all' just doesn't fit at all. I know people (both male and female) at aged 12-13 that know and are emotionally and physically mature enough to deal with these "adult" situations - and many are actively involved in such pursuits. Equally well, I know many over the age of 20 that are sooo naive that they might just as well be barely 10 years old. But.... society (and the law) has to draw a line somewhere and for each country, those lines are different.

LiveSpark -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 7:43:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I will happily adhere to the unpopular opinion here. Yours is clearly the popular opinion here, ET. Ages ago I tried to coin a term: 'Peon's Law' for CM's threads on certain subjects: that as each post goes by, the predictions of disaster, doom and death increase. Each poster has to outdo the last in their impression of Charlton Heston in full Old Testament mode. People who don't go with the flow are cast as debauched and demonic. There is only black and white and there's no 'steady on, don't go too far'. E.g. I see just one person suggesting a change in the law and suggesting that this woman shouldn't be prosecuted. Odd. I only see it here on CM. What you see as outdoing each other I see as further examples of our position it's wrong. But your mileage may vary.

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 7:44:26 AM)
quote: But.... society (and the law) has to draw a line somewhere and for each country, those lines are different. Indeed. But let's not get into the rights and wrongs of 16 for the UK, but 17 the other side of the pond. Heads would start exploding. [;)]

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 7:48:03 AM)
quote: What you see as outdoing each other I see as further examples of our position it's wrong. But your mileage may vary. It's that, too, LiveSpark. It can, and often does, lead to the same thing.

GoddessManko -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 7:59:17 AM)
FR I am telling you this from my own personal experience. i wanted to be a nun and when I was 15, visited the convent adjoining my school to give it further serious thought. At 16 I started discovering the world outside of books and experimenting with my sexuality without going full throttle. At 19 I had 9 piercings, a tattoo, my hair was dyed bronze and I wore grey contact lenses. I revamped my wardrobe to skin tight clothes and could seldom be seen without knee high boots on or heels of some sort. My confidence by in large was due to the knowledge that I drew the lines when it came to my sexuality, no one else. I call this intelligent sexuality. When you find yourself having "uncontrollable sexual urges" you have to wonder why you have less sexual intelligence than an animal. And yes, animals do practice homosexuality. But they do not have sex with underdeveloped counterparts. If this has ever happened, do enlighten.

FieryOpal -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 8:04:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer ... Ages ago I tried to coin a term: 'Peon's Law' for CM's threads on certain subjects: that as each post goes by, the predictions of disaster, doom and death increase.... I see just one person suggesting a change in the law and suggesting that this woman shouldn't be prosecuted. Odd. I only see it here on CM. You might note that it was the OP who brought up "legalities aside" early in this thread, and getting embroiled into a legal debate would have been too narrow in perspective. Nobody has said to throw the book at her, other than why should she be treated differently if gender roles had been reversed. Personally, this woman's life is ruined, and if she is guilty of what she's been charged with, then she did it to herself. Does she need to get into a mental health program, under court supervision? Most assuredly, if this did indeed take place. Is she a threat to society? Quite possibly. Sex crimes are known to escalate, most often in trying to cover up the original offense. But really, peon between you and me, were this woman's intentions honorable or simply lascivious? Legalities aside, it does boil down to moral and ethical issues. Nobody has the right to rob a child of his or her childhood innocence.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Woman Sexually Abuses Teenage Boy -- What Say You? (1/10/2015 8:21:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I will happily adhere to the unpopular opinion here. Yours is clearly the popular opinion here, ET. Ages ago I tried to coin a term: 'Peon's Law' for CM's threads on certain subjects: that as each post goes by, the predictions of disaster, doom and death increase. Each poster has to outdo the last in their impression of Charlton Heston in full Old Testament mode. People who don't go with the flow are cast as debauched and demonic. There is only black and white and there's no 'steady on, don't go too far'. E.g. I see just one person suggesting a change in the law and suggesting that this woman shouldn't be prosecuted. Odd. I only see it here on CM. Peon, I am operating under the presumption of innocence regarding her and discussing the ramifications of the effect on any "nameless/faceless" teen that this could happen to. Again, I feel that our freedom of press is reckless, destructive, and dangerous, and should be reigned in to "post-conviction" reporting. Not "post-trial" reporting, "post-conviction". This could easily be a case of "so you stayed at Tommy's house, man his mom is a MILF", "Yeah, and guess what she did?" then it spirals out of control because the boy want's to be uber manly man so the "possible" lie gets compounded by more lies until an adult catches a whisper of it and this happens. Whether she did this or not is up to the courts to decide. The ramifications on his ID (here is my unpopular opinion) were stated previously... objectified becoming objectification. Sure at 15 most guys fantasize about hot older women, playboy and penthouse give us an acceptable longing for such, but since most hot older women scenarios remain in the realm of fantasy for most, the rest have to maturate their dating/relationship skills to get into panties normally and naturally. If women dropped to their knees at the sound of my zipper I would have saved a fortune on chocolates and flowers, but that isn't how it works, and I am very happy that I understand that it is not how it works. For me sex is pretty awesome, but I am not defined by it. All that "learning" of dating/relationships allowed me to appreciate the more core valued aspects of love and I learned that touch is the meaning of life, for me, and touching her is my ambrosia. Sex is an expression of touch, and quite an awesome expression, but a lesser expression for me. The most valuable time for me is that time she is on my lap loving me and I am loving her. This was a difficult transition for me because I was always very pretty, had an older sister and aunts who's friends always thought I was very pretty and were more than happy to objectify me. So it was a difficult transition for me to go from objectifying women to loving and appreciating all that they are. Jus sayin

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