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Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/13/2006 7:45:12 PM   
juancw1


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To all my fellow slaves: is it hard to find safe and sane owners, Did you had this problem when looking for a owner? How can a slave or sub know that the owners are sane, safe and experience but most of all the right owners and not wannabees horny people who wants a male or female for sex or swinging? How can a slave find info from their owners without hurting the process? Is there any web page were Master and Mistress are disply and were we as slaves can know about fakes or danger people?
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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/13/2006 8:48:34 PM   
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I'm gonna disect this and answer each question in turn.  Keep in mind - you get what you pay for, so free advice is worth whatever price you happen to personally attach to it.  (Standard disclaimer that so many of us make - your milage may vary.)
 
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ORIGINAL: juancw1

To all my fellow slaves: is it hard to find safe and sane owners?
 
Sane is SUCH a relative term here.  The vast majority of society doesn't consider any of WIITWD to be "sane."  Or safe, for that matter.  What you consider "sanity" and what I consider "sanity" can be vastly different, unless we're going to fall back to the DSM4 definitions of "sane."  I personally consider this a bad idea, since much of the pschiatric community still considers any form of sado-masocistic behavior to be legally insane.

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 Did you have this problem when looking for a owner?


While I was still actively involved in looking for a power exchange dynamic, it wasn't all that difficult to find those whom I classified as "sane." At least, those who are as sane as I myself am.  Safe is a completely seperate issue, and doesn't always go hand in hand with sanity.  It does, however, share a few similarities - in that you have to decide for yourself what level of risk management you are comfortable with for safety issues, and whether you consider some activities to be inherantly unsafe regardless of how well they're managed.
 
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How can a slave or sub know that the owners are sane, safe and experience but most of all the right owners and not wannabees horny people who wants a male or female for sex or swinging?


By taking your time, really getting to know YOURSELF first so that you know exactly what it is that you want and need vs what you find unacceptable, and then by not rushing the process of finding a compatible partner.  Get involved in the local BDSM community, go to play parties and munches with that community, and watch the people who are there.  Watch their play style.  Listen and learn from any Demos that are conducted for educational purposes on risk management and safety in scene.  Get to know a potential partner as a PERSON first - what they're like Out of the scene, away from the community, in a completely non-BDSM setting.  Watch how they treat people all around them in day to day life, even.  It's been said so often in the past that it's become almost homily, but - if someone is obnoxious and rude to the kid delivering the paper, the mailman, the waitress at a resturant, or the sales clerk at a store - they're probably gonna be that way in all their other dealings with people.  Check references - not through email, but either phone conversations with their prior partners or (best method) face to face talks with those they've played with locally.  Reference emails can be faked, rather easily in fact, by someone wanting to con a sucker.  A face to face meet to chat about style and safety with someone's other local play partners can't be arranged so easily if they are bent on deception.  Don't allow your own eagerness to get involved drive you to jumping in head long before you're very certain of your compatibility with your potential partner, and their understanding of your wants and needs, and your sureity of their safety and sanity as you define those two critters.
 
 
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 How can a slave find info from their owners without hurting the process?


If the person you're considering is worth their salt - they won't get offended at the idea that you are willing to take responcibility for your own safety.  Be honest about it.  If they get pissy about you asking honest questions for your own safety and peace of mind, they likely aren't worth getting involved with in the first place.  There are, of course, tactful manners of going about the process - most of which I'm completely clueless about, since Tact has never been one of my personal strong suits.


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Is there any web page were Master and Mistress are disply and were we as slaves can know about fakes or danger people? 
  

Nope.  You might find various websites (typically connected to specific chatroom groups) which list those that the regulars consider "dangerous" or "frauds" (or simply undesirable due to having pissed off someone popular who's a regular there)  but you won't find any sort of comprehensive listing, nor will you necessarily agree with any given list of such a nature that you find.  Any list of such a nature is going to be suspect at best.  A disgruntled ex of even the safest, sanest person in the world could submit their name to such a site.  Never believe everything you read, whether it be online, or in more traditional media.

Edited to add : I took a look at your profile, Juan, and saw that you're in Houston.  I happen to know that there's a very large and active BDSM community in Houston and it's surrounding areas.  The Houston community holds some incredible people - get to know them, and I'm willing to bet they'll be more than happy to help you along in your path!

< Message edited by hizgeorgiapeach -- 7/13/2006 8:55:34 PM >


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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/13/2006 9:01:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juancw1

To all my fellow slaves: is it hard to find safe and sane owners, Did you had this problem when looking for a owner? How can a slave or sub know that the owners are sane, safe and experience but most of all the right owners and not wannabees horny people who wants a male or female for sex or swinging? How can a slave find info from their owners without hurting the process? Is there any web page were Master and Mistress are disply and were we as slaves can know about fakes or danger people?
sincerely
a free slave  

The best advice that this slave can offer is that of real life. I met my Master in real life 2 days after our first correspondance. Now, granted, I met him through mutual friends, so I trusted their judgement about him.
I have found though, that the best way to meet people, and find out about them; is to meet with thm in real life. Get to know them. It's no different that vanilla dating.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/13/2006 11:24:28 PM   
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Personally I thought it might be a good idea to get to know a dom before I would ever be owned by him. I do not know what kind of dynamic you are looking for though.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 3:35:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juancw1
Is there any web page were Master and Mistress are disply and were we as slaves can know about fakes or danger people?


There are probably many pages out there 'apparently' doing that, however when two people split and it is far from amicable the main deciding factor as too which name ends up on such a page is which of the two is more 'in' with the clique that runs that particular page. None of them are worth the time it takes to read them and some are actualy run by the very people you are trying to avoid!

There are many I consider 'dangerous' in one form or another but why should someone who knows neither of us take my word over theirs? Trust your own instincts, get to know them first rather than acting like a desprate brainless muppet and diving in feet first at the soonest opportunity.


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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 6:32:29 AM   
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Trust your own instincts, get to know them first rather than acting like a desprate brainless muppet and diving in feet first at the soonest opportunity.


I haven't seen anything in the OP's posts that would indicate he's acting like he's desperate or brainless.  In fact, he's asked some pretty good questions and seems to be a bit more in tune with his own needs as they relate to the lifestyle than most new people I've encountered.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 7:02:34 AM   
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The best thing i can tell you is talk to them for a while on the phone before you meet then you should meet for a few times before you decide to take it to the next level.  My Master and I talked for a month or so on the phone then in person for sixteen hours over 3 days before we decided to take it to the next level.  it is hard to know but sometimes you get a feel for someone.  it is not an exact science.  Good luck.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 7:03:02 AM   
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You have to figure out who people are, on your own.

There are no short cuts.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 7:08:28 AM   
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I have to agree with Caretakr here, there are no shortcuts. What you need to do (as others have said) is trust your gut feeling, listen to your instincts and ask lots of questions. And in the same respect, you need to be willing to answer lots of questions... keep in mind that the dominants are also mindful of their own safety. Communication is a big deal, if someone is not willing to answer any question you put to them then you should think carefully about whether or not this person is who you want to spend your life with.
 
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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 7:43:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

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Trust your own instincts, get to know them first rather than acting like a desprate brainless muppet and diving in feet first at the soonest opportunity.


I haven't seen anything in the OP's posts that would indicate he's acting like he's desperate or brainless.  In fact, he's asked some pretty good questions and seems to be a bit more in tune with his own needs as they relate to the lifestyle than most new people I've encountered.


Was a general comment about getting to know the person concerned and not rushing rather than one specific to the OP's own actions.


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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 8:12:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juancw1

To all my fellow slaves: is it hard to find safe and sane owners, Did you had this problem when looking for a owner? How can a slave or sub know that the owners are sane, safe and experience but most of all the right owners and not wannabees horny people who wants a male or female for sex or swinging? How can a slave find info from their owners without hurting the process? Is there any web page were Master and Mistress are disply and were we as slaves can know about fakes or danger people?



It is now hard to find someone safe to be with at all.  As long as you use some common sense. 
If you don't want to find wannabee's then don't search on the computer.  Use the computer as your tool instead of your dating place. 
Use it to learn and read.  To chat but not to date.  Use it to find munches in your area so you can go out and meet real people.
Watch how those people interact with other's.  Do a little research on someone you are interested in.  Ask around, do people like them?  If not why not?  Why do you like that particular person?
Anyone of any value whatsoever is not going to mind you checking them out. 
We all make mistakes along the road.  You just need to minimize those mistakes to the fullest possible.  Don't take life so hard when you do make a mistake.
You can find someone as long as you are smart about doing it.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 8:41:11 AM   
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Think, use your head, if you get a bad vibe then trust it. Regret can be very expensive

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 10:55:07 AM   
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There is no difference here in the kinky world to that what was before you found kink.  It is not one size fits all, there is not one Dom/me for one sub/slave.  Take time, get to know each other, listen and watch for signs of something is not right.

Interestingly the same applies to Dom/mes looking there are just as many nutcase bottoms as there are tops.

I would not meet someone in a bar go home with them within an hour of meeting and give myself to them,  the same applies here. 
Over all listen to that voice in your head when it is waving a flag-its probably correct.

Cheers

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 11:30:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owned1

There is no difference here in the kinky world to that what was before you found kink.  It is not one size fits all, there is not one Dom/me for one sub/slave.  Take time, get to know each other, listen and watch for signs of something is not right.

Interestingly the same applies to Dom/mes looking there are just as many nutcase bottoms as there are tops.

I would not meet someone in a bar go home with them within an hour of meeting and give myself to them,  the same applies here. 
Over all listen to that voice in your head when it is waving a flag-its probably correct.

Cheers


No doubt!

I always wonder why people seem to point the finger at hutcase tops. Bottoms can be every bit as bad.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 12:53:04 PM   
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If you don't want to find wannabee's then don't search on the computer.  Use the computer as your tool instead of your dating place.  Use it to learn and read.  To chat but not to date.


I'm going to disagree with this advice, because it's basically telling the OP that everyone here is a bunch of wannabes, and we know we can't ALL be wankers lacking in social graces.  A LOT of people have met their dominants and spouses online.
 
I met the Kaptin online over six years ago.  In fact, I met my last three dominants online.  The first one wasn't so great and it took me a year and a half to get rid of him, and the second one broke my heart, but they were real people, and I cannot say they were bad people.  The first one just wasn't right, and the second had extenuating circumstances.  But I would not have traded those experiences for anything because, if nothing else, they helped me determine what I was REALLY looking for, and then He found me.
 
The thing about meeting people online - or anywhere, really - is that you have to know who you are and what you want.  If you don't know these things, you'll continue jumping from dominant to dominant until you figure it out.  And you have to be patient.  Don't be too eager to jump into a collar.  Give yourself whatever time you need to know, without question, that it's the RIGHT situation for you, and don't let anyone coerce you into doing what you're not prepared to do.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 1:06:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Personally I thought it might be a good idea to get to know a dom before I would ever be owned by him


i agree with that. that's the way i did it too. But there are a lot of good Masters on the internet...the only thing you need is a 'sharp eye'. i know my Master from the internet as well 

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 1:15:28 PM   
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Most qualified masters don't start by asking questions like "large,brown nipples?'

That's one common indicator.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 2:21:05 PM   
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I happen to agree with Denise.  I also met my Master on line and he is 100%  real.  Sure there are wannabes but you will find that in every walk of life i would think.  You can't discount people who meet on line as many people form lasting relationships from meeting online.    I would not trade what i have with my Master for all the money in the world and if it was not for the internet we may have never met.  Sometimes it just works out.

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 2:25:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Most qualified masters don't start by asking questions like "large,brown nipples?'

That's one common indicator.

LOL how true is that, nor will qualified Masters try to cyber instantly, they usually take an hour or two before they start

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RE: Is it Hard to find safe & sane Owners? - 7/14/2006 7:04:45 PM   
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Most qualified masters don't start by asking questions like "large,brown nipples?'


LOL!  So true!!! 
 
Anyone who starts off a conversation by asking how big your parts are, mentioning sex in the first 50 words or less, or spouts the tired old line of, "What are you into?" is almost guaranteed to be not worth your time.

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