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Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 1:57:44 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		Why is the Right so afraid of Sharia Law?

It's in the fucking Bible.

Leviticus to be exact.

I realize that we have some posters who try to deflect and justify their Islamophobia (I'm not really comfortable getting on a plane with someone wearing a turban and carrying a Koran myself)

The problem is that most of the people who are Islamophobic tend to call themselves believers in God.
At least one reconciles their beliefs and fears by saying that "The New Testament is what really counts".

I disagree.
The Bible, according to God, is an all or nothing document.

Sharia Law is in the BIBLE.

Why are those who call themselves "Conservatives" so up in arms about it?

Bottom line.

If you are a Bible thumper, you should embrace Sharia Law, not fear it.



Discussion?

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 2:02:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about Sikhs? Are Skihs OK, or is it the turban that freaks people out?



Would the Koran be OK if the holder wasn't turban-wearing?



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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 2:19:46 PM   
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Why is the Right so afraid of Sharia Law?


Aren't you?

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 2:34:32 PM   
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The manufactured fear about world Islam infiltrating or conquering the US to turn us to Sharia Law is (1) bullshit and (2) not likely for a few centuries at least.

A greater concern are the right wing factions that seek a global Christendom, and are happy to use the US military to accomplish that.

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 2:57:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I meant HillWilliam...but the questions could be for you too. I am not afraid of Sharia law... but i would be if I had to live under it in some countries. Any system of law that is practiced by millions of people, in all it's versions, deserves respect. At least respect for its power.

There is a problem with some Muslim immigrants in various nations of this world. They refuse to respect the laws of their inherent nation and cling to Sharia law. Now i may be wrong buy unless I am mistaken Sharia law is now legal and binding in some areas of the UK for civil suits.

BUT...

Just personally I see nothing wrong with any law passed by any group of people within a jurisdiction that abides by the US Constitution. It should make no difference if this law has roots in Islamic law.

Like you i do not believe , at least in out lifetime, Sharia law will replace the Constitution and the laws based on it... but just keep in the back of your mind that some nations have suffered just that.

Butch

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 2:59:42 PM   
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What the HELL is wrong with you people? - 1/16/2015 3:02:51 PM   
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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:03:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure what you mean...but i believe all immigrants should respect and practice the laws of their new lands... whatever they are..... or don't go there. And.. if they achieve a population density able to change the laws under the constitutions of the parent nation then so be it.

Butch

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:15:08 PM   
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I meant HillWilliam...but the questions could be for you too. I am not afraid of Sharia law... but i would be if I had to live under it in some countries. Any system of law that is practiced by millions of people, in all it's versions, deserves respect. At least respect for its power.

There is a problem with some Muslim immigrants in various nations of this world. They refuse to respect the laws of their inherent nation and cling to Sharia law. Now i may be wrong buy unless I am mistaken Sharia law is now legal and binding in some areas of the UK for civil suits.

BUT...

Just personally I see nothing wrong with any law passed by any group of people within a jurisdiction that abides by the US Constitution. It should make no difference if this law has roots in Islamic law.

Like you i do not believe , at least in out lifetime, Sharia law will replace the Constitution and the laws based on it... but just keep in the back of your mind that some nations have suffered just that.

Butch


I'm exactly as afraid of Sharia Law as I am of the Right Wing vision of the US because it's pretty damn close to THE SAME FUCKING THING.

As for the stupid assed question about a Sikh, when is the last time you saw a Sikh carrying a Koran except to the trash?


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RE: What the HELL is wrong with you people? - 1/16/2015 3:17:45 PM   
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Can I ask you leftists... honestly, what the HELL is wrong with you people? Every day, the stupidness train from this administration takes off. The latest: Kerry talking about hugging France and having that washed up James Taylor sing "you have a friend." Do you know how FOOLISH and STUPID that makes America look to EVERYBODY? And Sharpton, the butt buddy of one Barrack Hussein "The Big Zero" talking about emergency meetings over the fucking OSCARS? Sharpton, the guy that owes $4.5 million in back taxes and SKATES. What the HELL is wrong with you people? DON'T ANSWER THAT! I know, you are all mentally ill and/or you just plain hate yourself and America.

Can I ask people who cannot write a complete sentence... Honestly, WHEN are you going to post on topic?

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:26:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		that's not even a right (as in correct) question. the "right" is not afraid of sharia law, the right rejects sharia law because, despite what some leftists might think to the contrary, we do not want to live in a theocratic state. sharia law is not compatible with the western ideals of civilization.

the irony here is that presumably youre a liberal and you don't understand what Islamic law means for all the causes you supposedly hold so dear.

and "sharia" refers to Islamic---so no, sharia law is not in the bible.

last thing---I just posted this elsewhere: liberals seem to like to use the word phobia when it comes to anything they support, that conservatives reject. conservatives are not afraid or fearful of islam, they have examined it and have found it not compatible with the way they wish the country to be. it's not an irrational action or response, in fact, its just the opposite. its a studied and well-reasoned one.

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:27:10 PM   
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Why is the Right so afraid of Sharia Law?

It's in the fucking Bible.



Exactly... laws based on superstitious nonsense are a bad thing, regardless of the source.

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:27:36 PM   
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I'm exactly as afraid of Sharia Law as I am of the Right Wing vision of the US because it's pretty damn close to THE SAME FUCKING THING.


The nutcases in Kansas and Texas and their like will get no sympathy from me... but they are nothing to fear either. They may pass dumb ass laws but so far at least the Constitution has ruled. But i do agree they are bigoted assholes that should be ashamed.

Butch

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:32:11 PM   
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that's not even a right (as in correct) question. the "right" is not afraid of sharia law, the right rejects sharia law because, despite what some leftists might think to the contrary, we do not want to live in a theocratic state.

Some on the right do indeed want to live in a theocratic state, and global empire, and are working to create it.

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:54:04 PM   
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Here's a little anecdote that kind of answers your question:

Amid Threats, Duke Moves Muslim Call to Prayer

“To use that bell tower as a minaret, to call on the god of Islam,” Mr. Graham told a television station in Charlotte, N.C., “we as Christians are being marginalized.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/amid-threats-duke-moves-muslim-call-to-prayer.html?_r=0

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:54:47 PM   
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that's not even a right (as in correct) question. the "right" is not afraid of sharia law, the right rejects sharia law because, despite what some leftists might think to the contrary, we do not want to live in a theocratic state. sharia law is not compatible with the western ideals of civilization.

the irony here is that presumably youre a liberal and you don't understand what Islamic law means for all the causes you supposedly hold so dear.

and "sharia" refers to Islamic---so no, sharia law is not in the bible.

last thing---I just posted this elsewhere: liberals seem to like to use the word phobia when it comes to anything they support, that conservatives reject. conservatives are not afraid or fearful of islam, they have examined it and have found it not compatible with the way they wish the country to be. it's not an irrational action or response, in fact, its just the opposite. its a studied and well-reasoned one.

This is a great post!

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 3:56:15 PM   
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that's not even a right (as in correct) question. the "right" is not afraid of sharia law, the right rejects sharia law because, despite what some leftists might think to the contrary, we do not want to live in a theocratic state.

Some on the right do indeed want to live in a theocratic state, and global empire, and are working to create it.

And some on the left want to live in a socialist empire where there is no religion and are working to create it. (Though given that such states exist, still not sure why they don't move there).

These religious factions that are so hard at work to create a global Christendom and use the military to do so...if they're such a threat, why aren't they being covered on the news? Especially outlets like CNN or PBS or MSNBC? Oddly enough, their hands seem to be full with what terrorists from the Prophet's side are doing.

Given the diverse make-up of this country, how successful do you suppose either side is going to be?

No matter what anyone states, it is "freedom of religion", not "freedom FROM religion". Does that mean that a theocratic state is in place...or should be? No. Does that mean a state where no one has to deal with religious expression? No.

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 4:00:06 PM   
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It's protection from state religion that drove that part of the amendment. And that is very much freedom from religion, as well as freedom to practice your religion of choice.

Reminds me of the joke about "Did your parents let you choose your own career?" "Yup--they said I could be any kind of doctor I wanted to be."

So you can choose your religion, but you have to have one?

Doesn't sound like freedom.

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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 4:29:31 PM   
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Why is the Right so afraid of Sharia Law?
It's in the fucking Bible.
Leviticus to be exact.
I realize that we have some posters who try to deflect and justify their Islamophobia (I'm not really comfortable getting on a plane with someone wearing a turban and carrying a Koran myself)
The problem is that most of the people who are Islamophobic tend to call themselves believers in God.
At least one reconciles their beliefs and fears by saying that "The New Testament is what really counts".
I disagree.
The Bible, according to God, is an all or nothing document.
Sharia Law is in the BIBLE.
Why are those who call themselves "Conservatives" so up in arms about it?
Bottom line.
If you are a Bible thumper, you should embrace Sharia Law, not fear it.
Discussion?


You're analysis is fucked up. The argument you're attempting to make would also mean that Christians would have to follow all the Biblical principles of Judaism, too.

Considering that Muhammad isn't considered a prophet by the Jews, and Sharia is based on the Quran (which is supposed to be God's Word spoken through Muhammad) and on the example of a righteous life given by Muhammad, it's not a surprise that the Jewish people don't support Sharia Law. And, since Muhammad came after Jesus, the Jews aren't likely to follow Muhammad's teachings any more than they follow Christ's teachings. Christians believe the Biblical texts ended with Revelations, and any more additions were to be considered blasphemy. With Muhammad coming along almost 550 years after Christ, how could the Quran be anything other than blasphemy?

Since Sharia Law is based on the Quran and other teachings of Muhammad, their claimed similarity to Leviticus does not prove that those teachings are ones to be followed by all Christians or Jews.

Nice try, though.

I wonder where the guy is that bemoaned the lack of religious discussions is...


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RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? - 1/16/2015 4:33:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's not even a right (as in correct) question. the "right" is not afraid of sharia law, the right rejects sharia law because, despite what some leftists might think to the contrary, we do not want to live in a theocratic state. sharia law is not compatible with the western ideals of civilization.

the irony here is that presumably youre a liberal and you don't understand what Islamic law means for all the causes you supposedly hold so dear.

and "sharia" refers to Islamic---so no, sharia law is not in the bible.

last thing---I just posted this elsewhere: liberals seem to like to use the word phobia when it comes to anything they support, that conservatives reject. conservatives are not afraid or fearful of islam, they have examined it and have found it not compatible with the way they wish the country to be. it's not an irrational action or response, in fact, its just the opposite. its a studied and well-reasoned one.

This is a great post!


Err no it isnt. I explained why when replying to it on the other thread.

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