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I think I'll stick with my Gold Dots or SXT.

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On the plusses side, they would be better for home defense than some of the stuff clowns have out there (particularly if there are others in the house). And they are more personal than drones, and you wont have to shoot up so many rounds.

Minus side, cops are going to have a rougher time of it at traffic stops.

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FYI: Those bullets would not do crap against an Adeptus Astartes outside of his power armor. Care to guess how well it would do with his armor on?

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FYI: Those bullets would not do crap against an Adeptus Astartes outside of his power armor. Care to guess how well it would do with his armor on?

It's nice to see that you bring as much reality to this gun related thread that you bring to all the others in which you participate.

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On the plusses side, they would be better for home defense than some of the stuff clowns have out there (particularly if there are others in the house). And they are more personal than drones, and you wont have to shoot up so many rounds.

Minus side, cops are going to have a rougher time of it at traffic stops.

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This whole thread is a fantasy!

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An you are not the shining example of 'good posting' to be opening your mouth either....

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One thinks that the shear-split-spatter will be less penetrative (thru walls and studs and the like) than a typical 9mm, .40 or .45 metal jacketed slug.

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One thinks that the shear-split-spatter will be less penetrative (thru walls and studs and the like) than a typical 9mm, .40 or .45 metal jacketed slug.

From your link they state it "Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing". On the video, the 9mm defeats 2 sections of cinder block. With that kind of penetration I would think it less safe for defense other than out in the woods or somewhere that penetration wouldn't be an issue. Even now I wouldn't use any .357 magnum for home defense or carry in public. I use a 158 grain .38 +P hollow point or a magnum safety slug. There was no mention of soft body armor.

It'll probably make it to the status of "Cop Killer Bullet" before it's even out on the market

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Interesting gimmick bullet. It will probably start huge debates like Glaser safety slugs and KTW Ammunition did years ago.

Glaser was a bullet that exploded on impact. The intent was bullet that would not penetrate a wall on a miss and hit someone not involved in the shooting. It rapidly got fantasized to being "assassin ammunition" as it left little or nothing to get a ballistic print from.. rather like a shotgun.

K TW was a titanium clad bullet tha would crack an engine block even in 9mm caliber. It had a distinctive thick teflon coating as the titanium would wear out a barrel in short order it was so hard. Quickly it was fantasized into being an "armor piercing bullet" and ended up in many states banning "teflon coated ammunition" even though the teflon coating was to protect the barrel and had nothing to do with its penatrating capability.

I'd wager that these "shredder" bullets will be demonized in short order. Generically it is a high tech version of a beehive round.

By the Geneva convention; the military uses hard ball ammunition. Tumble rounds, beehive rounds, hollow points, et al. are banned by treaty for the military. i mention this because I've had someone try to tell me it was illegal to use hard ball ammunition because that was military ammunition. <guffaw> I do shoot hard ball ammunition for target practice as it is much cheaper.

Hollow point ammunition and variants like that fragmenting round in the link were originally designed to prevent penetration through a target to hit unplanned targets on the other side. The expansion prevents exiting the body. This is a good thing for hunting and instances where you want one shot to be deadly. The amount of tissue damage ismuch higher than simple ammunition.

The caliber of the ammunition is often for different purposes. Most police forces use a 9mm (.38 is about identical in the bullet ballistics) and most military use a larger caliber .45 or 10mm. A 9mm tends to put a survivable hole in a target. A .45 knocks the target down several feet back from where it was. This is a big difference if you are talking military in a combat situation. (This isn't a place for debate between kinetic energy vs knockback momentum of a larger caliber.)

I'll take off my old rangemaster hat leftover from my military days and go back to reading all the opinions now.

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One thinks that the shear-split-spatter will be less penetrative (thru walls and studs and the like) than a typical 9mm, .40 or .45 metal jacketed slug.

From your link they state it "Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing". On the video, the 9mm defeats 2 sections of cinder block. With that kind of penetration I would think it less safe for defense other than out in the woods or somewhere that penetration wouldn't be an issue. Even now I wouldn't use any .357 magnum for home defense or carry in public. I use a 158 grain .38 +P hollow point or a magnum safety slug. There was no mention of soft body armor.

It'll probably make it to the status of "Cop Killer Bullet" before it's even out on the market

Hollow points, or any other round that avoids excessive penetration are always better for in town, let alone in house. Whether carrying my .38 special or my .45 acp I used hollow points for exactly that reason.