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Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 12:50:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		TOPEKA, Kan. - Kansas legislators are likely to consider allowing people to carry concealed firearms without requiring a state permit. Twenty-six of the Kansas Senate's 40 members introduced a bill Wednesday to end the permitting requirement. The lead sponsor is Majority Leader and Nickerson Republican Terry Bruce. Bruce said it makes sense to allow people to carry concealed guns without a permit because they already can carry firearms openly. He said the measure advances gun rights.

"We have had conceal carry on the books for about 10 years, and each year we relax some of the standards or some of the prohibitions where you can conceal carry, and we have had success with it," Bruce told 41 Action News. Bruce also said he believes it will be what he calls a "non-event" because he said criminals don't try to get the proper licenses anyway.

Critics said they think this is one step closer to turning Kansas into something more like the wild west.

Lawmakers last year prohibited cities and counties from restricting the open carrying of firearms, though state law didn't ban the practice. The state has issued concealed carry permits since 2007. Under the bill, people could still seek concealed-carry permits if they wanted to be able to carry their weapons in other states that recognize Kansas permits.

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Good way to get voters minds off the bad budgetary problems the state has, is to create something else for the citizens to focus their attention on. Worked for the Bush administration with those wars; why not the local Republicans in Kansas? Not my state, dont have to worry about it. Its on Red State Welfare already.

I dont have a problem with concealable weapons in the hands of those that go through the process and maintain their arms in a safe and secured manner. I do have a problem with the bold part that Mr. Bruce states. Subsequently, the focus for this thread. That Mr. Bruce feels that since criminals are not going to obey the law on concealable firearm permits, why should the good 'honest and law abiding' citizens of the state do the same?

Criminals in that state kill people; Should we remove murder from the books? They deal with all sorts of illegal drugs; should we remove those charges from the books as well? The point is: If there is a chance that a criminal could do something illegal, why force the good citizens to have to follow the law per Mr. Bruce's 'viewpoint'? Basically, why should that state have any sort of laws, when the criminals will just go and break them?

Long term, will this help that state? Hard to say honestly. Short term, its great political points for the GOP. The law is created so that Kansas citizens dont have to carry the permit in their wallets. Since a concealable permit takes a HUGE chunk of real estate in their wallet, right? Credit/debit cards were created so people didn't have to carry petty cash around; yet, most people have petty cash in their wallets with the credit/debit cards.


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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 12:55:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Critics said they think this is one step closer to turning Kansas into something more like the wild west.


And far be it from them to notice that effect has been the opposite.
PS the wild west wasn't even the wild west as they are referring to it.
To many movies.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 1:20:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		It feels like a silly law to myself. But I'm annoyed when a politicians makes a comment like Mr. Bruce. Since it shows how little they understand or appreciate laws. For someone that has his J.D. degree, I would expect a better viewpoint. Not necessarily a liberal viewpoint; but more educated viewpoint on laws.

Wild West to people means anarchy. Yes, there are many movies about the wild west; but there are more on wars and battles. After watching Saving Private Ryan in the first opening scene; I would not want to be on that beach! The problem with wild west and war movies from the '70s' compared to the last decade is the realism. The actual wild west had 1/100,000 the laws currently on the books. Could modern society survive using just the laws from the 'wild west'? Very doubtful.

Since most people dont understand....WHY....a law is created. Put simply, its either to promote good behavior or mitigate negative behavior. Doesn't always work; but that is why there is a penalty usually attached to the law; to give it some 'teeth'. The laws from the 'Wild West' were few and far in between. But society in the 19th century was very simple compared to 2015. They didnt have to deal with motor vehicles, banking systems, and dare I say it, firearm technology. That we as a society (made up of individuals) have learned from mistakes and events, to put laws into effect.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 1:42:19 PM   
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It feels like a silly law to myself. But I'm annoyed when a politicians makes a comment like Mr. Bruce. Since it shows how little they understand or appreciate laws. For someone that has his J.D. degree, I would expect a better viewpoint. Not necessarily a liberal viewpoint; but more educated viewpoint on laws.

Wild West to people means anarchy. Yes, there are many movies about the wild west; but there are more on wars and battles. After watching Saving Private Ryan in the first opening scene; I would not want to be on that beach! The problem with wild west and war movies from the '70s' compared to the last decade is the realism. The actual wild west had 1/100,000 the laws currently on the books. Could modern society survive using just the laws from the 'wild west'? Very doubtful.

Since most people dont understand....WHY....a law is created. Put simply, its either to promote good behavior or mitigate negative behavior. Doesn't always work; but that is why there is a penalty usually attached to the law; to give it some 'teeth'. The laws from the 'Wild West' were few and far in between. But society in the 19th century was very simple compared to 2015. They didnt have to deal with motor vehicles, banking systems, and dare I say it, firearm technology. That we as a society (made up of individuals) have learned from mistakes and events, to put laws into effect.


And liberalizing carry laws has never led to anarchy, or an increase in such, my point still stands.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 2:16:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

It feels like a silly law to myself. But I'm annoyed when a politicians makes a comment like Mr. Bruce. Since it shows how little they understand or appreciate laws. For someone that has his J.D. degree, I would expect a better viewpoint. Not necessarily a liberal viewpoint; but more educated viewpoint on laws.

Wild West to people means anarchy. Yes, there are many movies about the wild west; but there are more on wars and battles. After watching Saving Private Ryan in the first opening scene; I would not want to be on that beach! The problem with wild west and war movies from the '70s' compared to the last decade is the realism. The actual wild west had 1/100,000 the laws currently on the books. Could modern society survive using just the laws from the 'wild west'? Very doubtful.

Since most people dont understand....WHY....a law is created. Put simply, its either to promote good behavior or mitigate negative behavior. Doesn't always work; but that is why there is a penalty usually attached to the law; to give it some 'teeth'. The laws from the 'Wild West' were few and far in between. But society in the 19th century was very simple compared to 2015. They didnt have to deal with motor vehicles, banking systems, and dare I say it, firearm technology. That we as a society (made up of individuals) have learned from mistakes and events, to put laws into effect.


And liberalizing carry laws has never led to anarchy, or an increase in such, my point still stands.


The USA is already in anarchy, just look at how many gun deaths there are per year compared to ANY other first world country. The only reason you dont see it as anarchy is because you've gotten used to it and think it's the "norm".

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 3:08:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

It feels like a silly law to myself. But I'm annoyed when a politicians makes a comment like Mr. Bruce. Since it shows how little they understand or appreciate laws. For someone that has his J.D. degree, I would expect a better viewpoint. Not necessarily a liberal viewpoint; but more educated viewpoint on laws.

Wild West to people means anarchy. Yes, there are many movies about the wild west; but there are more on wars and battles. After watching Saving Private Ryan in the first opening scene; I would not want to be on that beach! The problem with wild west and war movies from the '70s' compared to the last decade is the realism. The actual wild west had 1/100,000 the laws currently on the books. Could modern society survive using just the laws from the 'wild west'? Very doubtful.

Since most people dont understand....WHY....a law is created. Put simply, its either to promote good behavior or mitigate negative behavior. Doesn't always work; but that is why there is a penalty usually attached to the law; to give it some 'teeth'. The laws from the 'Wild West' were few and far in between. But society in the 19th century was very simple compared to 2015. They didnt have to deal with motor vehicles, banking systems, and dare I say it, firearm technology. That we as a society (made up of individuals) have learned from mistakes and events, to put laws into effect.


And liberalizing carry laws has never led to anarchy, or an increase in such, my point still stands.


The USA is already in anarchy, just look at how many gun deaths there are per year compared to ANY other first world country. The only reason you dont see it as anarchy is because you've gotten used to it and think it's the "norm".
Tell me...which of the following best describes the U.S.?

an·ar·chy
\ˈa-nər-kē, -ˌnär-\
noun
: a situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws
Full Definition
1 a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a :absence or denial of any authority or established order
b :absence of order :disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>
http://i.word.com/idictionary/anarchy

Reallllly curious as to what your answer is.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 3:14:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

It feels like a silly law to myself. But I'm annoyed when a politicians makes a comment like Mr. Bruce. Since it shows how little they understand or appreciate laws. For someone that has his J.D. degree, I would expect a better viewpoint. Not necessarily a liberal viewpoint; but more educated viewpoint on laws.

Wild West to people means anarchy. Yes, there are many movies about the wild west; but there are more on wars and battles. After watching Saving Private Ryan in the first opening scene; I would not want to be on that beach! The problem with wild west and war movies from the '70s' compared to the last decade is the realism. The actual wild west had 1/100,000 the laws currently on the books. Could modern society survive using just the laws from the 'wild west'? Very doubtful.

Since most people dont understand....WHY....a law is created. Put simply, its either to promote good behavior or mitigate negative behavior. Doesn't always work; but that is why there is a penalty usually attached to the law; to give it some 'teeth'. The laws from the 'Wild West' were few and far in between. But society in the 19th century was very simple compared to 2015. They didnt have to deal with motor vehicles, banking systems, and dare I say it, firearm technology. That we as a society (made up of individuals) have learned from mistakes and events, to put laws into effect.


And liberalizing carry laws has never led to anarchy, or an increase in such, my point still stands.


The USA is already in anarchy, just look at how many gun deaths there are per year compared to ANY other first world country. The only reason you dont see it as anarchy is because you've gotten used to it and think it's the "norm".
Tell me...which of the following best describes the U.S.?

an·ar·chy
\ˈa-nər-kē, -ˌnär-\
noun
: a situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws
Full Definition
1 a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a :absence or denial of any authority or established order
b :absence of order :disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>
http://i.word.com/idictionary/anarchy

Reallllly curious as to what your answer is.

He isn't even old enough to have graduated from college, and views everything through the prism of his contempt for the US. Add to this that he only gits information from left wing sources.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 3:16:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

It feels like a silly law to myself. But I'm annoyed when a politicians makes a comment like Mr. Bruce. Since it shows how little they understand or appreciate laws. For someone that has his J.D. degree, I would expect a better viewpoint. Not necessarily a liberal viewpoint; but more educated viewpoint on laws.

Wild West to people means anarchy. Yes, there are many movies about the wild west; but there are more on wars and battles. After watching Saving Private Ryan in the first opening scene; I would not want to be on that beach! The problem with wild west and war movies from the '70s' compared to the last decade is the realism. The actual wild west had 1/100,000 the laws currently on the books. Could modern society survive using just the laws from the 'wild west'? Very doubtful.

Since most people dont understand....WHY....a law is created. Put simply, its either to promote good behavior or mitigate negative behavior. Doesn't always work; but that is why there is a penalty usually attached to the law; to give it some 'teeth'. The laws from the 'Wild West' were few and far in between. But society in the 19th century was very simple compared to 2015. They didnt have to deal with motor vehicles, banking systems, and dare I say it, firearm technology. That we as a society (made up of individuals) have learned from mistakes and events, to put laws into effect.


And liberalizing carry laws has never led to anarchy, or an increase in such, my point still stands.


The USA is already in anarchy, just look at how many gun deaths there are per year compared to ANY other first world country. The only reason you dont see it as anarchy is because you've gotten used to it and think it's the "norm".

You have watched too many Rutger Hauer movies.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 3:49:12 PM   
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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 3:50:30 PM   
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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 3:56:14 PM   
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Nope, I just pay attention to world events

Not very well because I don't live in the country you claim to know I do.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 4:19:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, seems like someone isn't familiar with geography then. In that case maybe you should go back to school for something a little more substantive than history

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 4:25:07 PM   
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Wow, seems like someone isn't familiar with geography then. In that case maybe you should go back to school for something a little more substantive than history

Wow that is such a stupid comment. You would be amazed at how much you don't know.

PS
I aced all my geography courses.
Since you don't seem to know this you learn geography when you learn history.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 4:27:34 PM   
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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 4:49:19 PM   
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Well considering the abysmal state of American education, it doesn't surprise that they let almost anyone get a passing grade, even the ones who probably didn't deserve it

And of course you have checked out every University in America.
I always expect childish comments from you and I am never disappointed.
And since you claimed we have anarchy who's national legislature was attacked earlier this year, that's right the great white north.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 5:00:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lol, I only post childish remarks because they're the only thing people with thick skulls seem to comprehend, complex words often get the small minded angry and frustrated, didn't want that to happen

And I'm glad you pointed out the one attack which resulted in one man dead which made international news, and yet your infallible memory seems to forget the hundreds of mass shootings your own country has each year which don't make the news because they're so common, reporting on them seems rather redundant. You people are so blind to what's happening around you that you grasp at straws to make yourselves seem oh so important and superior. Like the dude in captain america said "Arrogance isn't an inherently american trait, but you people do it better than anyone."

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 5:14:19 PM   
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Lol, I only post childish remarks because they're the only thing people with thick skulls seem to comprehend, complex words often get the small minded angry and frustrated, didn't want that to happen

And I'm glad you pointed out the one attack which resulted in one man dead which made international news, and yet your infallible memory seems to forget the hundreds of mass shootings your own country has each year which don't make the news because they're so common, reporting on them seems rather redundant. You people are so blind to what's happening around you that you grasp at straws to make yourselves seem oh so important and superior. Like the dude in captain america said "Arrogance isn't an inherently american trait, but you people do it better than anyone."

Wrong again, there are not hundreds of mass shootings in this country, again you only listen to far left news sources or you misinterpret what you here.
Still it is your country and not mine that is so broken down that nutcases attack seats of government.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 5:18:39 PM   
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what???


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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 5:26:51 PM   
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Lol, I only post childish remarks because they're the only thing people with thick skulls seem to comprehend, complex words often get the small minded angry and frustrated, didn't want that to happen

And I'm glad you pointed out the one attack which resulted in one man dead which made international news, and yet your infallible memory seems to forget the hundreds of mass shootings your own country has each year which don't make the news because they're so common, reporting on them seems rather redundant. You people are so blind to what's happening around you that you grasp at straws to make yourselves seem oh so important and superior. Like the dude in captain america said "Arrogance isn't an inherently american trait, but you people do it better than anyone."

More to the point I do not live in a place where anarchy reigns you, in you infinite wisdom based on second and third had information, no doubt from sources that hate the US, know nothing about it and speak only from your own bias.

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RE: Kanasas to make it easier to have concealable weapons - 1/23/2015 5:28:31 PM   
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"hundreds of mass shootings we have each year?"

what???



Even an anti gun nut like Bloomberg doesn't make a stupid claim like that.
Cut him some slack though, he isn't old enough to know better.

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