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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Because there is a line in reality.

Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

Which is why most men do not feel the boy somehow suffered from a wet dream blow job by an ex-cheerleader, jeeze. It's why women who do this and are charged get a much lighter sentence than males who do this, because the difference is recognized.

So most of us don't think men and women are the same even when, no, especially when we discuss their actions and their motifvations, even when they are teenage boys getting a blowjob they later brag about enough to get this ex-cheerleader in trouble.

Must say I mostly agree with you here. I think things are much different for the penetrator (the man) and the penetrated (the woman.) It is hard to see a man as violated by getting a blow job, whereas an adult male inserting himself into a teenage girl is another matter entirely, as. This is somewhat as you describe it, the difference between the hunter and the hunted.

The boy also cannot get pregnant.

I also liked Igor's point about the boy's "innocence." I went to prep school, and many of the "innocent boys" there were sexually active from age 13 on up -- and for them this would not have been a "traumatic" experience at all. These guys, though, would have stayed with the woman to have intercourse.

The one driving force behind the condemnation of this behavior (older woman with underage boy) is the natural parental concern that this should not happen. I get that.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

But, if an adult and teenager washed up on an Island with no rules -- the question of abuse would not be a general rule or parental guidelines or ages -- the question of abuse would be individual to the participants. And, the difference in ages might actually be a plus in the equation.

Fair enough. But, why the distinction between man/girl and the other scenarios in your mind? Why is this line drawn?

Because there is a line in reality.

Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

Which is why most men do not feel the boy somehow suffered from a wet dream blow job by an ex-cheerleader, jeeze. It's why women who do this and are charged get a much lighter sentence than males who do this, because the difference is recognized.

So most of us don't think men and women are the same even when, no, especially when we discuss their actions and their motifvations, even when they are teenage boys getting a blowjob they later brag about enough to get this ex-cheerleader in trouble.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

But, if an adult and teenager washed up on an Island with no rules -- the question of abuse would not be a general rule or parental guidelines or ages -- the question of abuse would be individual to the participants. And, the difference in ages might actually be a plus in the equation.

Fair enough. But, why the distinction between man/girl and the other scenarios in your mind? Why is this line drawn?

Because there is a line in reality.

Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

Which is why most men do not feel the boy somehow suffered from a wet dream blow job by an ex-cheerleader, jeeze. It's why women who do this and are charged get a much lighter sentence than males who do this, because the difference is recognized.

So most of us don't think men and women are the same even when, no, especially when we discuss their actions and their motifvations, even when they are teenage boys getting a blowjob they later brag about enough to get this ex-cheerleader in trouble.

Actually you have no fucking clue how this kid is going to handle it. But keep telling yourself you can if it makes you feel better.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Because there is a line in reality.

Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

Which is why most men do not feel the boy somehow suffered from a wet dream blow job by an ex-cheerleader, jeeze. It's why women who do this and are charged get a much lighter sentence than males who do this, because the difference is recognized.

So most of us don't think men and women are the same even when, no, especially when we discuss their actions and their motifvations, even when they are teenage boys getting a blowjob they later brag about enough to get this ex-cheerleader in trouble.

Must say I mostly agree with you here. I think things are much different for the penetrator (the man) and the penetrated (the woman.) It is hard to see a man as violated by getting a blow job, whereas an adult male inserting himself into a teenage girl is another matter entirely. This is somewhat as you describe it, the difference between the hunter and the hunted.

The boy also cannot get pregnant.

I also liked Igor's point about the boy's "innocence." I went to prep school, and many of the "innocent boys" there were sexually active from age 13 on up -- and for them this would not have been a "traumatic" experience at all. These guys, though, would have stayed with the woman to have intercourse and would have not told their parents.

The one driving force behind the condemnation of this behavior (older woman with underage boy) is the natural parental concern that this should not happen. I get that.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

But, if an adult and teenager washed up on an Island with no rules -- the question of abuse would not be a general rule or parental guidelines or ages -- the question of abuse would be individual to the participants. And, the difference in ages might actually be a plus in the equation.

Fair enough. But, why the distinction between man/girl and the other scenarios in your mind? Why is this line drawn?

Because there is a line in reality.

Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

Which is why most men do not feel the boy somehow suffered from a wet dream blow job by an ex-cheerleader, jeeze. It's why women who do this and are charged get a much lighter sentence than males who do this, because the difference is recognized.

So most of us don't think men and women are the same even when, no, especially when we discuss their actions and their motifvations, even when they are teenage boys getting a blowjob they later brag about enough to get this ex-cheerleader in trouble.

Actually you have no fucking clue how this kid is going to handle it. But keep telling yourself you can if it makes you feel better.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Because there is a line in reality.

Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

Which is why most men do not feel the boy somehow suffered from a wet dream blow job by an ex-cheerleader, jeeze. It's why women who do this and are charged get a much lighter sentence than males who do this, because the difference is recognized.

So most of us don't think men and women are the same even when, no, especially when we discuss their actions and their motifvations, even when they are teenage boys getting a blowjob they later brag about enough to get this ex-cheerleader in trouble.

Must say I mostly agree with you here. I think things are much different for the penetrator (the man) and the penetrated (the woman.) It is hard to see a man as violated by getting a blow job, whereas an adult male inserting himself into a teenage girl is another matter entirely. This is somewhat as you describe it, the difference between the hunter and the hunted.

The boy also cannot get pregnant.

I also liked Igor's point about the boy's "innocence." I went to prep school, and many of the "innocent boys" there were sexually active from age 13 on up -- and for them this would not have been a "traumatic" experience at all. These guys, though, would have stayed with the woman to have intercourse and would have not told their parents.

The one driving force behind the condemnation of this behavior (older woman with underage boy) is the natural parental concern that this should not happen. I get that.

What if the adult male didn't penetrate the girl, what if he just got her drunk and went down on her? Would that be ok? And if she was also sexually active, would that make it even better for you? And what difference does it make if he can't get pregnant? Do you honestly think that's the only reason a women gets upset with a rape? Because she might be pregnant?

And if boys are so sexually mature why do you get so upset when a priest plays with an altar boy? Is it only because he is a man? Would you be ok with that if the priests were female?

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ORIGINAL: Arturas



Men and women are different on many levels and one of those is the man is the natural predator and in this situation the prey fell into his lap, no pun intended. As a man, I know this teen boy was not damaged by this while knowing a teen girl would have been, if the roles reversed. It's just that way, which is why this ex-cheerleader thought she could do this where a male cheerleader whould know he could not with a teen girl. And she, the ex-cheerleader would be right except teen boys brag about their 'conquests'.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


And if boys are so sexually mature why do you get so upset when a priest plays with an altar boy? Is it only because he is a man? Would you be ok with that if the priests were female?

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Do we know for a fact that sexual intercourse didn't take place? He may have omitted that part.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Do we know for a fact that sexual intercourse didn't take place? He may have omitted that part.

We also don't know for a fact that they weren't involved in a drug distribution deal, that they weren't plotting a terrorist attack, they they weren't lacing lollipops with cyanide for the pre-school down the street, and that they weren't actually both gay and trying to convince themselves they were hetero.

Oh, and whether they are really humans or actually aliens. They may have omitted that part.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Do we know for a fact that sexual intercourse didn't take place? He may have omitted that part.

We also don't know for a fact that they weren't involved in a drug distribution deal, that they weren't plotting a terrorist attack, they they weren't lacing lollipops with cyanide for the pre-school down the street, and that they weren't actually both gay and trying to convince themselves they were hetero.

Oh, and whether they are really humans or actually aliens. They may have omitted that part.

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--FR--

I did read the article linked to by the OP, but I haven't read all the responses in the thread so I could easily have missed something. In some of the responses that I have read I see people talking about how this encounter possibly ruined this young man's life. Could be...I don't know. But many of the responses seem to be going on the assumption that the guy was a virgin at the time of his encounter with the older woman. Was he? I don't know that either. But if he was already sexually active, then I seriously doubt that there would be a huge negative effect on him just because he received a BJ from an older woman.

No, I'm not trying to negate the seriousness of her offense, but it does kind of irk me when people keep going on about his "innocence" when there may not have been any innocence to begin with. And yes, 15 is fairly young...probably too young when looking at it with an adult mindset...but I have one friend that had his first sexual experience when he was only eleven, and that was with a girl that was 15 at the time. I don't think that had much of a negative effect on him. To me, trying to use his "innocence" as an arguing point is baseless unless there is something indicating that he was pure as the driven snow before the encounter. If anyone has anything indicating that he WAS sexually innocent, then that would change my mind considerably. (And like I said, I haven't read all the posts, so if something has already been posted about that point, then...never mind!)

As far as the woman's guilt or innocence, the laws are not gender specific, and IF she is guilty, then the court should be just as harsh with her as it would be for a male offender.

Now, transpose the genders in everything you wrote and see how that squares.

You seem to be saying (in at least one part that really stood out for me) that since this boy may have been sexually active, it shouldn't cause him any issues, as far as you're concerned.

It's an interesting defense but one that holds no water with a lot of people and all the courts, in this country. Could you imagine: "But, your honor, she's been having sex since she's twelve. That's four years! I couldn't have raped her."? That doesn't even pass the giggle test (and, allegedly, girls mature faster than boys).



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Your kids out running around stuffing his dick down strange women's throats, and you're not going to wonder whether he's into the drug scene?

How pure.