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Musicmystery -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 11:40:05 AM)
And you actually believe that's the key issue? Get them into rehab, all is rosy? All the sober people are well-to-do? FFS.

usememistress775 -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 11:47:27 AM)
The real issue is that the poor of all races are kept in untenable positions in order to be easier to control. Gang violence is unchecked not because they couldn't find a way to handle it but because they want a perceived easier way out. Something tempting and less delayed in gratification than working for it. On top of that healthy food is not mass produced to make it cheaper and health care isn't about curing but treating symptoms.... Well it looks like I need to get back to my wageslavery and all that.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 2:34:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And you actually believe that's the key issue? Get them into rehab, all is rosy? All the sober people are well-to-do? FFS. Find me the place I said that. Hell, ALL of those articles also talk about the use of intoxicants among the well-to-do and not one of them claims that 100% of the poor need rehab. For someone who doesn't like others to make presumptions about you, you're sure quick to put words in my...and others'..mouths.

Musicmystery -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 2:43:29 PM)
Well, here's what you said: quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity If there werent so many of the poor sucking and shooting intoxicants into their systems as much as possible for most of their lives rather than working hard like successful people do then you would have a much better case for gang tackling the successful, and having government goons make an example out of them Wow sanity, I hope you're trolling because that is literally the most vile, evil thing I've ever heard someone say, and I'm no stranger to hearing people spew hate about groups of people. Vile because it's true? http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/30/us/drug-addicts-among-the-homeless-case-studies-of-some-lost-dreams.html http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/poverty-and-substance-abuse/ Even from the sympathetic side, there's bad news: http://blogs.elon.edu/voicesofwelfare/truth-6-alcohol-and-drug-abuse-is-a-problem-that-spans-all-classes-the-rich-the-poor-and-the-people-in-between/ So first, you wonder "vile because it's true," post a few links, and then note "even from the sympathetic side, there's bad news," with another link. Then, when asked if you really believe that's the key issue, you run: quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And you actually believe that's the key issue? Get them into rehab, all is rosy? All the sober people are well-to-do? FFS. Find me the place I said that. Hell, ALL of those articles also talk about the use of intoxicants among the well-to-do and not one of them claims that 100% of the poor need rehab. For someone who doesn't like others to make presumptions about you, you're sure quick to put words in my...and others'..mouths. So just what DO you think?

Louve00 -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 2:59:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi According to the article... "Billionaires and politicians gathering in Switzerland this week will come under pressure to tackle rising inequality after a study found that – on current trends – by next year, 1% of the world’s population will own more wealth than the other 99%." Should be interesting to see what kind of solutions the billionaires come up with to even things out. Indeed. Would love to be a fly on the wall for this gathering.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 3:16:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, here's what you said: quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity If there werent so many of the poor sucking and shooting intoxicants into their systems as much as possible for most of their lives rather than working hard like successful people do then you would have a much better case for gang tackling the successful, and having government goons make an example out of them Wow sanity, I hope you're trolling because that is literally the most vile, evil thing I've ever heard someone say, and I'm no stranger to hearing people spew hate about groups of people. Vile because it's true? http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/30/us/drug-addicts-among-the-homeless-case-studies-of-some-lost-dreams.html http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/poverty-and-substance-abuse/ Even from the sympathetic side, there's bad news: http://blogs.elon.edu/voicesofwelfare/truth-6-alcohol-and-drug-abuse-is-a-problem-that-spans-all-classes-the-rich-the-poor-and-the-people-in-between/ So first, you wonder "vile because it's true," post a few links, and then note "even from the sympathetic side, there's bad news," with another link. Then, when asked if you really believe that's the key issue, you run: quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And you actually believe that's the key issue? Get them into rehab, all is rosy? All the sober people are well-to-do? FFS. Find me the place I said that. Hell, ALL of those articles also talk about the use of intoxicants among the well-to-do and not one of them claims that 100% of the poor need rehab. For someone who doesn't like others to make presumptions about you, you're sure quick to put words in my...and others'..mouths. So just what DO you think? Not running from anything. Sanity stated that if "not so many of the poor" weren't using intoxicants, they'd be better off. Tkman came back with this proclamation about Sanity's statement: "that is literally the most vile, evil thing I've ever heard someone say". I asked Tkman if his feeling resulted from Sanity's statement being true. Nowhere did I say anything about rehab being the only answer. What I did do is offer up a rebuttal to Tkman's claim that Sanity's statement was vile. As for what I think, I've stated before that falling into a dependance on intoxicants doesn't help anyone's productivity...well-to-do or poor. And while rehabilitation is a good start, there has to be a more effective, helpful way to ensure that it sticks. Now then, other than your snark, what do you think? Since I won't presume nor make mistaken assumptions about what you think, though I'd be willing to bet at least one of your solutions involves taking money from the wealthy.

Musicmystery -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 3:19:03 PM)
Well, if you read my post on the first page, you'd know better. But then jumping to conclusions is easier than reading.

PeonForHer -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 4:00:57 PM)
Tony Benn, the UK's 'elder statesman of socialism' (till last year, when he died), once pointed out during the Blair years of government that every form of equality was now fashionable, except that of wealth. Of course, wealth-equality was once the fundamental type of equality proposed by socialists .... Neoliberalism is hegemonic, nowadays, of course. The chances of that changing look thin - god knows what it would take.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 4:14:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, if you read my post on the first page, you'd know better. But then jumping to conclusions is easier than reading. You would know, given what you did with me on this same thread.

dcnovice -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 4:21:14 PM)
FR In cases where poverty and substance abuse overlap, I wonder how often the abuse is a response to poverty rather than the cause of it.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 4:37:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR In cases where poverty and substance abuse overlap, I wonder how often the abuse is a response to poverty rather than the cause of it. In the sympathetic response I cited above, they feel it happens a lot. Of course, they cite no study other than their own belief.

dcnovice -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 4:53:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR In cases where poverty and substance abuse overlap, I wonder how often the abuse is a response to poverty rather than the cause of it. In the sympathetic response I cited above, they feel it happens a lot. Of course, they cite no study other than their own belief. Thanks, CD! I'll check that out. Haven't researched the topic myself.

Politesub53 -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 5:14:39 PM)
Not to worry though......... We have been told it will all trickle down the line and reach the poor...... fuck knows when though. [8\|]

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 5:45:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Redhusky You cant trust every politicians. I disagree. I think you can trust every politician to do what's best for him/herself and for future elections.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 5:53:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity And rewarding failure is counterproductive to the extreme, a big part of how we got to where we are at I'm glad you brought up the bank, Wall Street and big-business bailouts. Rewarding failure is definitely counterproductive. Or... were you talking about something else? That's just it, Gauge. The bank bailouts, Wall Street bailouts, the GM and Chrysler bailouts, and the big business bailouts ARE counter-productive, even though he may not have been talking about those things. The worst thing that happens is blaming that shit on Capitalism. Those bailouts aren't pillars of Capitalism. Loss IS a pillar and is about as important as profits. You take either one out, and you no longer have Capitalism.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 5:58:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi According to the article... "Billionaires and politicians gathering in Switzerland this week will come under pressure to tackle rising inequality after a study found that – on current trends – by next year, 1% of the world’s population will own more wealth than the other 99%." Should be interesting to see what kind of solutions the billionaires come up with to even things out. They're probably gathering to figure out why it's not rising fast enough. [8D] Here's the interesting thing: The 1% are meeting with politicians to figure out how to reduce the amount of money the 1% have? Seriously? Something tells me Bill Gates has plenty of ideas on how to get rid of his money. Now, why he hasn't given away his billions yet is anyone's guess.

PeonForHer -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 6:09:16 PM)
quote: The bank bailouts, Wall Street bailouts, the GM and Chrysler bailouts, and the big business bailouts ARE counter-productive, even though he may not have been talking about those things. The worst thing that happens is blaming that shit on Capitalism. 'Socialism for the rich; capitalism for the poor', as they say. [;)]

Musicmystery -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 6:38:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, if you read my post on the first page, you'd know better. But then jumping to conclusions is easier than reading. You would know, given what you did with me on this same thread. Well. Now that that's all established . . . So what DO you think? And did you ever bother to read the first page now? Maybe we might have an actual discussion.

Zonie63 -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 6:51:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri That's just it, Gauge. The bank bailouts, Wall Street bailouts, the GM and Chrysler bailouts, and the big business bailouts ARE counter-productive, even though he may not have been talking about those things. The worst thing that happens is blaming that shit on Capitalism. Those bailouts aren't pillars of Capitalism. Loss IS a pillar and is about as important as profits. You take either one out, and you no longer have Capitalism. I think you indirectly answered this point with what you said in your previous post: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I think you can trust every politician to do what's best for him/herself and for future elections. I think the same could be said for every capitalist, in that they'll support whatever is best for him/herself and their company, even if what they support doesn't coincide with the ideological tenets of capitalism. Capitalism's only real principle is to make more money; it doesn't matter how. Capitalists have no principles, no morals, no sense of right and wrong whatsoever. Not much different from politicians, actually, except that politicians still have to answer to the people every few years, whereas capitalists do not.

GoddessManko -> RE: 1% own half the world's wealth (1/21/2015 7:09:49 PM)
Gramsci had an interesting take on this, however I disagree with his solution. I believe our current system works, rules are for the unruly. However it does require mild tweaking to make it run at highest efficiency and to benefit as many as possible, ergo Dash equilibrium and Keynesian economics. Also the "Third Way". Yes, the Friedman dynamic is quintessential long term, but it benefits too few so lacks efficiency.

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