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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I just googled it:

Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely
http://quran.com/33/57-61

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin."

Anyone can cherry-pick.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin."

Anyone can cherry-pick.

The claim was that nothing of the sort was in there

(It takes a trollish moron to move the goalposts)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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"33:60 If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while.    Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter.
33:61 Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter. " [Etc]

Strange. So how do we account for all those billions of Muslims who live amongst Christians and others and, rather than slay them, and stuff, sort of get on with them, live and work with them, and that kind of thing?

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I do not think that I have ever advocated "spray and pray," which IS the Islamic culture's method of firearm use. Inshallah is not my method of accomplishing things either. Which is another issue with Islamic culture and their soldiers (which is actually the reason behind "spray and pray"."

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Good war advice. Or what to do when assaulted--which doesn't essentially differ from your own view to shoot blindly and sort it out later.

Anything on the topic?

I do not think that I have ever advocated "spray and pray," which IS the Islamic culture's method of firearm use. Inshallah is not my method of accomplishing things either. Which is another issue with Islamic culture and their soldiers (which is actually the reason behind "spray and pray"."

I have even commented about Boko Haram possibly trying to bring back Janissaries.

I have used that verse to advocate for bringing back crucifixion for jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever you want to call them.

I have also stated that I believe that a large amount of jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever will need to be killed before change is effected.

Shooting blindly? Not so much.

On topic? Islam's problem with blasphemy is the death written into its own scripture that ya'll want to ignore.

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What regulation would have prevented this

Sure there is... perhaps some required training would have helped... Certainly an intelligence test...[:D] The husband should be prosecuted and perhaps sterilized for marrying such an idiot.

Did not a certain man in Australia get prison time for shooting blindly through a door... How about a law for careless discharge of a weapon. A little time in the slammer may deter the next dumb ass that decides to shoot blindly through a door to think twice... remember that could have been a child.

Butch

South Africa.
Intelligence test? You have to be kidding.
Intelligence is not the same as common sense.
There is no relationship between the two cases.
How many other constitutionally guaranteed rights do you want to make people take a test before they exorcise? Once you establish something like that for one right it would be applicable for them all.
You don't want to change a slippery slope into a cliff do you?

So if she had not had a gun and that had not been her husband, her being raped and killed would be just hunky-dory?

That is just sick.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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No Aylee

If she had the proper training with a weapon she would not have shot through a door...see the difference? If it was a rapist and he came through the door she could have shot him with a lot better chance of hitting him... or if she yelled she had a gun the real rapist would most likely of left... Then the police could have been called... either way the husband is not shot.

Butch

The closer the intruder gets, the more danger she is in. You are essentially saying that she has no right to be in fear for her life until he has actually begun his attack.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Good war advice. Or what to do when assaulted--which doesn't essentially differ from your own view to shoot blindly and sort it out later.

Anything on the topic?

I do not think that I have ever advocated "spray and pray," which IS the Islamic culture's method of firearm use. Inshallah is not my method of accomplishing things either. Which is another issue with Islamic culture and their soldiers (which is actually the reason behind "spray and pray"."

I have even commented about Boko Haram possibly trying to bring back Janissaries.

I have used that verse to advocate for bringing back crucifixion for jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever you want to call them.

I have also stated that I believe that a large amount of jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever will need to be killed before change is effected.

Shooting blindly? Not so much.

On topic? Islam's problem with blasphemy is the death written into its own scripture that ya'll want to ignore.

I have never seen you advocate anything remotely resembling spray and pray. I have however seen people interpret "I have to right to defend myself" as "I have the right to shoot anyone who doesn't look right" or some such, so you shouldn't be surprised.

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First of all, let's be clear up front. You know absolutely nothing about Islam. You haven't practiced it. You have not read the Quran. In all likelihood, you don't even know any Muslims. I know a few Muslims, but we're not far apart in our ignorance here.

I looked up Quran 33:57–61, and it is NOT AS YOU QUOTED IT. Did you selectively pull the quote yourself by looking at the Quran, or did you use some kind of politicized, secondary source? If you did the latter or the former, you are making the author's point.

Of course he used a secondary source, he posted the quote in English. Translation violates the divine nature of the Koran. [8|]

But just to be helpful here is another verse from the Koran that is used to justify death for blasphemy and apostasy:

إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الأَرْضِ ذَلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِي الآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

"The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment." (Qur'an 5:33)

Of course this does not even get into the Hadiths.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Good war advice. Or what to do when assaulted--which doesn't essentially differ from your own view to shoot blindly and sort it out later.

Anything on the topic?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Anyone feel like pulling up Leviticus 24:16 ?
See what the Bible decrees in the event of blasphemy ?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Anyone feel like pulling up Leviticus 24:16 ?
See what the Bible decrees in the event of blasphemy ?

the major difference being, that Leviticus is an old testament history of what the law used to be, before Christ came as the fulfillment of the law...Christians today are not under law, but grace.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Anyone feel like pulling up Leviticus 24:16 ?
See what the Bible decrees in the event of blasphemy ?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nope, its on track, both Islam and Judaism share the old testament, and all its ideology.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nope, its on track, both Islam and Judaism share the old testament, and all its ideology.

Only Islam still follows Leviticus 24:16 though (see the 12 dead in Paris thread for more details)