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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 4:00:27 AM   
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And people do not realize that by dragging it out this half-ass way of fighting a war makes sure there is no end to the fighting.


What makes it never ending is the policy of regime change and outside interference.

The notion that if weapons were not supplied then wars would just stop is bullshit. People would either still get weapons on the black market or improvise.

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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 4:02:09 AM   
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Bama if we had fought to win and told Iran...Russia...Pakistan...or any other country supplying weapons, explosives, training, and sanctuary to our enemies we would consider a state of war with them and meant it... This would all have been over by 12/11 of 2001.

If, we as a nation, were not willing to fight to win then we should have kept our boys and girls at home and petitioned the UN to waist our time and try to save face... We did neither and are suffering the results.

Real wars cannot be fought worrying about if tanks and anti-aircraft guns are hidden next to hospitals and mosques

Butch


So if Russia doesn`t stop interfering, America declares war, and we all go nuclear.

Great solution Butch.



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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 7:39:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual you miss my point....which is do not fight if you do not want to do what it would take to win. We make the same mistakes over and over. We put our children at risk without a plan for final victory. Otherwise we should not have entered into war on a half ass basis.


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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 8:10:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		If we are not willing to confront the support for terrorism in the world then do not put the military in harms way...Simple.

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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 8:18:33 AM   
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he notion that if weapons were not supplied then wars would just stop is bullshit


No it is not... do you really think Isis or the Taliban or any other successful guerrilla organization could fight a well supplied and organized military?

Sure they could harass... they could still kill... but without extensive economic...training...and material support they could not achieve military control of land and resources... otherwise they would not be anything but a minor nuisance.

Butch

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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 12:44:58 PM   
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do you really think Isis or the Taliban or any other successful guerrilla organization could fight a well supplied and organized military?

You mean like, say, the Russian Army?

K.






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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 12:47:15 PM   
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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 1:50:07 PM   
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Hold on, they had heavy American backing on that one, billions and billions.

Be that as it may, to negate kdsub's claim requires only that they be guerillas who engaged in successful asymmetric warfare against "a well supplied and organized military."

K.

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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 2:01:05 PM   
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Hold on, they had heavy American backing on that one, billions and billions.

Be that as it may, to negate kdsub's claim requires only that they be guerillas who engaged in successful asymmetric warfare against "a well supplied and organized military."

K.

Even if you negate kdsubs claim you cannot argue that people who supply the guerillas make them more dangerous.

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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 2:19:33 PM   
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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 4:49:23 PM   
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he notion that if weapons were not supplied then wars would just stop is bullshit


No it is not... do you really think Isis or the Taliban or any other successful guerrilla organization could fight a well supplied and organized military?

Sure they could harass... they could still kill... but without extensive economic...training...and material support they could not achieve military control of land and resources... otherwise they would not be anything but a minor nuisance.

Butch


Read some history, or failing that, my post.

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RE: Pluses and minuses, whatcha think? - 1/28/2015 5:37:55 PM   
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