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stef -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 11:40:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 But, I guess in a gun culture such as the US, the gun comes first and any other consideration comes a poor second. [8\|] I'm tempted to ask if you are really enough of an idiot to actually believe this, but I already know the answer to that so it would be a complete waste of time.

Kirata -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 11:40:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata You mean a criminal fleeing a felony robbery who refused to obey a lawful order and attacked a police officer. But is that a justifiable use of a firearm?? Really? Yeah. Really. And neither the Grand Jury nor the Federal investigation by a distinctly less-than-sympathetic Department of Justice found evidence to support an indictment in the circumstances. Now go pound sand. This isn't the UK. Get used to it. K.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 11:56:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata You mean a criminal fleeing a felony robbery who refused to obey a lawful order and attacked a police officer. But is that a justifiable use of a firearm?? Really? Yeah. Really. And neither the Grand Jury nor the Federal investigation by a distinctly less-than-sympathetic Department of Justice found evidence to support an indictment in the circumstances. Now go pound sand. This isn't the UK. Get used to it. K. We also have armed police and I'm fairly sure that here, even when armed, the first response would be NOT to shoot. And there's the difference. You have a law, just like ours, that says excessive force is illegal and the perpetrator should face charges to explain themselves and justify their use of that deadly force. So what happened in all the other cases quoted in CB's link? There is only one common denominator: they were all black. Therein lies a good reason to re-open the cases and have each one properly scrutinised by an independent legal body.

cloudboy -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:00:06 PM)
Well, according to his testimony, Wilson was attacked by a Demon [sm=evil.gif] --- so six shots were necessary to kill Brown, who was unarmed and no longer near the police car anymore.

CreativeDominant -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:02:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Justice Department lawyers will recommend that no civil rights charges be brought against the police officer who fatally shot an unarmed teenager in Ferguson, Mo., after an F.B.I. investigation found no evidence to support charges... Federal investigators interviewed more than 200 people and analyzed cellphone audio and video... Officer Wilson’s gun, clothing and other evidence were analyzed at the F.B.I.’s laboratory in Quantico, Va. Though the local authorities and Mr. Brown’s family conducted autopsies, Mr. Holder ordered a separate autopsy, which was conducted by pathologists from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner’s office at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware... ~NY Times The lying pieces of shit who ginned up a firestorm of lootings and murders had no comment. K. Of course you do know the background issues are quite complicated. For instance, consider the case of Tamir Rice. How do you rationally explain that one? Leave it to you cloud...Despite what you and sooooo many wanted, not even Eric Holder's DOJ nor the FBI could find reason to prosecute Darren Wilson. But instead of stating that maybe the cop WAS justified, you come back with some other tangent...Why? Because you can't handle the truth over this case?

CreativeDominant -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:06:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Well, according to his testimony, Wilson was attacked by a Demon [sm=evil.gif] --- so six shots were necessary to kill Brown, who was unarmed and no longer near the police car anymore. You can keep arguing all you want, cloud...again, apparently neither Eric Holder (black), nor the department he is head of, nor the FBI agree with you.

kdsub -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:12:56 PM)
quote: There are loads of other ways to deal with this situation. I think we can all agree with the above... I am sure Wilson would agree with the above...But of course we have time to think about it...He did not have that luxury. Training or no training when things happen this quickly we can all make terrible mistakes... he made one but not a criminal one nor was it his fault. He was put in that situation by Brown and only Brown. I do think good things can come from this...especially a new realization by police that this could happen to them and they will be thinking of this when they have a gun in their hand. The cameras are good as well even though they do not give the whole story either. The bullshit about the court system is just that... don't break the law and you will not be before a judge... if you do your economic situation should mean nothing. Butch

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:15:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata You mean a criminal fleeing a felony robbery who refused to obey a lawful order and attacked a police officer. But is that a justifiable use of a firearm?? Really? Yeah. Really. And neither the Grand Jury nor the Federal investigation by a distinctly less-than-sympathetic Department of Justice found evidence to support an indictment in the circumstances. Now go pound sand. This isn't the UK. Get used to it. K. We also have armed police and I'm fairly sure that here, even when armed, the first response would be NOT to shoot. And there's the difference. You have a law, just like ours, that says excessive force is illegal and the perpetrator should face charges to explain themselves and justify their use of that deadly force. So what happened in all the other cases quoted in CB's link? There is only one common denominator: they were all black. Therein lies a good reason to re-open the cases and have each one properly scrutinised by an independent legal body. Of course they were all black. If you followed CBs posts you would know that he blames anything worse than the common cold that happens to a black person to be racism and wouldn't show a white "victim" if 90% were white.

Kirata -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:36:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 So what happened in all the other cases quoted in CB's link? There is only one common denominator: they were all black. Fuck you and the race card. I'm not familiar with the details in all of them, but I'd be willing to bet that you aren't either. There is only one common denominator in the cases because those are the cases the author selected to present. Blacks aren't the only people shot by police. I can find cases of white kids being killed too, in one case by a black cop. In case you're not aware, in every place that I've ever lived the police can issue amplified commands through a speaker from inside their vehicle. So we can't say they didn't warn Tamir Rice just because we can't hear it. The video has no sound. And in the Gardner video, he didn't start saying he couldn't breathe until the cops were kneeling on him because he was still resisting. The lesson to be learned here is to obey lawful orders and don't resist arrest. With that as a clue, see if you can guess why Julia Shields was taken into custody without incident. Don't strain yourself. Take your time. For further information, see here. K.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 12:37:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: There are loads of other ways to deal with this situation. I think we can all agree with the above... I am sure Wilson would agree with the above...But of course we have time to think about it... And that is where the training comes into it - think first, act after consideration. Maybe that is where the difference is between the US and other countries when it comes to guns. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub He did not have that luxury. Training or no training when things happen this quickly we can all make terrible mistakes... And again, therein lies the difference between the US and other countries. If a mistake is made, there are proceedures to deal with these mistakes and the judiciary where the officer(s) in question face the charges first and prove that they were justified in their actions. In the US, it seems that you have different ways of letting a death happen with nobody being held accountable for it. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub he made one but not a criminal one nor was it his fault. He was put in that situation by Brown and only Brown. And what of the "excessive force" laws? There again, that is where the US differs from almost anywhere else. The charge of excessive force rarely seems to be applied whereas almost anywhere else, it's the first thing that is brought up. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I do think good things can come from this...especially a new realization by police that this could happen to them and they will be thinking of this when they have a gun in their hand. I don't think so because of the type of training your police seem to have. In most other places, it's anything and everything else first, guns last and even then only when absolutely everything else has failed. Your guys seem to be trained in shoot first, ask questions later; and it appears in the majority of cases that they get away with it by the judiciary not pushing what laws you have. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The cameras are good as well even though they do not give the whole story either. The bullshit about the court system is just that... don't break the law and you will not be before a judge... if you do your economic situation should mean nothing. The problem is, as per CB's link - Shouldn’t more people, in equal measures, be taken in and not taken out? It begs the question when compared to other countries. ETA: Yes, I know CB's posts tend to be racist but I tried to take that element out. As for "investigation found no evidence to support charges".... Ummm... a police officer with a smoking gun and a dead body?? Are they blind?

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 1:57:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Well, according to his testimony, Wilson was attacked by a Demon [sm=evil.gif] --- so six shots were necessary to kill Brown, who was unarmed and no longer near the police car anymore. You A Know he made no such claim B Should but most likely don't know that if you have to fire you do so till they stop coming, and that Brown didn't stop coming till the 6th hit.

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 2:00:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: There are loads of other ways to deal with this situation. I think we can all agree with the above... I am sure Wilson would agree with the above...But of course we have time to think about it...He did not have that luxury. Training or no training when things happen this quickly we can all make terrible mistakes... he made one but not a criminal one nor was it his fault. He was put in that situation by Brown and only Brown. I do think good things can come from this...especially a new realization by police that this could happen to them and they will be thinking of this when they have a gun in their hand. The cameras are good as well even though they do not give the whole story either. The bullshit about the court system is just that... don't break the law and you will not be before a judge... if you do your economic situation should mean nothing. Butch Right it is always easier to come up with a plan in the safety of your living room in six months than to come up with a plan when a guy who has already proven he can stomp you into the ground charging at you in 6 seconds.

CreativeDominant -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 2:04:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Shouldn’t more people, in equal measures, be taken in and not taken out? It begs the question when compared to other countries. ETA: Yes, I know CB's posts tend to be racist but I tried to take that element out. As for "investigation found no evidence to support charges".... Ummm... a police officer with a smoking gun and a dead body?? Are they blind? No, they aren't blind...not just willing to let that be the only picture they look at. What is it about a Grand Jury AND a DOJ investigation (led by Eric "America is Racist" Holder) AND a FBI investigation that you don't feel was thorough enough?

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 4:58:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Shouldn’t more people, in equal measures, be taken in and not taken out? It begs the question when compared to other countries. ETA: Yes, I know CB's posts tend to be racist but I tried to take that element out. As for "investigation found no evidence to support charges".... Ummm... a police officer with a smoking gun and a dead body?? Are they blind? No, they aren't blind...not just willing to let that be the only picture they look at. What is it about a Grand Jury AND a DOJ investigation (led by Eric "America is Racist" Holder) AND a FBI investigation that you don't feel was thorough enough? You forget who you are talking to. Wilson had a gun, therefor he is evil. Wilson was a cop, therefor he is evil. Wilson is white, therefor he is evil. Wilson is an American therefore he is evil. Wilson is an American therefor he didn't know what he was doing. This happened in America therefor Holder (as he always does with obvious white racist) gave him a pass.

DaddySatyr -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 5:56:09 PM)
"You forget who you are talking to. Wilson had a gun, therefor he is evil. Wilson was a cop, therefor he is evil. Wilson is white, therefor he is evil (... and a racist). Wilson is an American therefore he is evil. Wilson is an American therefor he didn't know what he was doing. This happened in America therefor Holder (as he always does with obvious white racist) gave him a pass." Fixed it for ya, Bama! Michael

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 6:48:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr "You forget who you are talking to. Wilson had a gun, therefor he is evil. Wilson was a cop, therefor he is evil. Wilson is white, therefor he is evil (... and a racist). Wilson is an American therefore he is evil. Wilson is an American therefor he didn't know what he was doing. This happened in America therefor Holder (as he always does with obvious white racist) gave him a pass." Fixed it for ya, Bama! Michael Thanks thought I had included that.

kdsub -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 6:58:10 PM)
A little more change for clarity... "You forget who you are talking to. Wilson had a gun, therefor he is evil.(...and a Yahoo most likely Republican ) Wilson was a cop, therefor he is evil.(...and a black baby killer) Wilson is white, therefor he is evil (... and a racist). Wilson is an American therefore he is evil.(...and a Zionist supporter advocating the killing of baby Palestinians) Wilson is an American therefor he didn't know what he was doing.(... because it is a proven fact somewhere that Americans are much less intelligent than Europeans) This happened in America therefore Holder (as he always does with obvious white racist) gave him a pass."(...Because all Americans that disagree with Europeans are Yahoo Republican black baby killing Zionists loving dumb asses) Butch

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 7:01:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub A little more change for clarity... "You forget who you are talking to. Wilson had a gun, therefor he is evil.(...and a Yahoo most likely Republican ) Wilson was a cop, therefor he is evil.(...and a black baby killer) Wilson is white, therefor he is evil (... and a racist). Wilson is an American therefore he is evil.(...and a Zionist supporter advocating the killing of baby Palestinians) Wilson is an American therefor he didn't know what he was doing.(... because it is a proven fact somewhere that Americans are much less intelligent than Europeans) This happened in America therefore Holder (as he always does with obvious white racist) gave him a pass."(...Because all Americans that disagree with Europeans are Yahoo Republican black baby killing Zionists loving dumb asses) Butch LOL

BamaD -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 7:03:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub A little more change for clarity... "You forget who you are talking to. Wilson had a gun, therefor he is evil.(...and a Yahoo most likely Republican ) Wilson was a cop, therefor he is evil.(...and a black baby killer) Wilson is white, therefor he is evil (... and a racist). Wilson is an American therefore he is evil.(...and a Zionist supporter advocating the killing of baby Palestinians) Wilson is an American therefor he didn't know what he was doing.(... because it is a proven fact somewhere that Americans are much less intelligent than Europeans) This happened in America therefore Holder (as he always does with obvious white racist) gave him a pass."(...Because all Americans that disagree with Europeans are Yahoo Republican black baby killing Zionists loving dumb asses) Butch Under didn't know what he was doing I was referring to the repeated proclamations he has made about how much better the British police are (of course they still don't seem to have arrested him for his illegal mace).

DesideriScuri -> RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... (1/22/2015 7:25:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata You mean a criminal fleeing a felony robbery who refused to obey a lawful order and attacked a police officer. But is that a justifiable use of a firearm?? Really? Yeah. Really. And neither the Grand Jury nor the Federal investigation by a distinctly less-than-sympathetic Department of Justice found evidence to support an indictment in the circumstances. Now go pound sand. This isn't the UK. Get used to it. K. We also have armed police and I'm fairly sure that here, even when armed, the first response would be NOT to shoot. And there's the difference. You have a law, just like ours, that says excessive force is illegal and the perpetrator should face charges to explain themselves and justify their use of that deadly force. So what happened in all the other cases quoted in CB's link? There is only one common denominator: they were all black. Therein lies a good reason to re-open the cases and have each one properly scrutinised by an independent legal body. 1. The other cases don't matter in this thread. 2. The FBI and the US DOJ were the ones scrutinizing the case. That those two bodies didn't find reason to bring civil rights charges. If you think for even the briefest wisps of time that Eric Holder and the US DOJ under him wouldn't have brought charges if there was evidence they could use, then you're simply detached from reality.

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